Botox training for beauty therapists?

[BotoxBoy]

...and some clients describe their treatment literally as 'life changing' - money can't buy that feeling

 

[BotoxBoy]

As someone who knows several doctors, nurses & pharmacist in one of Londons largest hospitals... You do NOT want to know the amount of lives put at risk by "doctors" prescribing the wrong thing!
Injections - 2 of my school chums are doctors - one is now a surgeon - would I want either of them injecting me? NO!!!! They're great doctors - but nurses are the ones taking bloods and injecting in 99 of 100 cases. I think the only needle near me not put in by a nurse was when I was rushed to hospital severely dehydrated during pregnancy... and she took her time putting it in and nearly gave up before calling the nurse in to do it!

I would say that I wouldn't let just ANY nurse inject my face - I would want to see their work, know they were clean etc and that they had experience. Then again I'd apply the same criteria to a doctor
I WOULD rather deal with someone specializing in one area like Adam does - I don't want my face in the hands of a jack of all trades and master of none

Thanks Tinxy - a non-medic who actually gets it. Nice to hear and made me smile ;-)

 

[Tinxy]

Thanks Tinxy - a non-medic who actually gets it. Nice to hear and made me smile ;-)

LOL if you want a line in quick you get a paramedic - you want an injection you call a nurse... don't get me wrong - my school friend who's a surgeon now is a GREAT surgeon... but we lovingly joke about him being a butcher... surgery is such a different kettle of fish to being a GP (which he was before training further and now does reconstructive surgery and FURTHER training to specialise in re-constructive dental surgery - a HIGHLY specialised field within facial re-construction) - but I wouldn't go to him with a skin complaint... he wouldn't be current and there IS a limit to what the human brain can retain.
Same as often in a GP surgery you have GPs who have specialties -one might specialise in skeletal and joint issues, one in paediatrics, one in infectious diseases... they all KNOW about them but most have a personal interest in a particular field.

My ex is a paramedic - his sister was a spinal nurse, now a wound care nurse (quite senior) and my neighbours are a paediatric nurse and a palliative care nurse... I have friends who are midwives and "normal" A&E nurses. It never ceases to amaze me the lack of knowledge people have about the specialist nurses we have... Instead they are "under trained wanna be doctors"... PFFFFT!!!!
No... don't get me wrong - we absolutely need doctors - but we also need nurses and especially those who have concentrated on one area - even more so than a doctor And if I had trauma in a car accident I'd rather have a paramedic over a GP! And a nurse over a GP too We just need to recognise that it's not a simple ladder hierarchy... it's a very complex and multi layered web

Bugbear of mine much?

 

[daisyl]

It just bugs me when people post 'Dr's, surgeons but not nurses' with obviously NO idea of what training and experience you need as a baseline before you even think of doing aesthetics.

What a great story!

I had a young client, 23, who is a teacher come in. She had deep lines on her forehead due to being a massive sunbed fan when she was 16. She came in all shy, meek and mild and asked about the treatment options.

I discussed botox as the best option and asked her to think about it. She came back a week later for treatment and at her two week review she came bounding in with a smile on her face and said she was more confident with the kids at school and her colleagues had commented.

At face value, people sometimes recoil in horror at a 23 year old having botox, but if it is to correct something they are so self conscious about it affects their life then this can only be a positive thing. If she walked in asking to 'look younger' I most certainly would turn her away.

As for doctors, most of my best friends are doctors all the way from training, just qualified to top consultants and surgeons and they readily admit to me their knowledge of injections and particularly worryingly prescribing is seriously lacking. But more so than this, they are reassured that they can RELY on their nurse colleagues to help them, tell them the correct dose, go with them when they administer a medicine etc and yet throw away comments on here saying nurses shouldn't be allowed to even do it! It's bizarre...

People still have an image of nurses taking temperatures and mopping brows. UK nurse training is not equivalent to our European counterparts. We are the only country in Europe who have nurse prescribers/practitioners. It is accepted and a fact that UK nurses are qualified to a higher degree. (Which is one of the argued points re European standardisation). As you know, I get very passionate regarding our profession, and am always horrified by the sheer ignorance of individuals who think it is ok for non medics to inject prescription drugs - absolutely crazy.

Age is one consideration that does not factor highly when I treat (within reason of course)! When I first started using Botox, it was contraindicated in anyone over 60. Hardly fair really! Far better to treat based on individual factors, as you did.

