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29-07-09, 03:57 PM

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A good example would be the dreaded ear candle issue..in some countries its banned..in others its not...in the countries where it is banned those therapists cant for the life of them see why other therapists in countries where it is not banned are stupid enough to offer the service....after all its banned in their country so why are you doing it kind of thing
Aye, I have read of eyelash tinting being banned in certain states in the US, despite being popular over here...
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29-07-09, 04:12 PM

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There is absolutely no problem in putting across personal views...

What is not the right thing to do is to advertise treatment "A" off the back of treatment"B" simply because an individual doesn't agree with treatment "A"and use the dangers of its use as your marketing angle.

It simply becomes fodder for the media to further fuel the frenzy in the news and can only damage the long term stability of our industry.

A good example would be the dreaded ear candle issue..in some countries its banned..in others its not...in the countries where it is banned those therapists cant for the life of them see why other therapists in countries where it is not banned are stupid enough to offer the service....after all its banned in their country so why are you doing it kind of thing

It is essential that no matter what our personal beliefs are that we recognise other professionals may have differing ones and that they derive their income from what it is they do....of course within the parameters of the law and good practice of course.
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I totally understand what you are saying and agree with you. I have to reply though - You are confusing what I am saying as being my personal view - this is not the case. As a medical professional, I have to advise NOT based on my personal view, but on MEDICAL evidence through medical research. My advise is solely based on that. I am sure a lot of people will disagree, particularly professionals working within the sunbed industry - this is not a personal opinion based on my beliefs or on any agenda towards the industry - for instance - going off on another entirely different topic, I know, - I Chose NOT to have my child vaccinated against MMR - my personal choice - but I could never advise another member of the public to take the same course of action - that would be unprofessional.

Do you see where I am coming from? Not my personal opinion - medical fact. (I have just learnt how to do those smilies)!
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29-07-09, 04:48 PM

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Collin,

I totally understand what you are saying and agree with you. I have to reply though - You are confusing what I am saying as being my personal view - this is not the case. As a medical professional, I have to advise NOT based on my personal view, but on MEDICAL evidence through medical research. My advise is solely based on that. I am sure a lot of people will disagree, particularly professionals working within the sunbed industry - this is not a personal opinion based on my beliefs or on any agenda towards the industry - for instance - going off on another entirely different topic, I know, - I Chose NOT to have my child vaccinated against MMR - my personal choice - but I could never advise another member of the public to take the same course of action - that would be unprofessional.

Do you see where I am coming from? Not my personal opinion - medical fact. (I have just learnt how to do those smilies)!
No confusion ...also simply answering from a global perspective rather than a personal view on the wrongs and rights of any treatment offered by any therapist any where in the world
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29-07-09, 06:27 PM

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Collin,

I totally understand what you are saying and agree with you. I have to reply though - You are confusing what I am saying as being my personal view - this is not the case. As a medical professional, I have to advise NOT based on my personal view, but on MEDICAL evidence through medical research. My advise is solely based on that. I am sure a lot of people will disagree, particularly professionals working within the sunbed industry - this is not a personal opinion based on my beliefs or on any agenda towards the industry - for instance - going off on another entirely different topic, I know, - I Chose NOT to have my child vaccinated against MMR - my personal choice - but I could never advise another member of the public to take the same course of action - that would be unprofessional.

Do you see where I am coming from? Not my personal opinion - medical fact. (I have just learnt how to do those smilies)!
I can see your point,and hence why i wear sunprotection all year round,and re apply liberally,and will always remain as pale as pastureised milk....
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29-07-09, 06:36 PM

I don't think that placing the use of sunbeds in the 'highest cancer risk category' will make people stop using them all together.

We have a sunbed in the beauty salon where i work, despite specialising in anti-ageing and we still have the same amount of users if not more.

Personally i recommend my clients spray tanning, but you still get the same amount who only use sunbeds.
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29-07-09, 07:05 PM

I think it's a pity that reputable tanning salons have been put in the same boat as disreputable ones.

The highest risk of skin cancer it is to people with skin type 1 and/or have been badly burnt in the past. Neither of which would be allowed to use sunbeds in a reputable salon. It's these awful coin operated salons, with no controls that are causing all the trouble!
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29-07-09, 07:39 PM

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I think it's a pity that reputable tanning salons have been put in the same boat as disreputable ones.

The highest risk of skin cancer it is to people with skin type 1 and/or have been badly burnt in the past. Neither of which would be allowed to use sunbeds in a reputable salon. It's these awful coin operated salons, with no controls that are causing all the trouble!

I agree with this, all salons are not bad, I hope! Although I would never encourage clients to use sunbeds! Just as a reminder of how problems arise, a local salon to me has a big sign up in their window saying "unlimited sunbeds for a month, £25" A stream of young girls are in and out all day from there.
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29-07-09, 10:25 PM

I have to say I have never understood how/why a therapist who is trained and experienced in looking after clients skin, protecting it and helping the client acheive the best, promoting anti aging and skin protection, and then also selling/promoting time on sunbeds. To me it has always been a total contradiction!

Yes, I know that sunbed are occaisionally recommended for specific skin concerns, but lets be honest, salons don't restrict use to those in that category.

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29-07-09, 10:53 PM

I dont agree with sunbeds at all! Not because im a tanning technician but because they are dangerous and so many naive people i have met dont believe the real dangers or simply dont care!

I often feel like saying so you have facials and manicures because you want to look after your nails and your face so why not save your skin??
Every single time someone mentions that they use sunbeds ill admit i do harp on about how dangerous they are etc not because i want business from them just because they are dangerous. It can also damage your appearance causing ageing and moles.

