No training... smart or stupid? - Page 6

nikkirocco · 04-11-06, 10:47 AM

totally agree. I think if you are not qualified you should not be able to work in this industry. I myself have also found it difficult to find money for training in the past but i just waited until i had saved enough to do it. I think everyone working without qualifications give those people who are proffesional a bad name.

Mrs Geek · 04-11-06, 11:57 AM

Well we are a passionate bunch aren't we???

I think in order to do ANYTHING well, one must be taught something at some stage. To become lawyers, doctors... well really anything (and to be good) you have to be educated to get you there.

There will ALWAYS be those that are making the buck by doing half ass-ed backwards... BUT (and here is the cool thing)... you can tell them a mile off, from how they post, to what they say and their actions of what they do.

Yes they are the ones that give the rest of you passionate and educated teks a bad name. Yes it is annoying and Yes it isn't fair... but they will always be there.

I often find that when we worry so much about what everyone else is doing, we are not looking at what WE are doing. We need to worry about ourselves and make sure we are the educated ones because when we are actively dealing with our own lives and what goes on in our own backyard - we are helping our clients, making our money, selling our retail and making a living.

If we concentrate on our own businesses, we will grow them into something special and something we can be proud of. The ones who doing it half ass-ed backwards never go the distance, but those of us who do - DO!!!

geeg · 04-11-06, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrs Geek

I often find that when we worry too much about what everyone else is doing, we are not looking at what WE are doing.

We need to worry about ourselves and make sure we are the educated ones because when we are actively dealing with our own lives and what goes on in our own backyard - we are helping our clients, making our money, selling our retail and making a living.

If we concentrate on our own businesses, we will grow them into something special and something we can be proud of. The ones who doing it half ass-ed backward never go the distance, but those of us who do - DO!!!

You are just getting SO wise it is scaring me.
GOOD ADVICE PEEPS! Listen to it.

naturalnails · 04-11-06, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by geeg

You are just getting SO wise it is scaring me.
GOOD ADVICE PEEPS! Listen to it.

And I wonder where she learned that from LOL.

This is the advice I try to live by.

katherineiv · 04-11-06, 05:32 PM

Im on a nail course with VTCT at my college...the course runs from sep to march so hopefully i should be ok by then, but wouldnt dare work on any one if wasnt qualifed. Ive had people ask me to do them but said no, only friends and family to practice on.

Sorry to those people who have but cant see how these people can do these courses in 1 day..how can you learn all that in such a short time?
All my massage courses took me 2 years to be qualifed.

All the extra courses you have taken i wouldnt know so i will shut up

Vitochka · 08-11-06, 08:50 PM

Training & special education is VERY IMPORTANT!!!....& i will do it ...yeah....

as soon as i will save enough money,.. can't do anything..im a poor student & those trainngs cost so expencive in here

....i have NO profesional "nail" education

...& that is the main reason i'm not gonna do manicure to anyone besydes myself so far, think untrained tech can become a real danger & i don't wanna cause any trouble to anyone...the only thing i can calmly & with no shame offer to my friends is NailArt...playing with paints & polishes hopefully won't do any harm to anyone...But i really dreamming of becoming trained tech...& hope the nearest time my dream will come true....

Qutique · 08-11-06, 09:19 PM

I agree. It is stupid.

In my country, majority of the nail technicians here are not qualified, certified,licenced etc.

The were taught by watching other persons, and because it can be a lucrative profession, they set up shops every and anyway.

My school is the first to offer training in the field.

However, I think the major problem is where I live there are no set laws or regualtions stating that a person must be qualified to do nails. Which after attending school I realize that is a big issue.

I had my nails done by technicians here, but never knew that you had to specially trained because you are using chemicals.

On more than one occasion I have lost my whole nail on my finger :-(

On time, I hit my nail on the window and it cracked. I went to my nail technician the other day and I told her about it and instead of soaking it off so that it can heal, all she did was apply glue. It burned like hell!!! I was in pain for days until I got so upset and took it off my self. It was cracked until my flesh could be seen ewww.

All she did was say sorry.

Because I did not know how much was in stake before attending school I contiued to get my nails done by unprofessionals.

I promised myself that when I graduate I will be doing my own nails.

Here also, they kill the nail plate. They think that you have to file that nail down for the acrylic to adhere properly when all you have to do is remove the shine. Trust me.....I am so scared of them.

