Gel vs Bio sculpture

[kirstiemb]

Hi, I am quite new to this and I am looking in to training in gel nails. Should I choose a general gel nail course or invest in learning bio sculpture? I realise bio sculpture is more expensive both for the course and to buy but would it be money well spent? Any advice?

[Missy G]

There are two types of gel, hard and soft.Bio is a soft gel,it maybe not strong enough for all clients,Id either do both or just a hard gel,unless your just after a gel for colours,then Bio is the one,if thats any help.

[kirstiemb]

HI
Thanks for that, but that is my problem, I do want to use colour but obviously I do need one that would be strong.

[Tracey Park]

Then I would go for a buff of gel course there are many around and then if you want to do colours later on you can do a conversion with one of the soak off companys.

Have you not thought of liquid and powder as that is another option or are definate about gel.

[sodabubble]

Then I would go for a buff of gel course there are many around and then if you want to do colours later on you can do a conversion with one of the soak off companys.

Have you not thought of liquid and powder as that is another option or are definate about gel.


also enamels last much longer over enhacements.....but I have to confess if CND ever did coloured gels like bio I would cry with happiness! :)

[kirstiemb]

Well as I said before, I am new to nails!! I've done my NVQ level 2 beauty but want to move in to nail extensions. I thought gel was the way to go but maybe not?

[Chameleon]

Well as I said before, I am new to nails!! I've done my NVQ level 2 beauty but want to move in to nail extensions. I thought gel was the way to go but maybe not?
If you want to do Gel,and want a stong gel that will buff off,i would go for Brisa or akzentz.....but there are so many gels i know it can be mind boggling.:lol:

[kirstiemb]

Does buffing the gel off not ruin the nails?

[Chameleon]

Does buffing the gel off not ruin the nails?
No not at all hun,if anything it does the reverse:)

I buffed off brisa myself after i had it applied from a fellow colleauge.....i know that was naughty,but as a nail technician,i was shown how to....i used a 180 and 240 grit,and left a sliver of gel over the natural nail to let it grow out,and there was no damage whatsoever....it was such a dream to file off,and this was a qualm i faced when deliberating a file off gel....:)

This was with Brisa....i could not fault it:)

[kirstiemb]

Thanks for the advice!! I have contacted the egde training centre that is near me, do you know anything of them?

[lilly]

calgel is a soak off and is VERY strong on nno tips and sculpts

[Missy G]

I could be wrong I think there is more demand for acrylic,when I done my Bio course I was getting nothing but calls for acrylic,I was kicking myself as Id just spent out all this doe on Bio and people just wanted acrylic...but saying that some dont like it and ask for gel.

I think its a good idea in the long run to be trained in gel and acrylic,my next job is to get trained in a stronger gel aswell, as I would like to be able to offer this too,as I feel sometimes Bio isnt strong enough for everybody.:confused:

[lilly]

i have used both and calgel i find is tuns stronger than bio imo, i stopped using acrylic cos the smell made me feel really sick !

[kirstiemb]

Ok, thanks. Perhaps I should do this course at The Edge for the hard gels first and see what the demand is like. I know they do acrylic there too but I didn't realise it was in demand as much as gels.

[kirstiemb]

I just looked on the calgel site and there isn't a training centre anywhere near me!! Typical!:cry:

[lilly]

oh no :eek: i know when i did my training ( at luton ) a couple of the girls stayed over because the training centre is very close to luton airport (where they got a coach too) they stayed at the abis (sp) airport hotel hth

[Classy Claws]

also enamels last much longer over enhacements.....but I have to confess if CND ever did coloured gels like bio I would cry with happiness! :)

CND .. DO coloured gels just like bio, the only thing with the BIRSA is you mix it your self, you get a mixing guide and can mix what ever colour you want, so in essence they are the same (buff off thou with CND)

and for the post up further that says Bio may not be strong enough for all clients.. they have a new range of builder gels out ( I am currently looking into doing training with them and have a demo nail on ) that are just as strong as L&P or Brisa, and I am for one, extreamly hard on my nails.

[Missy G]

Aint it always the way , I think sometimes you end up doing a course just for the sake its just down the road from you.Ive looked at loads of courses and thought bugger that im not going all that way!!:irked:

[Zingara]

and for the post up further that says Bio may not be strong enough for all clients.. they have a new range of builder gels out ( I am currently looking into doing training with them and have a demo nail on ) that are just as strong as L&P or Brisa, and I am for one, extreamly hard on my nails.

Glad you said this hun and you are finding it to be the case. Yes, when Bio first came out, it wasn't great over tips or on very long nails, but it has come such a long way since.

Bio is a soft gel, and as such it is flexible, but strong. Thats the beauty of it - its durability! I've used and worn L&P and hard gels and they are perfect for some clients, but for me as a client and tech, Bio is great, because it absorbs the bangs and knocks I or my clients give it!

