This whole thread makes me really lose my faith in any sort of professionalism in this industry. I'll address all of you this once, and then let you carry on your merry way.
with that attitude should you?
huh?
I think what I said was it depends on the client?! If they have a doctors note to say they are fine to treat then what's the problem?
I'm not understanding how a metal cuticle pusher, if used correctly, can do damage and cause an ulcer. Sorry if I'm being thick but I thought using tools and being careful came hand in hand with every treatment you do.
Mild diabetes is not contra indicated anyway, you adapt your treatment to suit the client and if this isn't possible then you refuse the treatment.
That's like saying advanced epilation is contra indicated for diabetics, Which it isn't, they just heal slower so you have to have longer between treatments and you can only do it if it's been advised safe by a doctor.
Sorry but it really does depend on the client, you can't say just because they're diabetic I'm not touching them even though the doctor says it's fine.
This is an example of someone only skimming over posts. If you read carefully, you will see that I said leftover exfoliation granules can cause ulcerations, NOT metal pushes. Many diabetics have more fragile skin, so using a metal pusher as you normally would in a careful manner on any client, can cause damage, regardless of how careful you are.
Wanted to just comment from the view of someone with a diabetic partner. I do my hubby's nails but am always cautious despite knowing his illness inside out as I am his main carer. I would agree to err on the side of caution.
I would however say that the comments made about people reconsidering their career choice because of their training and views on diabetic clients was way out of line. Eskimo - you seem to be very agressive in your replies and very abrupt. Yes, people are thick skinned and know to read carefully before taking offence but your replies don't really leave much choice in most cases
You really should think about being nicer to people hun as you are taken the wrong way by people
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I really could care less the way I am taken by people, actually. Especially when someone says something as horrifying as "we should treat clients all the same". Sure, why not. Let's just have a free for all, and not even do consultations? Why would we even ask if they have ANY disorder then, if we should just treat them all the same? Let's just use metal tools on everyone, give good massages, and trim dead tissue too! Oh, what a beautiful day!
I may come off abrubt, but there are A LOT of new nail techs who read this forum and don't post. If they read that (awful) advice and take it, they could seriously injure their client. Saying things like that is completely reckless, and makes me wonder where on earth this person did their training, and how they have not injured someone yet.
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Not sure what your problem is, but your comment about "they have diabetes and they need to accept that" i think is neither here nor there.
The discussuion isn't about weather someone accepts their medical condition or not is's about performing a safe and enjoyable treatment.
I am a diabetic and i regularly get my nails done and as long as the person doing the treatment is properly trained everything is fine. Act with caution yes but you would for anyone else.
What about clients that are taking Asprin to help thin their blood, these people would probably be at an either greater risk if you were to cut them, as stopping the blood flow is a nightmare, and i know what i'm talking about as i used to be a student nurse and worked as a healthcare assitant at the hospital.
As for the easy bruising, skintearing etc these are problems more associated with the elderly, as you said you use to work on elderly hands and feet.
As diabetics are both young and old, these problems cannot be specifically target as diabetic problems. What is a problem is infection so as long as all proper precautions are taken with the maintenance and hygeine of the tools and work area, everything should be fine.
Again, this is an example of someone NOT reading carefully. My response about "they have diabetes and need to accept that", was directed towards the comment that "she was just happy someone would treat her like any other client". Obviously, or not so much, as you all seem to think I am the spawn of Satan, I completely sympathize with someone who has a medical condition. Most people with issues like this will have realized that they need a different type of treatment than the rest. The ones who think they are the exception to the rule will look for tech's that will cave to their own ethics and go against their training.
I'm sorry if this was confusing to you. And Aspirin and other blood thinners are on my consultation form.
charliek71 this is the point i was trying to make. we should give all our clients extra care and attention not just those who have a health problem. there may be steps your miss from manicures for a variety of reasons, you do what suits that clients needs. it annoys me on this forum that everything turns into a bitch fest at times and you almost cant have your say or give your point of you. we are all "supposed" to be professionals who deal and speak to a varity of people on a daily basis yet some of us cant respond to a post (regardless of wither you think its correct info or not) without making unnecessary or bitchy comments.
I take my client's health very seriously. I am always disheartened when I get clients sitting in front of me who tell me a horror story about them or a family member being injured by a negligent tech. Many times I was approached by family members of my diabetic clients, asking if they could stay to make sure I don't hurt their family member, like the previous tech's did. I always obliged, and they were always happy with my work, as I did not use metal implements and never did a deep massage, or trimmed dead tissue.
Well being a type1 diabetic therapist, i have to say the whole conversation makes me so angry
. And i had to agree with charlie's advise. UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT, KEEP YOU BAD ADVISE TO YOURSELF
I do know what I am talking about. Not only have I worked with an enormous number of diabetic clients (elderly and otherwise), but I have taken over 6 seperate nail technology courses whilst consulting my Aunt who is a head nurse for the provincial health department. And I have a degree in biomechanics and pharmacology. :lol:
I would never take an issue so seriously as my clients health, and people acting in reckless manners to make our industry look bad. If anyone else has any problems, feel free to message me and we can deal with it privately. :green:
