yeah i was agreeing with you! thats what "a certain timescale" meant. lol.

Even jst browsing round the forums, I can see posts saying "ive just done my training for lion taming" (obviously an example lol) and then just 2 / 3 months later "IM A TRAINER, I CAN TEACH YOU TO TAME LIONS TOO!!" lol.

I think if there was a poll option on here for less than 6 months, it would have ZERO votes (i would hope/imagine!!)

I think we all have different standards, but when you go for training, dont just take for granted that your trainer has X amount of years experience. Look into it for yourself!!

xx

I couldnt agree more with this!! I would imagine that Salon / Spa experience Vs Home salon / mobile is very different!! Same for me in that if I hadnt worked with more experienced therapists in the start of my career (i was renting in a salon with other therapists) then I wouldnt be as awesome as i am now. hahaha.

Thats exactly it Kate !

The amount of stuff I have learnt from other therapists I have worked with is massive, everything from different techniques in treatments to setting up the towels/blankets/sheets etc on a couch the list is endless !!!

My worries are that some therapist/technicians who have just done a one day course few months experience and then they are then teaching one day courses to other students

WHY ?!!! Who employs these people !!!

Unfortunetly ladies sometimes there is a need to employ a teacher NOW and a school cannot wait for a decent one to come along - I in no way condone this but I know it happens as the school I teach in did exactly that!
when I went for my ITEC my teacher had done nails for about 6 months and beacuse she was at the right place right time she was hired and taught for 5 yrs, another teacher is even worse and made such a mess of the syllabus that they are weary of me changing it back!
I always knew I wanted to teach and have had a long winding road to get here, my road is not the way I want my students to go - sometimes crap training that is such a waste of moolah!, short courses with no back up etc.
I tell them always that they need a standard such as an ITEC then they are free to embark on as many product companies/short courses that they like.

In the poll I chose over 5yrs - Yes it depends on what kind of experience that you've had but I hope that in those 5yrs you've seen a wider veriety of techniques, training, products, clients than you would of in 3yrs. IMHO 3yrs would only see you move to a senior position in a job not a management position so have you really the experience?

I have worked in nearly all area's of the industry, I have trained with alot of the top names, I have a new & successfull business, I know about many diff products, techniques. I am well read and continue to learn every year. I am proud of this and always want more. I have been in nails for nearly 8 yrs and cant wait to see what the next 8 brings.
Sorry to harp on about myself but I am happy to be part of this industry and want to help shape it for the better.

hi, In my opinion you should be experienced in all aspects of the nail industry and in order to achieve such experience you need to have worked in salon for the very minimum of five years to have brushed up on your skills and built up a good client base as well as experienced the in and outs of running a busy salon. You must also ensure that you have done all relevant training to become a trainer and to keep updating your own education as we are always learning new skills. I think the need for compulsory NVQ or equivilent qualifications are a must for the future of the nail industry.

There is an awful lot of talk about people being qualified to teach!! What is that?? The teacher qualification I did was all about lesson plans and assessing and organisation skills .......... bah. Nothing to do with teaching.

I learned all my delivery skills from Creative and no one can teach anyone the natural skills of communication and helping your students switch on their lights!! Teachers are born not made. Experience of course is vital and no one can teach you that either.

Letters after ones name will not help regulate the industry IMO. I know plenty who have got the qualification and couldn't teach anyone how to make a cup of tea, let alone how to do something as skillful as nail enhancement. I sit and listen to them and not an ounce of inspiration or excitement or fun. There must be all that as well IMO.

Being a good nail technician doesn't make a good teacher of the art either. It is rare to get all the things together in one person. We search long and hard to find them and when we do ... I could care less if they have letters after their name and a whopping boring portfolio I'm never going to look at.

Mine is gathering dust in some dungeon somewhere along with about 8 others for other letters I have never really used either!