Ive had far less client 'breakages' with Bio than with any other system! And for those that prefer to remove with their teeth (there will always be those!)...it does far less damage to the nail as it comes away as the stresses from the rigidity of other sytems aren't as great. That said....if a client is even half way good at looking after their nails it never ever lifts!

[kirstiemb]

Oh no, now I'm confused! I don't really want to pay for two courses but want to be able to offer what is best for my clients. I love the colour range of bio sculpture.

[Missy G]

Id be interested to know if these need builder gels are included in your kit when you book the training,or do you still get the old style gels?and do you have to be trained in these new gels to use them?If Bio dont send this info out to us how are we supposed to know about it.?

[Zingara]

Oh no, now I'm confused! I don't really want to pay for two courses but want to be able to offer what is best for my clients. I love the colour range of bio sculpture.

Yep, the colour range is amaxing...I believe its more or less 100 colours now!

[oey]

Id be interested to know if these need builder gels are included in your kit when you book the training,or do you still get the old style gels?and do you have to be trained in these new gels to use them?If Bio dont send this info out to us how are we supposed to know about it.?

By these new gels I take it you mean the 'S' gel (which has been out about 2 years) and the new 'free edge gel' which has recently been launched. the 's' gel has been included in the gel training since it was launched and the new 'free edge gel' is being included in the sculpting training with effect from Feb 08 I believe.

[beautynails]

Oh no, now I'm confused! I don't really want to pay for two courses but want to be able to offer what is best for my clients. I love the colour range of bio sculpture.
One product will never suit all clients. To offer the best for each client you need to be able to offer choices.
I use CND L&P, Brisa and Calgel.
You will have to pay for way more then 2 courses if you want to be good. You just need to decide on what your starter course will be.

[Missy G]

Thanks thats fine I am already using the S gel,I am aware of the new sculpting gel,which Ive heard is very good,I was made to think there were other new gels out too.The really strong demo nail must of been done by this new sculpting gel I assume.:confused:

[oey]

Thanks thats fine I am already using the S gel,I am aware of the new sculpting gel,which Ive heard is very good,I was made to think there were other new gels out too.The really strong demo nail must of been done by this new sculpting gel I assume.:confused:

Dont know of any other new 'builder' gel. I believe that the formulation of the clear gel may change later on in the year (which Bio in the UK dont know anything about :rolleyes:) but there is nothing definite on this yet.

Where did you hear about a new 'builder' gel?

[Missy G]

It was in the reply above from classy claws,Im wondering if the demo she had done was with the new sculpting gel.

[Zingara]

I think it must be Free Ege gel and S-gel....i tend to keep my on the international press for Bio Sculpture and the next new gel is a re-formulation of the clear gel....expected later this year (although like T says above....shame Bio Uk don't read their own press reports......my distributor denied all knowledge, yet Elmien Scholtz (Bio Sculpture CEO worldwide) has been giving press interviews about it!:eek:

[kirstiemb]

Does anyone have any views on whether I should do the bio sculpture course first? I have already contacted them and I am waiting for some further information. They said I should do the tip course first as I haven't done this yet. I have also contacted another training company The Egde, they have offered me one on one training for their gel nails but they do not have many colours. They said that they are a hard gel.

[Zingara]

Bio Sculpture is way ahead of The Edge - in my opinion (and there will be others differ).

Thing is, The Edge is just sold to anyone at most wholesalers without training....whereas Bio is only available to Bio trained techs. Also you can only acheive P&W's or natural nail with The Edge, you can acheive this and all the colours from Bio. I would say Bio first, as you can do more.

[kirstiemb]

Thank you, I did wonder. I have only ever had bio sculpture in myself but just didn't know anything else about what was around.

[kirstiemb]

Hi
I know we talked about this last night but I'm still confused!! I've got my NVQ level 2 beauty, but because of a joint problem I cannot continue with it, but I am ok to do nails. I have a studio above my garage and my plan is to use this to do nails. Would I get away with just doing bio sculpture? I'm not looking for a full time income just to do it during the day whilst the kids are at school and maybe a couple of evenings.

[kirstiemb]

Hi
I've got my NVQ level 2 beauty, but because of a joint problem I cannot continue with it, but I am ok to do nails. I have a studio above my garage and my plan is to use this to do nails. Would I get away with just doing bio sculpture? Or would it be advisable to learn other systems too? If so, which one should I do first?
I'm not looking for a full time income just to do it during the day whilst the kids are at school and maybe a couple of evenings.

[kirstiemb]

Forgot to mention I haven't done any courses in gel/acrylics yet, I'm just wondering which would be best to do first. Does anyone have any advice?

[kirstiemb]

Hi, sorry to go on but does anyone have any ideas, I don't want to make any expensive mistakes!!!!

[Missy G]

Why are you set on doing Bio,if you go to Cnd your nearest one is in maidenhead,you can learn acrylic and gel there,there are also lots of other courses you can do too to follow on after,to make you a better nail tech.
If I was in your shoes Id defently go with them,theyve had some great feedback on this sight,proberbly the best.:)

[kirstiemb]

ok thanks, i'll look in to it.