Sunbeds are a high factor in the Essex area and too many people are addicted to them and go on a weekly basis for god knows how many years and as they get older they look so aged!

I had a similar discussion with my sister the other day she was harping on at me about me smoking and that it causes cancer etc yet an hour after this conversation she mentioned how she was going to start using sunbeds before her wedding as she doesnt want a spray tan staining her dress. Its same difference really!
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29-07-09, 11:38 PM

Does anybody know where we can see the facts and figures as a result of this research and not the press manipulated stuff?

I just can't believe that they only blame UVR from sunbeds for causing cancer and not the UVR from the sun! I don't like this nanny state we live in, where's it going to end, nobody on the beaches, no body allowed out during the day? I read somewhere that there's some cancer charity, or something, calling for all primary school playing areas to be covered from the sun! It's just ludicrous.

I'm not trying to defend sunbeds because, yes UVA can cause skin cancer. However sunbed salons do regulate and control exposure and as I've mentioned earlier, prevent the high at risk from tanning at all!

Every time you are in the daylight your exposed to ultra violet radiation and before somebody mentions sunblock creams, how many people cover all their exposed skin every single time they're outside and reapply it when necessary? and to make it worse how many people know that there's no evidence that sunblock can prevent cancer? It does prevent burning, but it doesn't block the cancer causing UVA. So if sunblock stops burning, it increases the time, considerably, you can spend in the sun, whilst at the same time absorbing the cancer forming UVA. Hmm... maybe it's the recent increase in sunblock use that's caused the rise in skin cancer cases. Please have a read of this Sunblock Does Not Stop Skin Cancer

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I have to say I have never understood how/why a therapist who is trained and experienced in looking after clients skin, protecting it and helping the client acheive the best, promoting anti aging and skin protection, and then also selling/promoting time on sunbeds. To me it has always been a total contradiction!

Yes, I know that sunbed are occaisionally recommended for specific skin concerns, but lets be honest, salons don't restrict use to those in that category.

Oh and I have to ask - Collin, is your bum hurting from sitting on the fence?
Well said amen to that....and yes Collin get of the friginn' fence so we can massage that lovely bum of yours
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I have to say I have never understood how/why a therapist who is trained and experienced in looking after clients skin, protecting it and helping the client acheive the best, promoting anti aging and skin protection, and then also selling/promoting time on sunbeds. To me it has always been a total contradiction!

Yes, I know that sunbed are occaisionally recommended for specific skin concerns, but lets be honest, salons don't restrict use to those in that category.

Oh and I have to ask - Collin, is your bum hurting from sitting on the fence?

Well Said - hurray for common sense. X Come on Collin, stop being so damn nice
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30-07-09, 09:48 AM

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Well Said - hurray for common sense. X Come on Collin, stop being so damn nice
lol.....its more a case of supporting those in the industry all of whom derive an income from what they do.

My personal viewpoint on the rights and wrongs of exposure to UV is really irrelevant however if they are legally allowed to offer certain treatments and provided there are as many safety precautions and regulations in place what more can be done...other than to constantly monitor,review safety guidelines and educate users against the potential dangers of what they do...like showing those horrible pictures on cigarette packets for example.

Its a case of how far do you take it
1) they sell cigarettes in the shop..
2) they sell alcohol also
3) they sell cars..that kills more people than cancer from sunbeds..especially them pesky smart cars

Does that mean all these places need closing down simply because of personal opinion...what about lap dancing clubs...now there's a whole different story ..where does it end??
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lol.....its more a case of supporting those in the industry all of whom derive an income from what they do.

My personal viewpoint on the rights and wrongs of exposure to UV is really irrelevant however if they are legally allowed to offer certain treatments and provided there are as many safety precautions and regulations in place what more can be done...other than to constantly monitor,review safety guidelines and educate users against the potential dangers of what they do...like showing those horrible pictures on cigarette packets for example.

Its a case of how far do you take it
1) they sell cigarettes in the shop..
2) they sell alcohol also
3) they sell cars..that kills more people than cancer from sunbeds..especially them pesky smart cars

Does that mean all these places need closing down simply because of personal opinion...what about lap dancing clubs...now there's a whole different story ..where does it end??

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Its not personal opinion, its medical research thus evidence.

Personal opinion, is then what you do about it - choose to ignore, carry on regardless or what you think to be calculated risk. As professionals, we should be advising based on evidence - not personal opinion. X
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30-07-09, 11:16 AM

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lol.....its more a case of supporting those in the industry all of whom derive an income from what they do.

My personal viewpoint on the rights and wrongs of exposure to UV is really irrelevant however if they are legally allowed to offer certain treatments and provided there are as many safety precautions and regulations in place what more can be done...other than to constantly monitor,review safety guidelines and educate users against the potential dangers of what they do...like showing those horrible pictures on cigarette packets for example.

Its a case of how far do you take it
1) they sell cigarettes in the shop..
2) they sell alcohol also
3) they sell cars..that kills more people than cancer from sunbeds..especially them pesky smart cars

Does that mean all these places need closing down simply because of personal opinion...
I agree....where are the pics of rotting teeth on sweet packets....and clogged up arteries on McDonald's boxes...and cirrhosis of the liver pics on wine bottles.....?????

WE are responsible for our own actions......there are lots of things that can/could cause illness/death....its OUR choice if we decide to take that risk.

Some people jump out of airplaines....its a risk....but people still make money from it !!
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