Again I agree - I didnt mention my qualification as it was all lesson plans and theorys about the best ways to teach. I have ALWAYS wanted to be a teacher ever since I was small, so I hope it comes quite naturally to me.

step 1 - research research research
step 2 - perfect your craft
step 3 - enjoy what you do everyday and you cant go wrong

I couldn't agree more (except on the part I didn't understand language wise... my English still isn't perfect lol)

for quite a year, and for another one I go and train anywhere in Europe, with some master techs, and you find in the very first seconds WHO is a good teacher and who is here... just to show off, or for the money, or doing their best but still... no. it just won't work. Communication is a huge key but then... we always fight with my boss when we talk about a product, and to me what is important is that the message is understood by all the audience, whereas he's all for the technical aspects and blahblah I don't even get, which is always so annoying (but he's the boss). also when to speak, the rythm of speech, the amount of theory over practical situation... the words to find...

the human qualities are really important when you teach. even more than the abilities you are showing. because if I am a newbie, and I go to my training, and the educ starts off showing a competition nail, that I have never seen done in front of me before, I'll only remember the result, the woa... but the how did he do that? if the trainor can't explain, if, when I ask another stupid question he's like *come and watch closer* I'll be like... 'tard.

I wish I could have a training with you geeg...

Jeez
over here in Ireland,there are a lot of teachers,educators,teaching with this skill?

SEE ONE
DO ONE
TEACH ONE
Thats the truth!!

Not just in Ireland Mrs O .. Not just in Ireland.

There are things in place to stop this, such as not being able to get your certs accredited through insurance companies if you yourself have no qualifications in the subject your teaching or if you have no teaching quals.

The people who then do the training with a company that is not accredited then they themselves cannot get insured. Well thats what I thought until I read this thread.

The government will always come out with stupid bylaws that make no sense to create stumbling blocks in us setting up or running a salon yet they don't give two hoots about whether or not someone is properly qualified to do what they say.

I could not run a restaurant or takeaway without being inspected or doing a food hygiene cert every year but I can run a salon that could equally cause problems.

With this in mind the government should surely have some guidelines in place to ensure all teachers have updated experience and training in their field. Although I am sure if one of us set up a Training Centre to teach brain surgery we may very well raise a few eyebrows.

Expierence? What is expierence?

I know many teachers , a "big" and famous Teachers ,Teachers with 20-25 Years expierence in nailindustrie) etc.
They have made our nail-Industrie.....

I know also a young teachers , oftly about 2-3 Years as NT... and I must say that I have learnd more from the second group.

Many Educators with 15 Years expierence are Old-fashioned Educators and not more Trendy. Many of them are oftly sure that they can all and that they cannot lernt more. They are oft close for new and - - jealous of another , modern NT. They shame on to come and learn from Young nail-Tech.Why????
They are oftly educator only becusse they have EXPIERENCE!..and when I see what they do...oh,my Gooooooood......

Sadly,I know many Educators with 10 -15 Years Experience, ther learn in the name for big companys and they cannot make a ordinary nail or manicure , they working on natural nail with 100 Grit File, the dont know what is a different between acrylic and acrylat ... ..

Standarts from Today are not standart from 1980...... Many Champions from 1980 woudnt have a chance today.....

What I want to say is..... alone experience and many years in indrustrie dont give You a Honour to be a good Tech or a good Educator.

Its simple Rule : dosent matter how long- important is HOW!

I Think only one make me a good Educator: my students and theirs work and proffesionality and Suceed from they. Doesnt matter what of company or how many years I make a nails!

My student are oftly a winner from many international competitons.
I am nail-Tech since End of 2006 .

I "dont have Experience" like another one.....
Oh really???? ..... Dont I?

P.S. Ez Flow is for me THE COMPANY with the best Educator-Team. To be an "Ez Flow Educator you must to know something. And this "something" is very,very,very,veeeeeeery proffesional.Respekt!

Yes,yes,yes!!!..and this by the way... is also only truth and nothing but the truth.....

I teach Manicure,Pedicure, Extensions, Nail art (yes there are books though you have to search for them) Indian head massage, Aromatherapy, Swedish Body Massage and Reflexology.

I am fully qualified in all my subjects and in addition have my teachers certificate. My courses are accredited with Beautyguild.com I aim to give excellent after support and thorough training. I am a perfectionist and am so sorry for the people that are conned by 'training companies' that offer a one day and you can do it!

Just not possible and I refuse to do that type of foundation course. So some of us are doing the job correctly.

you do have to have a level 3 in the subject you wish to teach not just be qualified in the subject and colleges like you to have at least 2 years experiences in the field as well. i know this as i have just started to teach media and theatrical make up.