Botox!

[hannah85]

Hi sorry if this has been asked b4 but I couldn't find anything...
I have been contacted by a freelance Botox and fillers nurse who is interested in doing it from my studio once a month for a day. She offered £25 per client but I was thinking 25% of takings which would be more like £60? Do u think this is a fair deal as she will be using my only room, elec, heating, wc facilities and waiting area also she could use refreshments too. Not only that but she doesn't have a website so I would be advertising for her on my website as well as leaflets and other places I advertise....... Also the local chiropractors few doors down take 1/3 of proffits.....
Hannah

 

[hannah85]

Thx!
Would say Scotland is cheaper than in Southampton or more cost everything is more down here??
H x

 

[daisyl]

It depends whether you are talking about takings or profit. I think 10-15% of the takings is fair. Bearing in mind average filler treatment costs around £300 (very roughly) - you would be taking a £30 share for approx an hours room lease and no outlay to yourself. Pretty fair.

You must check that the nurse is NIP qualified (nurse independent prescriber), otherwise she will not be working to NMC guidelines in the case of prescription injectables (botox), and will be in breach of section 11 of the Medicines Act. If she is NIP then no problem.

 

[essentia]

I personally do not think £30 is enough considering they are taking £300! They are using your facilities, your client base, your advertising etc. I would expect more. I think anything from £60 up to a third would be more realistic.:suprised:

 

[daisyl]

I personally do not think £30 is enough considering they are taking £300! They are using your facilities, your client base, your advertising etc. I would expect more. I think anything from £60 up to a third would be more realistic.:suprised:

depends how you look at it. A small percentage of a moderate amount is not bad, verses a large percentage of a small amount!

Of that £300 the practitioner has the outlay of the product cost and consumables, so we are not talking about profit, but takings. From the salon owners point of view - really they are taking money for not actually doing anything. There is also the argument that the client base is not only the salons. The practitioner can be expanding the client base.

I guess it really comes down to how many treatments are undertaken in any session. At £30/hour this can add up - certainly not to be sniffed at.

 

[essentia]

If you as a therapist are giving up your only work space it can actually be very little. If you have a facial client plus retail products you can easily get £100 revenue for an hour. The therapist is saving the nurse from renting her own room, overheads etc etc. I personally would not do this for £30. Just my opinion.:biggrin:

 

[daisyl]

If you as a therapist are giving up your only work space it can actually be very little. If you have a facial client plus retail products you can easily get £100 revenue for an hour. The therapist is saving the nurse from renting her own room, overheads etc etc. I personally would not do this for £30. Just my opinion.:biggrin:

essentia, if thats the case then great. If there are many salons out there easily taking £100/hour for a one room salon then fantastic - not sure there are though.

Like I say - I guess it depends upon how busy you are - its all relative.

Sounds like you are doing really well - good luck to you :wink2:

 

[essentia]

I certainly do not work every hour at that rate - I am highighting opportunity cost. The prinicple of what is possible to earn in one hour (I do earn this sometimes). Yes it does depend on the situation but it may be better long term to enhance a service with the associated retail benefits rather than rent out at £30/hour. I still think this is too cheap btw but may be beneficial to someone with a spare room as some revenue is better than none.

 

[hannah85]

I have to agree that I think 10% is too low. A Therapist on a percentage basis would usually take 30-40% and the rest goes to the employer and sometimes the Therapist buys the products too.
Thanks for you input guys!
H x

 

[botoxwales]

We do work in a few salons and they get 10% of the price the customer gets charged.

For this, we use their salon, they get the clients, and usually the customer pays them by credit card.

We just then get the cash minus 10% for them.

They are ALL very pleased with this arrangement. Money for nothing at the end of the day for them. Most are surprised when we offer them 10% !!!

 

[angelina221]

I think 10% is low too. I have a doctor who comes to my salon and i get an average of 30% which i think is a lot more reasonable :biggrin:

 

[daisyl]

I think 10% is low too. I have a doctor who comes to my salon and i get an average of 30% which i think is a lot more reasonable :biggrin:

30% of what though? Profit or takings? If you are getting 30% of takings then you are either actually making more than the professional, or very little profit for the doctor - which is ridiculous. Therefore, I can only assume you mean profit - in which case would equate to around 10 - 15% (as previously stated). It simply does not add up!

 

[daisyl]

I have to agree that I think 10% is too low. A Therapist on a percentage basis would usually take 30-40% and the rest goes to the employer and sometimes the Therapist buys the products too.
Thanks for you input guys!
H x

Again what you are not taking into consideration is cost of consumables, which in the case of medical aesthetics is very high. We are talking prescription medications and cosmetic injectables, so the comparison is not relative. Think about it! Geeks are not taking this into consideration and you are not relating percentages to profit and/or takings - big difference.

 

[angelina221]

30% of what though? Profit or takings? If you are getting 30% of takings then you are either actually making more than the professional, or very little profit for the doctor - which is ridiculous. Therefore, I can only assume you mean profit - in which case would equate to around 10 - 15% (as previously stated). It simply does not add up!

30% of takings. I have used 2 other companies before and i used to get 25% of takings with them.

 

[botoxwales]

30% of takings !!!! Money for nothing here !!!

Wouldnt do it for that. Like someone else said, you'd end up with more profit than us for doing none of the work.

When we do a few customers at a salon day the salon usually ends up with £70-£80 for basically doing nothing.

 

[skymark]

Well the salon doesnt exactly do nothing, they provide a space and facilities. It would cost a lot more than 70 to 80 quid to rent a space and equip it for a few hours elsewhere.

They are also coming into partnership where reputation is concerned which is very important and needs to be paid for fairly. A bad botox experience at a salon will not only damage the reputation of the botox provider but the salon too.

 

[botoxwales]

Well the salon doesnt exactly do nothing, they provide a space and facilities. It would cost a lot more than 70 to 80 quid to rent a space and equip it for a few hours elsewhere.

They are also coming into partnership where reputation is concerned which is very important and needs to be paid for fairly. A bad botox experience at a salon will not only damage the reputation of the botox provider but the salon too.

Yes, I agree it is a partnership. Yes, they find us the customers and also provide the space.

Fortunately, we've had nothing but good results so far so the salons are very pleased indeed. I think they see it as an extra service they can offer they're customers who might come in and pay for other stuff as well.

One salon was actually surprised when we offered them 10%. They thought they werent getting anything for it !!!!

Might add we also do salon staff for cost price too. This makes them very happy and works because they're advertising our service to customers because they look good !!!!

 

[SusanEvian]

One salon was actually surprised when we offered them 10%. They thought they werent getting anything for it !!!!

This must be a wind up, and I KNOW everyone will agree with me on this, you would not get many people who though you was going to not give them anything for using there premises.

Certainly know one in the South would say this.

They would want a return, service offering or not.

I see on one of your other older post's you was very quiet, you may need to address your commission policy.

Su x

 

[hannah85]

30% of takings. I have used 2 other companies before and i used to get 25% of takings with them.

How do u go about finding a freelance nurse or doctor? Is it a company?
H x

 

[botoxwales]

This must be a wind up, and I KNOW everyone will agree with me on this, you would not get many people who though you was going to not give them anything for using there premises.

Certainly know one in the South would say this.

They would want a return, service offering or not.

I see on one of your other older post's you was very quiet, you may need to address your commission policy.

Su x

No - work is picking up very well at the moment.

Completely serious about the one salon being surprised about getting any commision.