Please if you are not a professional then be careful how you reply. - Page 2

Bagpuss · 28-08-07, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Vetty

So is it still the case that OTC products can be discussed in Chit Chat?? You know the 'has anyone tried this wrinkle cream?' etc. type of thread???

I hope we can as with this many women in one place its nice to share beauty tips and the such...

I think there is a line between professional and DIY/OTC.....that sometimes gets taken too serious.

If someone asks how do you plat hair...or other home styling then i don't think see why the answers should only come from the professional hairdressers....I can plat hair very well..

If someone asks about cuts/colours/perms then sure that should be left to professionals.

Likewise.......someone asks about nail enamel....you don't have to be a professional to paint your own nails...(otherwise we wouldn't retail it, would we)

So i think there is a line...and IMO the difference is common sense.

naturalnails · 28-08-07, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss

I hope we can as with this many women in one place its nice to share beauty tips and the such...

I think there is a line between professional and DIY/OTC.....that sometimes gets taken too serious.

If someone asks how do you plat hair...or other home styling then i don't think see why the answers should only come from the professional hairdressers....I can plat hair very well..

If someone asks about cuts/colours/perms then sure that should be left to professionals.

Likewise.......someone asks about nail enamel....you don't have to be a professional to paint your own nails...(otherwise we wouldn't retail it, would we)

So i think there is a line...and IMO the difference is common sense.

I agree this is common sense and that is why it is fine to have these discussions in the Chit Chat forum but I think the point is that while we can discuss things in a cafe with our mates about what works for them, it would be a different discussion if we went to a salon and were asking our hairdresser or beauty therapist.

I think that is the difference. If you had a nail client sitting in front of you at your nail table and she was chatting to her friend at the next table, how would we feel if they were discussing what is best for their nails and not including us or even contradicting us.

I hope that makes sense.

Vetty · 28-08-07, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss

I hope we can as with this many women in one place its nice to share beauty tips and the such...

I think there is a line between professional and DIY/OTC.....that sometimes gets taken too serious.

If someone asks how do you plat hair...or other home styling then i don't think see why the answers should only come from the professional hairdressers....I can plat hair very well..

If someone asks about cuts/colours/perms then sure that should be left to professionals.

Likewise.......someone asks about nail enamel....you don't have to be a professional to paint your own nails...(otherwise we wouldn't retail it, would we)

So i think there is a line...and IMO the difference is common sense.

That's what I was getting at Angie, and you've put it really well...... Common sense will hopefully rule!!

Sassy Hassy · 28-08-07, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Vetty

That's what I was getting at Angie, and you've put it really well...... Common sense will hopefully rule!!

Let's hope so!

Maybe just think if someone came on here and asked about stick on nails - this is not professional and should be in chit chat where anyone can reply with their experiences. However if someone is posting in the main forum where they really need professional help then leave it to the pro's - personal unqualified opinion and advice of what has worked for one individual is not what could work for another, and could in some cases do more harm than good!

Like I say it's not a question of imposing rules, it's about each of us showing respect for another's profession and letting the professionals do what they are good at.

(BTW I am crap at plaiting hair!!!)

becki x · 09-10-07, 10:21 AM

I have just looked in the hair forum and felt this thread needed bumping (even though it's a stickey lol ) iykwim

a.denning · 18-10-07, 12:20 AM

really good thread, however I have never given advice for HAIR or SKIN because I dont know the 1st thing about them! I mean I know how to pop my own hair up and make it look nice and also i can do my own make-up and so on... but what girl cant?? But I would never give advise on any subject on something that i am not qualified to, Nails are my thing and i just usually stay on that side of the site its not to oftern i stray over to the other parts unless i'm really bored and i have read all the threads on the Nail Site! Sorry for rambling i hope that i made sence?!

minky · 01-01-08, 10:01 PM

I am not too sure what the hair forum is for , what I mean is if you go to the nail geek section and want to know something its usually
professional to professional questions ,

but the hair section seems to be different.

There seems to be no professionals asking each other professional questions or advice ,

so could someone clarify ?

is it for professional to professional questions and answers like the nail geek section ?

or is it an advice column for all general hair questions ?

thank you in advance

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Bagpuss · 01-01-08, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by minky

I am not too sure what the hair forum is for , what I mean is if you go to the nail geek section and want to know something its usually
professional to professional questions ,

but the hair section seems to be different.

