While assesment, moderation and re training is a fantastic step to take you cant buy or train experience. I am finding there seems to be loads of trainers out there whom are fairly new to the treatments that they are then becoming trainers.

Having said all that its back down to the old regulation nag isn't........... lol

I think you find this with a lot of companies fairly new to the industry, they get over excited when some one sings their praises and the next thing you know that person becomes "head trainer" when their only real qualification is enthusiasm for a new product they have found. Sad state of affairs really isn't it?.

I couldn't agree more...

There are many companies as well as individuals that seemingly purport to be trainers or offering training and use these terms in advertising to pull in customers when in fact they are far from accredited,offer minimal training and no recognised certification which facilitates adequate insurance cover to those that have supposedly been "trained".

I think it highly unethical for individuals or companies to advertise "training" in their marketing campaigns when in fact they mean either "demonstration,product awareness or mentoring"

The label on the tin should be clear and precise as to what you will find inside...not withstanding that it goes completely against trading standards and could well end up getting the individual or company into deep trouble.

I think you are right - experience is very important, but so are other factors.
If you feel confident about a certain treatment and are contemplating to train others in this you should speak to some companies but be honest about your qualifications, experience and how much effort you can and want to put into it.
There is no point in making out that you are experienced for years and know what you are doing when you have only recently learned the skills yourself or have not even had the training yourself.

Some companies are expecting a lot and will want to see a lot of qualification and enthusiasm as they are putting the training of their product in "your hands" - no matter what training it is or how small or large the area is you are going to cover.

You hear of trainers that have had limited or no training or have even been trained "on the go" without appropriate assessment of their skills, qualifications or capabilities and its hard to imagine that such "trainers" will have enough knowledge to pass on their know how, skills and experience.

Fundamental training and knowledge is the most important along with enthusiasm and the will to make things work and not give up at the first hurdle. Experience will come over time and cannot be forced - even though some are quicker in taking something new in than others - but only with the right training can you get the right experience (if you are doing the treatments wrong and gain experience this way - what good is the experience or does it actually make matters worse?)

If you are interested in becoming a trainer have a look and see which treatments you like and would like to teach others and then you can find out what qualifications you would need to teach this

I have done 2 teaching/training city and guilds courses, they are easy enough do access and do, but as its hard to get the next step the 7404 without being employed as a teacher, i want to use my training skills and train people, but i wouldnt know how to go about that self employed?
anyone know?? do i contact the company with the products/equipment i want to train with??

Is that what you mean noodles, you want to train people for a certain treatment?like st.tropez, or creative nails?

A good starting point is to contact companies that have products you have an interest in and simply ask them if they have any vacancies in your area and what qualifications are needed to apply.

Make sure you ask if /what is the "in house training" that would be offered to you and what form of accreditation certification you will receive.

HTH

Spot on!

I couldn't disagree with you more on this one Collin. Here's why:-

Although my courses are in the process of being accredited, I don't really want to do so, I just feel pressured into it but that's another thread.

ALL........and I mean ALL of my students that come to me have trained on accredited courses and a lot of them couldn't wax if their life depended on. Mentoring or training.......call it what you like, but the results are in the end product. If they go away being a better waxer then job done.

As far as it being unethical, I've heard many many stories of therapists being told that they can be a trainer for individual companies, regardless of whether they're capable or not. I think that this is what this thread is really about........reading between the lines.

Sorry Noodles, to bring this back on track. To become a trainer, you either train as a trainer in your particular field, or you excel at what you do and have your own technique, and then develop your own training courses. xxx

IMO, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to be taught how to read from a script and pass that information onto others. In many jobs that I've done, I've seen this happen and it's boring.

A good trainer is someone who KNOWS what they're doing inside out and can only be seen to be improving and passing that invaluable knowledge over to those they teach. Someone who has a passion for doing what they do.

I'm going to be honest here, yes I recently became a trainer for Tantick, and I haven't been tanning for years, but I do have a flare for teaching and am enthusiastic about what I teach and what I enjoy as I have a passion for the industry.

Lets be honest (and I'll probably get slated here)..... it doesn't take much to spray tan someone, and you can't get it really really wrong and hurt someone.

Other things you can. Waxing should be taught correctly by someone with lots of experience, as should Semi-permanent Eyelash Extensions, Massage, Nails etc.

My dream is to have my own nail academy, but I've already spoken to Samantha and been told I'm not allowed one yet!! I need to keep going with my training and get excellent so I'm an asset to the company. If I did it now I'd probably send them under!

Its not just a case of reading from a script tho is it, if that was all teaching was then perhaps my partner wouldnt have needed 4 years at uni to train as a teacher when she is after all, reading from a script (curriculum)??!!!

There is the whole side of delivering, planning, assessing ...blah blah but I wont go into that.

Enthusiasm and the ability to be able to do something really well is good, dont get me wrong its a good quality to have. But there are a whole load of other things that are needed too. As I said earlier experience counts for alot, you need to know a whole lot more than how to do something and do it well. To be able to recognise and in some cases even predict where a trainee may go wrong, and why and then therefore how to correct that, not only all that but to be able to put all that into words or demonstration in a way that the trainee understands.

When I learnt nails I was stunned at the stuff Diane could tell I had been doing wrong at home, even without seeing me do it, and then explain to me how that would affect my work and what problems it may lead to and then how to overcome it. And thats not mentioning the zillion other random tips she gave me (I still always carry my gelbond around in a little tuppaware container padded out with couch roll!!!LOL)

We are all quick to say that our industry should be regulated and moan on about NSS and the other like one man dodgey bands, me included. I therefore think its incorrect to say "its not rocket science to spray tan" while you're quite correct it is not rocket science, NOT if you know what your doing and have been taught well yourself and have spent the time practicing as with any skill. However it is a skill and technique thats needs mastering just like any other, and the more experience you have whilst mastering the skill yourself, the better trainer you will be, if you go down that route. But how effectively YOU as a trainer DELIVER that course is a different matter!

All of course just my own opinion!!! lol

I do agree with you hun, maybe I worded it a bit incorrectly.

I've had people train me on things who have literally 'read off a script'. No eye contact, no enthusiasm, no nothing. All for big well known companies. It is down to how you deliver it 100%.

Especially because there is companies out there who title trainers only after having read something or having been demonstrated a product makes it so vital to make sure that training is done properly.

I have been at some trainings myself where you leave at the end of the class and think that was not worth the money!

It is not only what you learn as in Health and safety, background information, the actual skill, theory and practical (no matter which class you go to ) but also how it is taught and how much the trainer pays attention to his student to make sure the application/product etc is fully understood.

I agree that there is different levels of skill and understanding is needed for different products or training classes, however the fact remains the same that you simply cannot read a training class and be fit enough to write a training course yourself. Different training courses involve different levels and in all aspects you can unfortunately hurt someone whether it is nails, waxing, hair or tanning - If you dont know what you are doing you cannot perform a treatment correctly and therefore risk harming your client. Training is essential whatever treatment you are performing and to become a trainer you obviously have to have a certain level of skill and knowledge as well as understanding of the product, procedures and also due care for your students.

Which ever company you want to train for will be able to tell you what they require for you to be a trainer and if you are good at what you do then I am sure that you will enjoy the teaching element of it also.

Whatever the discipline that you are being trained in weather its something that can take 4 years (as I was)or something that can be done in a day training in what you are about to do is a must especially when it comes to undertaking a function on the paying general public.

In so far as the issue of brands is concerned ..well within the training is Incorporated "specific" product training which is developed to suit the "specific" culture of the brand and the most suitable means of application of that brands "specific" products.

Legislation is constantly changing and it is very much a responsibility of the training organisation to adapt it's training to suit and to ensure that all trainers are fully up to speed with those changes.

I agree scoobydoo, equally important to the training content and quality is the attitude and respect of the trainers, to the brand,the material and the trainees, before, during and after training.
If you think your students are mugs, you're in the wrong game....IMHO