TPTW .....Jamie's Fowl Dinners - Page 2

Zingara · 22-07-08, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Katelisa

well im pretty sure any other carniverous animal wanting to eat meat wouldnt care where it came from...

True, but most of them weren't given conscience as part of their make-up....we, as humans, were. As the most intelligent life form on Earth (or supposedly - I can think of a few beings I question!) I personally feel that we should look after the well being of the animals below us in the ladder of life!

And as an aside, we aren't carnivores, we are omnivores.....

Just my opinion.....I totally respect that others have their's but did want to add my thoughts

min11 · 22-07-08, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Katelisa

apart from the foxes that eat the 'cheap chicken' out of peoples bins...

what im saying is they arent fussy, its meat to them, and they need it to survive.

This is true but wild animals also don't know any better.

I lay money on it if any of us went to a petting farm and the chickens were in a dark barn with so many in they couldn't see space on the ground most people would call the rspca. Same for the pigs and other animals. For me when I realised my food was being reared that way it mattered. Out of sight wasn't out of mind.

At the end of the day its up to the individual and their right to choose freely is their own be it free will, budget driven or simply a matter of not being concerned either way.

Kittensgotclaws · 22-07-08, 04:48 PM

I have always bought free range eggs and free range chicken, any cakes that we may have i make from scratch anyway,
I really do hope (though i cant see it happening) that supermarkets and bakery's stop using eggs etc from battery farmed hens.

At the end of the day we may eat animals but the animals deserve to live a healthy happy life before hand in a clean, free environment.

JANEY K · 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Zingara

And as an aside, we aren't carnivores, we are omnivores.....

Yes we humans are Omnivores Latin name omne all, everything from herbs plants meat .. vorare is to devour we eat both plants and animals as our primary food source.
Just my honest opinion to.. and i totally respect others that have theirs,but just wanted to add my thoughts

JackieMc · 03:25 PM

Here's one of my 'girls' - meet Pandora! She's SO glad she isn't being kept in a cage or cramped barn for her entire life.

adelekeegan1 · 22-07-08, 04:51 PM

I only have free range eggs and meat reared and kept in humane conditions and voted accordingly.

I haven't always been so careful in my choice but programmes like Jamie's and also Gordon Ramsay's are excellent at bringing the details to our attention.

I can appreciate that for those with a family to feed cost is going to be a factor, however I would personally eat slightly less and feel confident about what was on my plate.

hayls · 22-07-08, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by adelekeegan1

I can appreciate that for those with a family to feed cost is going to be a factor, however I would personally eat slightly less and feel confident about what was on my plate.

This is what we do Adele, as a family of 4 who all love meat, we do eat slightly less than we used to! But like Lyndsay says we have pretty much always eaten meat that has been reared in good humane conditions!
But....tbh, with so many more people eating free range and organic, the prices are slowly coming down! Thankgoodness!

1999judy · 22-07-08, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JackieMc

The two 'people' who clicked on "who cares.... it's just a chicken" should be ashamed of themselves. What an uncaring, selfish attitude to take about another of God's creatures!

Just because an animal is being reared for food doesn't give us the right to treat it inhumanely during it's lifetime.

I had already bought free range eggs for years when I saw Hugh & Jamie's programmes, but I was shocked at the conditions that the broiler birds were kept in and since then I have only ever eaten free range chicken, over here it costs me 17.00 Euro (about £13.50) for a large free range organic chicken from the farm shop and I easily get 5 meals for the two of us from that. As for eating out - I used to love KFC but won't go near it now, I won't have any chicken dishes from the Indian or Chinese take away, I won't eat any dishes that contain chicken, duck or turkey unless they are guaranteed free range. At least my conscience is clear when I'm eating meat.

I've actually gone a step further and now have four chickens of my own in my back garden, I can't wait until they start laying lovely fresh eggs for me.

For those who are interested in the welfare of the animals that they eat and were unaware of the 'life' those poor broiler chickens lead, you should also look into the factory farming of pigs - it's a disgrace, and while it's unpleasant to know about these things, I'd much rather know and make a conscious decision about the type of meat I am eating (I now only eat organic free range pork) than eat in ignorance of the suffering these animals have gone through at the hands of so called 'human beings'.

One of them was me Jackie

I can't lie.... I don't care, it's just a chicken to me and I've got bigger things in my life think about.
Honesty is always first and foremost with me as you may have guessed.

sj1973 · 22-07-08, 06:07 PM

I have not seen the programme but i have seen programmes about how badley treated animals are. When pigs are being carted off to be slaughtered,they have no drink or food for hours.

The one thing i want to ask is...how do you really know where your eggs and meat have come from. Did you see them packed? I watched something on telly about some supermarkets , and how their food is "fresh" and it is not. It may say organic and free range eggs,but are they?. This is where the supermarkets have us as we have no idea and thats wrong.