There seems to be no professionals asking each other professional questions or advice ,

so could someone clarify ?

is it for professional to professional questions and answers like the nail geek section ?

or is it an advice column for all general hair questions ?

thank you in advance

x

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Its for...

Professionals discussing all aspects of the hair industry

to be used as you would the Nails and Skin forums...HTH

Layla-Louise · 05-01-08, 05:49 PM

Everyones entilted to post a message on here even you think they are not profesionnal maybe to them-selves they are

oey · 05-01-08, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Layla-Louise

Everyones entilted to post a message on here even you think they are not profesionnal maybe to them-selves they are

Everybody is entitled to post but we have to draw the line when they are giving advice that could do more harm than good - i.e. incorrect advice to solve a clients problem. This is very damaging to all us professionals when this is done.

Layla-Louise · 05-01-08, 05:57 PM

But their loads of Beauty therapists/Hairdresers out there that dont do things as they should but we can't all feel responsible for other peoples actions even though its means when you say your occupation people can judge you. I just think you should only worry about yourself as long as what you do and believe is right thats the main thing

oey · 05-01-08, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Layla-Louise

But their loads of Beauty therapists/Hairdresers out there that dont do things as they should but we can't all feel responsible for other peoples actions even though its means when you say your occupation people can judge you. I just think you should only worry about yourself as long as what you do and believe is right thats the main thing

I agree that there therapist out there that dont do things they should but if somebody gave advice on here that was incorrect then I think we would be letting our industry down if we didnt give correct info out.

It doesnt have to be done in a negative way so no body would be offended and the person giving the advice would benefit from this too.

ValencianNails · 05-01-08, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Layla-Louise

Everyones entilted to post a message on here even you think they are not profesionnal maybe to them-selves they are

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Originally Posted by oey

I agree that there therapist out there that dont do things they should but if somebody gave advice on here that was incorrect then I think we would be letting our industry down if we didnt give correct info out.

It doesnt have to be done in a negative way so no body would be offended and the person giving the advice would benefit from this too.

Absolutely

The whole point of us asking that professionals reply to the Hair, Nail and Skin forums is so that we don't get too many 'opinion only' posts and not enough 'professional' replies... it's no good someone asking which volume developer to use with a certain brand of colour and to get someone answering them with the wrong information due to the fact that they 'dabble' in colouring but aren't qualified enough to give a correct and informative reply...

Here's what I consider to be the most important parts of Sassy's initial post on this thread...

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Originally Posted by Sassy Hassy

What I have noticed more and more is how non pro's are answering in other forums that they are not qualified in and giving advice that is from a consumer point of view and NOT a professional point of view. This is undermining everything that the professionals are trying to achieve; trying to educate people about the merits of salon v non-salon, and we the Mods are getting more and more complaints about it.

So please, whilst I know you are answering in the best of intentions, try and give advice in the forums you are trained in and leave the other areas that you aren't to those who are.

This thread is not intended to be in anyway telling people how they can and can't post, or trying to regiment the site, or makes it a site where it is full of rules and you can't do this that and the other. Neither is it pointing the finger at anyone as I am probably as guilty as the next person, but when we are hearing that Hair geeks, for example, won't use the Hair forum because well meaning untrained people are giving unqualified advice then I think it is time to get over the honeymoon period and get down to what this site is about - a forum for professionals.

Happy Geeking peeps

Babyd6 · 25-08-08, 04:57 PM

I orignaly came here because I was training to do nails however I found it hard. I'm trained in Holistic therapys I still continue to come here as I do not know of anywhere else to get advice that I need.

Kim Lawless · 25-08-08, 06:11 PM

I've been thinking about this a lot lately as there are professionals on here giving incorrect advice . It's not always so easy to jump in say 'actually you're wrong, because what ever way you wrap it up, we all take offence.

A way around it would be to say that it's from personal experience or 'in my opinion'.

My biggest gripe is when geeks copy and paste from Google and then try to pass it off as their own work. It's always soooo obvious that it isn't.