If you are ever around my way, feel free to call by. It's always good to share ideas and experiences with fellow practitioners.

 

[daisyl]

LOL if you want a line in quick you get a paramedic - you want an injection you call a nurse... don't get me wrong - my school friend who's a surgeon now is a GREAT surgeon... but we lovingly joke about him being a butcher... surgery is such a different kettle of fish to being a GP (which he was before training further and now does reconstructive surgery and FURTHER training to specialise in re-constructive dental surgery - a HIGHLY specialised field within facial re-construction) - but I wouldn't go to him with a skin complaint... he wouldn't be current and there IS a limit to what the human brain can retain.
Same as often in a GP surgery you have GPs who have specialties -one might specialise in skeletal and joint issues, one in paediatrics, one in infectious diseases... they all KNOW about them but most have a personal interest in a particular field.

My ex is a paramedic - his sister was a spinal nurse, now a wound care nurse (quite senior) and my neighbours are a paediatric nurse and a palliative care nurse... I have friends who are midwives and "normal" A&E nurses. It never ceases to amaze me the lack of knowledge people have about the specialist nurses we have... Instead they are "under trained wanna be doctors"... PFFFFT!!!!
No... don't get me wrong - we absolutely need doctors - but we also need nurses and especially those who have concentrated on one area - even more so than a doctor And if I had trauma in a car accident I'd rather have a paramedic over a GP! And a nurse over a GP too We just need to recognise that it's not a simple ladder hierarchy... it's a very complex and multi layered web

Bugbear of mine much?

tinxy - have a massive kiss! X x

 

[BotoxBoy]

People still have an image of nurses taking temperatures and mopping brows. UK nurse training is not equivalent to our European counterparts. We are the only country in Europe who have nurse prescribers/practitioners. It is accepted and a fact that UK nurses are qualified to a higher degree. (Which is one of the argued points re European standardisation). As you know, I get very passionate regarding our profession, and am always horrified by the sheer ignorance of individuals who think it is ok for non medics to inject prescription drugs - absolutely crazy.

Age is one consideration that does not factor highly when I treat (within reason of course)! When I first started using Botox, it was contraindicated in anyone over 60. Hardly fair really! Far better to treat based on individual factors, as you did.

If you are ever around my way, feel free to call by. It's always good to share ideas and experiences with fellow practitioners.

I don't know where you are! hehe

 

[daisyl]

I don't know where you are! hehe

Not too far - J14, M6.

 

[BotoxBoy]

Not too far - J14, M6.

Ah ok cool... would be good to meet a fellow passionate geek!

 

[angelina221]

So how many years of training at the Academy of Modesty did you do? :green:

 

[Tinxy]

tinxy - have a massive kiss! X x

have one back!!xxx

 

[BotoxBoy]

So how many years of training at the Academy of Modesty did you do? :green:

Probably not as long as you did at the academy of passive aggression x

 

[christian]

hi all,as a nurse ,nurse practitioner ,independent nurse prescriber with over 30 yrs experience and my own aesthetic clinic-i feel compelled to join in the debate .botox boy and daisyl your comments are so valid and in my belief absolutely right .i feel upset with statements about nurses doing aesthetics as "moonlighting,"or a" bit on the side".i too am passionate about aesthetics and after 20 yrs in nursing( i paid for my own training in botox and dermal fillers and i did not trot off as implied on a meal ticket by the nhs) .i have given all my working yrs to nursing in the nhs and the latter yrs in aesthetics and its fantastic .however its hard work when done well,problematic at times but rewarding.as botox boy says botox and dermal fillers can often be life changing for some patients.

above all i am a professional and respectful of others ,we all have a right too to our opinions. even though it has been commented as this thread has been done to death -if it still gives rise to debate isnt that good enough.isnt this what salon geek is all about sharing views?

back to the focus about BTs doing cosmetic injectables ,many have set up in my area with this .all i will say ,as i think everything has been said is a big NO...wait for the first test court case to happen !sorry my opinion.

gaynor

www.face-facts.net

 

[essentia]

Probably not as long as you did at the academy of passive aggression x

I think what riles some people is that this thread is not really a debate. You posted about BT doing Botox, which has been on here so many times only to use it as a vehicle to boost yourself. It seems that we have to have a BT bashing session on here periodically - no one has said on this thread that they even wish to do Botox!

