Question for educators?? - Page 2

pazzy · 29-12-07, 06:00 PM

I did a little college teaching for nails but I was at a total loss of what to do.

I basically can teach to do nails - no problem - but I couldnt assess (dont have the assesors award) .

I wanted to show them how to create nails worthy of a payment - but it was the assesments they had to get through - to me, that wasnt what being a nail tech was about.

Because I couldnt assess they didnt want me - but I had already decided I wasnt going back - I can put it down to one of the worst experiences ever.

Put me off teaching forever!!!

I hope that what I did contribute - helped the students in some way.

scattyfox · 29-12-07, 06:57 PM

At my college in southend we have to be working towards a teaching qualification and have 1 level higher in qualification to what it is we are teaching. Ive got my cert ed and my 7407 with city and guilds but i cannot assess as i didnt take that element, and this takes me into private training as well as Further ed and higher ed.

Private training places stipulate according to what courses they teach.

My hope Judy are that eventually the colleges will full up with us lot and then courses will get taught properly and we can educate the examining boards as well.

Retired · 30-12-07, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 1999judy

The thing that really bugs me is that a lot of college tutors have a very basic knowledge of the nail industry and how to create nails.
They can teach..YES.
Mine was a great hairdressing teacher.
Couldn't sculpt a set of nails though.. could only tip.
No detriment to the teacher but what gets me is that most students on a VTCT course were paying for it...not 16 year olds who had just left school.
It really is a shame that fully qualified educators can't teach in local colleges without this teaching diploma.

Crikey! How right you are! I took a VCTC course which cost me in excess of £1K (including my kit and uniform). However good our tutor was, her replacement (she left halfway through the course as she fell out with the college) didn't have a clue! In fact, during one assessment for sculpted nails she passed me saying: "don't worry, only do 2 nails because they are not used in the industry anyway". I rest my case!!!

Since then I have done courses with 2 reputable companies just to get better training. Again, at a cost of course. The colleges do really need to have a good shake up IMHO.

Cathie! · 30-12-07, 06:34 PM

There are some new qualifications coming in for teaching life long learning, I think these will surpass the 70's.... for FE and also schools when beauty, hair and nails are being taught at senior school....yes I think this will happen.....

I know what they are but I can't remember the name of them....I'll try and find my notes and let you know.

loubylou · 30-12-07, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 1999judy

Lou are any of these courses the same thing?
Distance Learning and Home Study Courses - Undergraduate and Postgraduate Degree, Diploma, Certificates

I had a look around the site but i don't think they are the same at all, the teaching on that site is for if you want to teach young people, not adult hth

Sparklepink · 30-12-07, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cathie!

There are some new qualifications coming in for teaching life long learning, I think these will surpass the 70's.... for FE and also schools when beauty, hair and nails are being taught at senior school....yes I think this will happen.....

I know what they are but I can't remember the name of them....I'll try and find my notes and let you know.

petals, kettles and dettols thats off the top of my head and totally nt spelt right....lololol but ykwim from the meeting hunnio

Jess xox

1999judy · 30-12-07, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by loubylou

I had a look around the site but i don't think they are the same at all, the teaching on that site is for if you want to teach young people, not adult hth

Yeah thanks love.. me too.
Ah well I'll do it all again if I have to I suppose

Really was hoping not to go back to college but got my head around it now...yet again

Deena · 30-12-07, 11:10 PM

This whole debate where nails are concerned and company training versus VTCT/NVQ is both interesting and slightly worrying. It seems that the general consensus is that if you train with a reputable company, you get the <arguably> better training and yet the employment market tends to favour the national standard 'Professional' qualifications.

I am planning to fund myself next year to get through the VTCT route, with a view to consolidating my knowledge, training and qualifications and yet so many seem to be saying that I've already had the better and more up to date education with a reputable company!

If the knowledge/skills imparted at colleges isn't the most up to date and comprehensive etc, then isn't it about time the government was 'Educated' about this deficit and had a rethink about their standards?

sharon h · 23-03-08, 05:19 PM

hi if you want to know more about the 7303 PTLLS or the 7304 CTLLS go to the IFL site www.ifl.ac.uk and they will explain it a bit more for you.
I want to teach privately so I am doing the 7303 and will be covered to teach by the guild insurance. I also want to teach at my local college so i would also need to do the 7304 certificate which will enable me to teach at college.u can go further into specific teaching courses etc it goes on and on.
It depends on who you want to teach and where you want to teach.

sparklybits · 23-03-08, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 1999judy

If you are a qualified educator for a nail company do you still have to do your teaching certificates at college in order to teach in a college for VCTC or NVQ nail courses?
I've been wondering about this for a while....

Hi Honey

I had to do my A1 assessor award for teaching in college which i completed about 2years ago.

Since then I have now gained my VTCT assersor award and working towards my Advanced PDA which is now a grade 9 which the the same as the dgree for the TQFE award.

Hope this helps

sparklybits · 23-03-08, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrs Geek

None of ours do Judy. In fact I had a college the other day call and ask if they could send 5 beauty lectures on a Foundation Course so they could 'teach nails in college'... not very inspriring huh that the college thinks so little of nails, that they actually think that y sending their teachers on a Foundation Course for a beginner student - that this would be enough for them to teach 20 odd students??? No wonder students come out of college so disallusioned with nails!

I'd go to a (CND in my case) Ambassador / Educator every time. Personally I think it stands to reason that trainers for nail companies who have been trained by the company itself and have vast experience in applying enhancements, are going to be far more knowledgeable, than a beauty lecturer in college who has been sent on a foundation course and may have never applied a full set in their lives!!

Just MHO anyway!

I couldnt agree more with you Sam this is why the college I teach in currently had lecturers like me who specialis in nails and an educator for a nail company. Unfortunately this is not the case throughout the country. (which it should be)