Fast trackers

Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by Reidebot, Oct 9, 2017.

  1. Reidebot
     
    On one of the aussie hairdresser groups a person live streamed about how the colleges are cheapening the industry and not preparing people for the industry by getting them to look and act the part attitude wise. They said that beauty had way more discipline then hair when it comes to presentation and aesthetics.

    We have the issue that the government pumps people through schools and then no one can get a job because the course is only 12 months-15 months. Its a huge problem because the people who qualify are not industry ready at all. Sometimes they cant do basic things like blow wave or shampoo and yet you have to pay the graduates wage. So they in turn become unemployable.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. RED STAR
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    Pretty much the same problem here.....

    There are quite a few threads discussing this issue.:cool:

    There is more money to be made training students, than there is delivering a service!:oops:
    Anyone can do a short course to enable them to 'educate' others.
    One of my own client's did a 2 day 'hair up' course.:eek:
    She then completed a week long PTTLS course, and now 'teaches' hair& make-up! o_O

    More money can be earned delivering training, than actually performing the treatment, and you don't even need to be any good!:p
     
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  3. AshLovesTanning
     
     
     
    You couldn't be more right. In Dublin City alone there is at least 10 salon's who charge at least €8,000 to train you for 6 months, you pay more money the more months you do. It absolute nuts. I don't understand why people think they can pay for a few months and be qualified. There is a reason apart from slave labour, why apprenticeships are 4 years - customer service, experience, training. I might sound stuck up but if I rang a salon and they answered the phone in a unmannerly tone I would not go there. These are things people are not being trained for.
     
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  4. Reidebot
     
    See I'm lucky in a way with my experiences. I have been to 5 schools (1. audited and closed down due to neglect of education 2 really good school but left because I got an apprenticeship 3 I went to because of my apprenticeship... good but understaffed and easy to fall into the crowd 4 good system... education needed work however they organise placements for students to get a feel for working in the industry and they move you every three months to get verity 5 current school but it's only been 2 days so I can't judge, however its small and I love the text books and they mainly deal with apprentices who need to comply with work). I have done most my apprenticeship (unfortunately the course structure has changed so I have to redo a lot of units) so I have my apprenticeship experience. I am simply using the fast track to get the piece of paper. I am also working in salon and getting training there. But I started 2 days ago and some of the stuff the girls say makes me wonder. Someone actually said "More then one colour is too much for me in a day." I think the biggest issue with these schools isn't the education. It's the mentality and attitude that comes with it. I made a comment to someone about colour, "Colour is basically a combination between maths, light science and chemistry. Once you break it down to that it's really simple," And they said "Ewl I don't want to do maths or science." The instructors can only do so much but if the student doesn't put in the effort (even if its a 12 month course) they are the ones failing the industry in my opinion. It's clear to see who will make it and who won't when it comes to attitude.
     
  5. Zoey92
     
     
     
     
     
     
    Ive always wondered how tge teaching side of things worked.
    I know of someone who done the odd colour here and there(at home) & before i knew it she is in a local college teaching hairdressing.

    I thought surely you have to have so many years in the trade itself in a salon to do this role.
    Its crazy.
     
  6. daydreams01
     
     
     
    This is something that really grinds my gears and I think is why lots of people are leaving college without having good all round training. They are being shortchanged by the colleges who aren't investing in experienced staff.

    Officially you are meant to have 5 years of salon experience before you could do your assessor award/ teaching quals but having spent many years working in FE before I took the plunge and opened my own salon, I have seen many people allowed to do their assessors awards and PTTLS courses that had little or no salon experience since qualifying that ended up teaching and recently I saw an ex student whilst out shopping. She turned up to about 60% of her lessons and didn't like me cos I didn't give her all distinctions in all her assessments and thought it was a personal thing, it wasn't, she just hadn't met the criteria for 'distinction'. Anyway she told me she is now teaching barbering in a prison. She has never worked in a salon or a barbers since she qualified and didn't even have any teaching or assessing quals so I have no idea how she got the position!
     
  7. RED STAR
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    Without salon experience....how can the students be 'salon ready'!

    Completing a service on a 'model', is nothing like carrying out a service on a full paying client.:rolleyes:

    This is an essential detail that is missing.:oops:

    Customer service, consultation, and managing expectations are just not there, and the reason is the students are often being taught by someone who hasn't 'salon experience' themselves.o_O

    When I did my PTTLS I understood that you had to be a specialist in your subject....as I have many years experience in Hair & beauty, I felt qualified for the course.....:)
    Others on the same course however, had zero years experience...but were still able to do the course!:confused:
    It all comes down to filling spaces and money in the end....:(
     

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