JackieMc · 22-07-08, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 1999judy

One of them was me Jackie

I can't lie.... I don't care, it's just a chicken to me and I've got bigger things in my life think about.
Honesty is always first and foremost with me as you may have guessed.

I'm sorry to hear that Judy, I appreciate you have an opinion, but it's not an attitude that I respect.

I believe we have a responsibility to provide care and comfort for the animals we raise for food, if it was a barnful of little puppies being treated in the same way there'd be a huge uproar, farm animals should be treated with no less respect, anything less is just pure selfishness. We all have "bigger things" to worry about, but why should the 'small things' be less important?

Apart from the humane aspect, I certainly wouldn't want to feed my family any meat that was brought up in conditions llike this:

1999judy · 22-07-08, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JackieMc

I'm sorry to hear that Judy, I appreciate you have an opinion, but it's not an attitude that I respect.

I believe we have a responsibility to provide care and comfort for the animals we raise for food, if it was a barnful of little puppies being treated in the same way there'd be a huge uproar, farm animals should be treated with no less respect, anything less is just pure selfishness. We all have "bigger things" to worry about, but why should the 'small things' be less important?

Apart from the humane aspect, I certainly wouldn't want to feed my family any meat that was brought up in conditions llike this:

I see your point mate but I have a responsibility to bring 3 children up alone. It doesn't bother me much as I live on pot noodles tbh. But I have just showed your pics to my boys and got no reaction. My eldest boy did ask will you eat Pandora? Or is it an egg thing only?? Do the eggs taste different?
His other question was "prove to me that any chicken I eat ISN'T brought up in these conditions? Do we get a step by step life history of each chicken?....I doubt it and probably a lot of people are paying more money for exactly the same thing with a different label"
He's a law student btw not a small child.

Zingara · 22-07-08, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sj1973

The one thing i want to ask is...how do you really know where your eggs and meat have come from.

For me....when it comes to eggs....I've seen the bottoms they are laid by! lol! And they are happy nice clean bottoms, in lots of space!

The chickens and ducks (I actually buy ducks egss more so at the mo) are pretty much next door, and often come and say hello! I actually save the shells and give them back to the farmer to re-feed back to the birds as this is great for their diet, and makes for the toughest eggs laid...you can't crack them with one hand!!

OK, meat is a bit more difficult....I'm one of those people who can't even look a rainbow trout in the eye before I eat it, never mind eye up a cow or pigs rump! But I buy from farms that i know care well for their animals, who have their own butcher and farmshop, and breathe the same fresh air as me daily! (The animals and the butcher's that is!)

And before I lived in an area with farms next door, I simply researched and bought in bulk whenever and wherever I could. We frequently went on weekends away with a big coolbox to go raiding the local farm shops!

sj1973 · 22-07-08, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Zingara

For me....when it comes to eggs....I've seen the bottoms they are laid by! lol! And they are happy nice clean bottoms, in lots of space!

The chickens and ducks (I actually buy ducks egss more so at the mo) are pretty much next door, and often come and say hello! I actually save the shells and give them back to the farmer to re-feed back to the birds as this is great for their diet, and makes for the toughest eggs laid...you can't crack them with one hand!!

OK, meat is a bit more difficult....I'm one of those people who can't even look a rainbow trout in the eye before I eat it, never mind eye up a cow or pigs rump! But I buy from farms that i know care well for their animals, who have their own butcher and farmshop, and breathe the same fresh air as me daily! (The animals and the butcher's that is!)

And before I lived in an area with farms next door, I simply researched and bought in bulk whenever and wherever I could. We frequently went on weekends away with a big coolbox to go raiding the local farm shops!

Your lucky to have farms near you hun....i dont know any in my area .

...i have no time to shop around if you know what i mean, so i have to make sure my supermarket gives me what it says it is.

I believed they did...until i see a programme about fresh meat and fish that had been on the floor,and beleive me...it was not fresh !!

As you can see from my avatar,i HATE any sort of animal abuse...i know i eat them ,but they still deserve a good live.

naturalnails · 22-07-08, 07:30 PM

Please dont let this thread degenerate into a personal attack. We must all respect other peoples views on issues like this.

I watched the Chicken Run programme and listened to one lady who would not be swayed, but she could still afford to have her nails done - but then who am I to dictate to anyone what their financial priorities should be.

sj1973 · 22-07-08, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by naturalnails

Please dont let this thread degenerate into a personal attack. We must all respect other peoples views on issues like this.

I watched the Chicken Run programme and listened to one lady who would not be swayed, but she could still afford to have her nails done - but then who am I to dictate to anyone what their financial priorities should be.

If that is for me and i have hurt somebodys feelings then i am sorry

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View Poll Results: Jamie's Fowl Dinners
Yes, I care about the welfare of the animal and will make a better choice in the future	35	77.78%
No ..... it's all about price, I don't care where it comes from, or how it's treated	0	0%
Maybe ..... I'd like to change, but the price prevents me	6	13.33%
Who Cares ......... it's just a chicken	4	8.89%
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