 

[lila22]

Would I trust Botox boy to inject... Absolutely!

Would I trust a spray tanner or nail tech... Not on your nelly!

A doctor or nurse... Yes!

It doesn't take a genius to work out that if you are injecting people you will need a decent degree. I read Botox boys comment "rubbish degrees" as a degree in an irrelevant subject. I'm not sure he was having a pop at beauty therapists!

I have a degree but I certainly wouldn't think a piece of paper is sufficient to provide an injectable service.

I also wouldn't want Botox boy applying a set of l&p on my nails.

If your trained in something that's what u offer.

Well in a normal world!

Agree 100% x

 

[daisyl]

I think what riles some people is that this thread is not really a debate. You posted about BT doing Botox, which has been on here so many times only to use it as a vehicle to boost yourself. It seems that we have to have a BT bashing session on here periodically - no one has said on this thread that they even wish to do Botox!

Essentia, at no point has anyone bashed beauty therapists. I am sorry you feel that way. On the contrary, my point was to defend my profession following on from negative incorrect comments re aesthetic nursing. I think if you re-read the thread in its entirety you will see that is evident.

Where has anyone said anything derogatory towards beauty therapists? Beauty therapists have a unique set of skills and work and train hard in order to deliver said skills. However, beauty therapists do not have the qualifications to administer prescriptive medicines in a medical environment. That is not derogatory. That is basic common sense. To keep using the argument of 'bashing beauty therapists' is silly and boring. It is an argument you insist on using time and time again.

 

[christian]

hi ,im sorry but in the initial thread the comment was about BT and botox training ,so i assume this is then to provide botox.so i feel my comments were relevent and if anything the threads have been a bashing to nurses as i read again the posts.i would not be so unprofessional as to slate other professionals and nor use this as a vehicle to promote- just to show the level of experience and expertise we as nurses can provide as im sure may BTs offer within their field.

thanks gaynor

 

[essentia]

Essentia, at no point has anyone bashed beauty therapists. I am sorry you feel that way. On the contrary, my point was to defend my profession following on from negative incorrect comments re aesthetic nursing. I think if you re-read the thread in its entirety you will see that is evident.

Where has anyone said anything derogatory towards beauty therapists? Beauty therapists have a unique set of skills and work and train hard in order to deliver said skills. However, beauty therapists do not have the qualifications to administer prescriptive medicines in a medical environment. That is not derogatory. That is basic common sense. To keep using the argument of 'bashing beauty therapists' is silly and boring. It is an argument you insist on using time and time again.

My post was directed to the OP not to you. I did not make comments about nursing either! However it is 'silly and boring' to keep posting these tired old threads, maybe we wouldn't have to comment on them. :zzz:

 

[christian]

its a choice whether we comment or not on these threads ...if its deemed as being boring -apologies.however,if some of us find it relevant and important enough to discuss then that should ok.

think we need a separate aesthetic group as botoxboy suggested recently.

x

 

[essentia]

its a choice whether we comment or not on these threads ...if its deemed as being boring -apologies.however,if some of us find it relevant and important enough to discuss then that should ok.

think we need a separate aesthetic group as botoxboy suggested recently.

x

We do have a choice but if you have been on here long enough you will know that these discussions never end well and sometimes you cannot let some things go uncommented on . Botoxboy knew it to be a controversial subject and I hardly think it could be called a debate really could it? All you nurses will agree and as there is no other route other than nursing at present (apart from a few dodgy courses), we cannot provide an argument. Tell us something we don't know.:hug:

 

[BABSann]

I think whether you have a separate group or not you will get beauty therapists commenting on threads such as these because the title mentions, 'beauty therapists'.

Personally I don't think we should be administering Botox. Not because we aren't capable of learning etc but because we are NOT medically qualified and if something were to go wrong we wouldn't be able to deal with it the same way that a medically qualified person would do.

I wouldn't want to administer Botox, for me if I wanted to administer it I would go to uni to do a degree in nursing. Also I wouldn't in a million years ever allow a beauty therapist to administer Botox to me,I want to know the person administering the Botox on me properly qualified in ALL aspects and that should anything go wrong they would be able to deal with it using all of their medical experience and ability with the extra backing that I have somewhere to take any grievances should any arise.

This is my opinion. I do know of dentists administering it locally and I don't have an issue with that at all. It's the whole beauty therapists issue that for me is a definite no,no. Unless of course they had a medical degree.