I can't wait to graduate, practice, and give them a run for their money......lol

oey · 10-11-06, 09:51 AM

Hi vicki

Welcome to the site.

Dont worry that you dont want to do any nails becuase of your short training. dont forget we all have to start somewhere.

Why dont you just have a go at one of your friends nails and see how you feel. You probably wont be pleased with the results but we never are. But what it does mean is that it will then become easier to do the next and then the next etc.

As regards the dipping powder system, not sure which one you were taught as there are a few, but the ones I know of have anti bacterial agents in them so should combat any concerns over spreading bacteria. As long as you have used anti bacterial products in your prep and do a thorough consultation you shouldnt have a problem there.

I know the first step is always a big one, but you will never get rid of that fear until you put your feet in the water!

Enjoy and have fun.

dingbat · 01:53 PM

I have to agree with everyone. I would not dream of doing anything on anyone without training.....I have a conscience. I trained at college and finished in June this year and I still worry that I might have done something wrong to cause damage. I too have a certificate and still feel that the nails I do are not good enough, I will keep on training and practicing because I want to be good at what I am trained for. The ones that don't care and have no training ....well what can I say except blar blar blar blar blar!!!!!!!!!!!!

dingbat · 10-11-06, 01:57 PM

Sorry to hear the problems you have had, you go and knock there socks off.......go for it!!! and good luck xxx

louiser · 10-11-06, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vickypoll

hi everyone i am new to this site but i really wanted to share my experience with you !!!

I have always been passionate about nails..... and recently decided that rather than playing around with my own i would invest my money and do it properly.

I am newly qualified ...... ha ha ha
thats right.... i find it funny because i have a certificate that tells me i can go out and do a set of gel acrylic or tip and dip nails on any client i wish obviously i need to have my insurance!! no problem i have my certificate and i have my insurance company the only thing is i dont want to do it i tell you why ..............

I went on a 2 day course thats right 2 days in that 2 days i was told not taught, how to apply a tip and how to dip a nail into some powder......
I was told how to put gel over a tip and how to put acrylic over a tip.......

I was not taught helth and safety, nail anatomy nail diseases how to apply product correctly filing techniques problems which may occur differences in products etc etc

I mearly applied ten tips to a real hand and dipped them into powder (common sense tell you bacteria can spread with so many nails being dipped into same powder) i applied gel to one tip just one and acrylic to another.
one looked like a horses hoof one looked like a ski slope and the other sunk in the middle, the middle of the nail being what ? i have no idea but i am qualified !!!!

Its a joke all these girls that think they know it all because they have attended this course and have passed !!!

I am angry because i would not dare putt a set of nails on my best friend simply because i cant !!
But in front of me i have a recognised certificate that tells me i can....

Out of the 12 girls on my course or should i say men in female bodies dressed in tracksuits and trainers swearing like troopers 11 of them left the course thinking that they had the experience to go and open a salon or be a mobile nail tec !!! ha ha ha ha ha

I am the only one who is feeling like this i am not an under confident person if i done something i was proud of i would show it off !! my work on this course was appauling i coulnt even look at the nails that i had completed they were that bad but in a funny kind of way.... yet i was told my work was good and practise would make perfect.

Two days to be a nail tech......... why bother working in tesco's or mac d s if you can pay out a few hundred quid and get a recognised certificate to say your a nail tech... why bother going to college for a few years to get some experience, it has made me sick.

I am 32 years old a mature mother with two children looking to train as a nail technician because its a passion not a hobby, i want to do as many courses as i can i want as much experience as i can get, and i want to be able to do it well not just ok, i want to be proud of my achievements, i want to stand up in front of a group of girls in 5 years time and say this is where i started and now i am a trainer.....

To many companies are giving girls the confidece to make them believe they are good at what they do when they simply know nothing!!!!
I am a prime example .... i achieved nothing but they say i am good.
I know these girls wont last long, but taking money off people to provide a service because they need a bob or two is not the approach in this industry and too many girls are doing it because they CAN .............

I know nothing but i am determined even more so to achieve what i have set out to do and i will do it i will be sucsessful and i will be a trainer....

I am now booked onto a course with NSI and intend to start again from the bottom and work my way up up up ....... but i will keep my old certificate so in years to come i can look back ..........

Who did you do your training with hun? x

gemsie1983 · 10-11-06, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vickypoll

hi everyone i am new to this site but i really wanted to share my experience with you !!!

I have always been passionate about nails..... and recently decided that rather than playing around with my own i would invest my money and do it properly.

I am newly qualified ...... ha ha ha
thats right.... i find it funny because i have a certificate that tells me i can go out and do a set of gel acrylic or tip and dip nails on any client i wish obviously i need to have my insurance!! no problem i have my certificate and i have my insurance company the only thing is i dont want to do it i tell you why ..............

I went on a 2 day course thats right 2 days in that 2 days i was told not taught, how to apply a tip and how to dip a nail into some powder......
I was told how to put gel over a tip and how to put acrylic over a tip.......

I was not taught helth and safety, nail anatomy nail diseases how to apply product correctly filing techniques problems which may occur differences in products etc etc

I mearly applied ten tips to a real hand and dipped them into powder (common sense tell you bacteria can spread with so many nails being dipped into same powder) i applied gel to one tip just one and acrylic to another.
one looked like a horses hoof one looked like a ski slope and the other sunk in the middle, the middle of the nail being what ? i have no idea but i am qualified !!!!

Its a joke all these girls that think they know it all because they have attended this course and have passed !!!

I am angry because i would not dare putt a set of nails on my best friend simply because i cant !!
But in front of me i have a recognised certificate that tells me i can....

Out of the 12 girls on my course or should i say men in female bodies dressed in tracksuits and trainers swearing like troopers 11 of them left the course thinking that they had the experience to go and open a salon or be a mobile nail tec !!! ha ha ha ha ha

I am the only one who is feeling like this i am not an under confident person if i done something i was proud of i would show it off !! my work on this course was appauling i coulnt even look at the nails that i had completed they were that bad but in a funny kind of way.... yet i was told my work was good and practise would make perfect.

Two days to be a nail tech......... why bother working in tesco's or mac d s if you can pay out a few hundred quid and get a recognised certificate to say your a nail tech... why bother going to college for a few years to get some experience, it has made me sick.

I am 32 years old a mature mother with two children looking to train as a nail technician because its a passion not a hobby, i want to do as many courses as i can i want as much experience as i can get, and i want to be able to do it well not just ok, i want to be proud of my achievements, i want to stand up in front of a group of girls in 5 years time and say this is where i started and now i am a trainer.....

To many companies are giving girls the confidece to make them believe they are good at what they do when they simply know nothing!!!!
I am a prime example .... i achieved nothing but they say i am good.
I know these girls wont last long, but taking money off people to provide a service because they need a bob or two is not the approach in this industry and too many girls are doing it because they CAN .............

I know nothing but i am determined even more so to achieve what i have set out to do and i will do it i will be sucsessful and i will be a trainer....

I am now booked onto a course with NSI and intend to start again from the bottom and work my way up up up ....... but i will keep my old certificate so in years to come i can look back ..........

I did exactly the same thing as you its really scarey isn't it that they let you do this.

I have just looked into doing a VTCT in Nail Extensions at college but because my 'qualification' and i use that term lightly!! isn't reconised then i cannot do the course and have to start with the manicure course.

I am more than happy to start from the bottom and work my way up, but i think it is awful that these companies charge an awful lot of money for a course that simply isn't up too scratch, i think that i have wasted nearly £400! And its shocking to think that girls that trained with me will be out there on the general public!

Sassy Hassy · 10-11-06, 02:57 PM

Can I just say that you are only ever qualified in something if you have actually sat a test - no matter what the subject matter. For example I could go on a 2 year A'level course, but unless I actually sit the exam I am only a course attendee. I only have the qualification if I sit the exam and pass it!

This however IS a big problem, and these people do often say you are qualified when clearly you aren't ... you are in effects still a trainee.

smiler13334 · 10-11-06, 04:48 PM

The courses that offer an 'attendance' certificate, give the impression the people have passed what they did. It doesn't!! all it tells a person is, they went there, stayed, and then went home afterwards. But you can get insurance with them (unless this has changed) and a trade card for buying the products.

It isn't just one area that needs looking into for this, like not being trained, it is a whole spectrum. One leading to another.

Nails are seen as easy money to the untrained. Which is very sad, as the damage that is caused is great.

Good thread!

nailzoo · 10-11-06, 05:02 PM

A bit of EDYOOKAYSHUN never goes astray!!

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