hi, I'm a hair geek so sorry to butt in on the topic ,I noticed the other day a local hairdressers (diferent to one that I work in) are offering botex and teeth whitening for £99 ok I admit I havent phoned and enquired about it but in my opinion I wouldnt dream of having my chompers whitened or my face injected with botox unless it was with people that were fully qualified , I mean at the end of the day you wouldnt phone the gas board if there was something wrong with ur electrics unless im wrong lol .

I actually think that with full and proper training, I would prefer a beauty therapist as they have more of an aesthetic eye. I wouldn't want a dentist to do it.

I've seen plenty of bad Botox and Filler jobs by docs, so just becasue they are qualified, doesn't make them good.

I used to work in a salon where the Botox doctor used to be out of the door and in his car, before his last client had put her coat on. Only in it for the money so don't kid yourselves otherwise.xxx

You let beauticians do electrolysis. Now that's sticking needles into the skin and zapping the hair follicle.
I've seen many threads on here about how much training beauty therapists do and they don't want people to think it's a bimbos job when they have to learn so much. They need to do a&p and years of training. Surely if they have the training and it's extensive training then i can't see the problem.
A doctor nearly cost my sister her life and there's no way i would let him inject me with anything!
My dentist broke my teeth while doing root canal work.
Just cos someone has letters after their name doesn't mean they are the most qualified to do the job.

Hi everyone, have to butt in here.

It is illegal for anyone without medical qualification to administer Botox (regardless of what salons say/do) - they would not have a leg to stand on legally in case of complications. Botox is a prescription only medicine. I have been administering Botox and fillers for years. As a nurse prescriber I do not need a doctor present. However, and I mean no disrespect to beauty therapists - you do need medical knowledge and qualifications to administer fillers. It is intepreting what action if there were any complications. You should not administer fillers if you are not qualified to manage any complications! There is a comprehensive medical history which needs to be assessed prior to these procedures. It is not the case of sticking a few needles into someones face - or having a good eye for aesthetics!

All of us in the industry are aware of this nurse who passes himself off to offer training to beauty therapists. His is under investigation by relevant authorities and there is not one single medic in this profession who has any respect for him. His training is wholly inadequate!

The fillers which he uses are also inferior quality, because respectable companies such as Q-Med (Restylane) will not supply to him or beauty therapists. Reputable insurance companies will not insure anyone without medical qualifications to carry out these procedures.

I cannot emphasise enough the importance of having any of these treatments performed by a medically qualified practitioner. These products must be respected and treated as a medical procedure. We do not treat Clients. We treat 'patients'.

Hi Botox is a prescription drug therefore by law should only be adminstered by a doctor in the first instance - even though nurses are currently "getting" away with it it MUST be prescribed and certainly should not be administered by a non medical proffessional BEWARE!!!

I have what is known as a hemi facial spasm. In short it means I have a nerve above my eyebrow that misbehaves and makes the right side of my face and eye twitch periodically.

The only cure is an operation that could result in my losing my hearing or it can be controlled with botox.

As I now live overseas I no longer have the treatment, but when I lived in the UK I used to travel to London to see a neurologist who administered the botox within the NHS system.

In the waiting room waiting to see him were also people who suffered from excessive sweating, multiple sclerosis and dystonia, as well as people like me.

No disrespect to anyone here but there is no way I would have let anyone other than him administer 6 injections around my eye socket. Even my own GP who was incredibly well qualified wouldn't consider doing it for me. Accurate precision was imperative!

One time when I went to see him one of the injections resulted in profuse bleeding - it hurt like hell and I must say I was glad to be in the capable hands of a neurologist.

Just my thoughts folks.....

I agree totally, what would happen if a beauty therapist administered botox and they had a severe allergy and went into anaphaltic shock.????..

I did do a spell check but still not sure if i have spelt it right

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ok ladies and even the boys..........

I have had botox in my forehead by a nurse whos a friend of mine.

I love it, it does wonders..........but

I want to know when it comes to the A&P of the facial muscles etc, what does a nurse know that's so different from a beauty therapist level 3?

I may be ripped to shreds here....... but please tell me the major difference, we can already do the majority of sticking needles in faces..electrolysis etc... can't we?

I know for a fact I could fill out the consultation form with you....numb the area with a swab of antiseptic cream... mark up the area of injections and stick it to you.........then charge you a £100 plus per area!! tell me........ What makes a nurse more qualified if we both got the relevant training?

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I agree totally. I'm not condoning any and every beauty therapist being allowed to do it, but I don't see any problem if they have proper training.

After all, Harold Shipman was a doc.......

This thread shows why beauty therapists don't get the credit they deserve. I think this is a case of beauty therapists knocking their own industry.

A well educated Level 3 beauty therapist with experience is just as well placed (with the necessary further training) to administer botox as a nurse, dentist or doctor.

Simple - I am a Nurse Prescriber - huge difference! I have had 4 years ofMEDICAL training and 20 years medical experience. Not just A&P and facial muscle anatomy required! The very comment made demonstrate a lack of knowledge about Botox and its interpretations. I really mean no offense, however there are many inaccuracies cited here.

No offense taken, it was why I asked the question But to be honest I don't see how 4 years of medical training and 20 years of medical experience is absolutely necessary for facial botox injections, Because Botox training is not included in those 4 years or 20 years training is it? No, it's a separate, training course. I know of people having bad reactions and botox going wrong when it was administered by a nurse. As I said if we were to both get the equal amount of Botox training (knowledge in Botox) We could both be as capable to perform this treatment. just my honest opinion.

Hi Wendy

I understand what you mean when you say 'botox training is not covered in medical training'. I can see why you believe that - as a procedure in itself no - botox training is not covered.

However, when you train to administer botox, all your other medicaltraining and experience is taken into account - that is why the training is not for the lay person so to speak. I have beauty therapists working in my salon - all of who I respect greatly and I appreciate their knowledge and skills - no one is better than the other - however it is not in a beauty therapists remit the same way I wouldn't know one end of a wax pot from the other (scares the life out of me)!

A beauty therapist is simply not equipped to perform medical procedures such as this. If they so wish to - go out and get a medical degree. There is a lot of medical knowledge required when administering these products which you simply cannot learn on a botox training course. It is not labelled prescription only medicine for nothing.

Again - no offence meant XXX

Just to add....

I don't for one second doubt there are bad botox treatments performed by nurses (I have seen them), and doctors (boy, I have seen them too), just as there are poor procedures performed by therapist. No-one industry is fool proof. Doesn't mean we all have to be tarred with the same brush though does it X

I don't believe that nvq level 3 beauty anatomy is anything like the amount of anatomy a nurse learns.It was once but not anymore.
I think there is enough for beauty therapists to become proficient in without being allowed to inject people.
Of course some are going to be good at it and take care and do everything they should be doing properly but what about those that will just jump on the bandwagon for the money.
Some therapists can't even perform a wax service very well let alone anything else and we all know the huge differences in training.
At least to be able to take a nursing course you have to have a good standard of education in the first place which you now don't to do a beauty course.
How ever will it be regulated if any level 3 therapists are allowed to do it.