Brisa Or Bio Sculpture

[keeleyp]

Hi i have recently done a CND Brisa Gel course, since doing this I have had a few people say oh don't you do bio Sculpture nails they are allot better for your nails plus they come in all colours unlike Brisa!!

I am worried now I have chosen the wrong course, and cant afford to train in Bio Sculpture for a while?

Please can anyone advise. I am due to do a client next week, who has always had Bio sculpture and has a dark colour, I was thinking I could do Brisa gel and paint the colour on after?

Thanks

 

[adelekeegan1]

I use Brisa gel and love it because of its strength and beauty. I have the Brisa colours and often mix colours but since polish easily lasts from one appointment to the next I don't use it all the time.

I am not a Bio user myself but if they want a change of colour, you would have to soak it all off and start again when I can just buff off the colour and apply another gel mix or polish them.

There is a lot written about Bio being better for the nail but this has more to do with their advertising than fact - do a search on here and you will find a lot of discussion on it.

I think you have made a good choice - HTH

 

[keeleyp]

I use Brisa gel and love it because of its strength and beauty. I have the Brisa colours and often mix colours but since polish easily lasts from one appointment to the next I don't use it all the time.

I am not a Bio user myself but if they want a change of colour, you would have to soak it all off and start again when I can just buff off the colour and apply another gel mix or polish them.

There is a lot written about Bio being better for the nail but this has more to do with their advertising than fact - do a search on here and you will find a lot of discussion on it.

I think you have made a good choice - HTH

Thanks, I do like Brisa but i will just use a polish over the top i think.

Once i have done my final coat of Brisa gloss, is it ok then to apply polish? I have not yet used a colour after? Thank you again.

x

PS do you know what to soak them off in is it just acetone? the client said she has them wrapped in foil and soaked off?

 

[adelekeegan1]

After the Brisa gloss is cured just remove the inhibition layer with scrubfresh and then follow your usual polish routine. For people that wear polish all the time I personally don't bother with the top gloss - I just buff them to a soft shine.

I understand that Bio soaks off fairly quickly and many people soad a cotton ball in acetone and place it on the nail, then wrap in foil. I have always soaked off in small bowls (ramekins) sitting in a bowsl of warm water to speed up the process. HTH

 

[keeleyp]

Great i will try this next week, ill let you know how i get on. My confidence has been knocked a bit by a nail bitters nails i did a few weeks ago where they came off all but 2 but she had bitten them and had awful natural nais to start which really didnt help.

So just to clarify once i have removed the inhabition layer i can then apply the polish should i put a top coat of brisa gloss over that to finish sorry?

 

[adelekeegan1]

Great i will try this next week, ill let you know how i get on. My confidence has been knocked a bit by a nail bitters nails i did a few weeks ago where they came off all but 2 but she had bitten them and had awful natural nais to start which really didnt help. Nail biters are always a challenge - don't let it get you down

So just to clarify once i have removed the inhabition layer i can then apply the polish should i put a top coat of brisa gloss over that to finish sorry?

No, you cannot use the Brisa gloss over polish - just do your usual polish routine, I use Stickey base coat, 2 thin coats of polish and then heat dry top coat.

 

[keeleyp]

So i do gel, then gloss coat, wipe inhabition layer apply polish? sorry

 

[adelekeegan1]

So i do gel, then gloss coat, wipe inhabition layer apply polish? sorry

Yes thats right

 

[Zingara]

OK, Just a bit of input from someone who does both Bio and Brisa.

Firstly, I personally don't believe the 2 to be even comparable. They are totally different and sit very well alongside one another in a portfolio for different clients, so I would never choose one over the other. Yes, they are both gels, but IMO they are as alike as gel versus L&P.

Yes, if you want a change of colour with Bio you do tend to remove and replace. Actually I do occasionally infill but it is actually quicker to remove and start again! From when a client comes through the door, the gel is off and the nails prepped within 15 minutes, and are lovely and strong waiting for another application. It doesn't take more than 5 minutes to soak the Bio off....and I personally find this quicker than filing down! The nails are in contact with the remover for so little time they suffer no drying or adverse effects.

However, if I have a client who is tough on her nails, has french finish week in week out, never changes her style or colour and I have to regularly extend, then in my opinion, they are better off with Brisa. It is tougher on a heavy handed clients (although Bio extends very well and is very durable, duie to a good level of flexibility) That, by the way, is not to do with lifting.....I get no lifting ever with Bio (but do on occasion with other products). Its more to do with the strength of the enhancments and full on nail breakages!

I usually get any new Bio Clients converted to NNO's within 3 or 4 services (if they needed extending to start, the nails are grown out to a lovely length within a few weeks) and then the overlay is usually sufficient to protect against any breakages.

My colour clients aren't happy with polish over gel.....they do not believe it stands the test of time as long as a UV cured colour gel, and I have to say I tend to agree. Yes polish last longer on an enhancement than natural nail, but whether a file off or soak off colour gel....it does keep its colour and brilliance so much longer than polish.

To be fair.....the majority of clients for me are Bio Sculpture, and that has been driven by customer demand. I am lucky in that a huge proportion of my clientele are regulars, and new ones have come from word of mouth, asking for Bio Sculpture, as they love it on my other clients they have seen, but I wouldn't be without Brisa in my portfolio. I personally believe that having both has paid dividends and would pay for itself for any tech, so my best advixe woiuld be save some pennies to get both in....I think it will pay for itself in the very short term in a larger and loyal client base.

 

[keeleyp]

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OK, Just a bit of input from someone who does both Bio and Brisa.

Firstly, I personally don't believe the 2 to be even comparable. They are totally different and sit very well alongside one another in a portfolio for different clients, so I would never choose one over the other. Yes, they are both gels, but IMO they are as alike as gel versus L&P.

Yes, if you want a change of colour with Bio you do tend to remove and replace. Actually I do occasionally infill but it is actually quicker to remove and start again! From when a client comes through the door, the gel is off and the nails prepped within 15 minutes, and are lovely and strong waiting for another application. It doesn't take more than 5 minutes to soak the Bio off....and I personally find this quicker than filing down! The nails are in contact with the remover for so little time they suffer no drying or adverse effects.

However, if I have a client who is tough on her nails, has french finish week in week out, never changes her style or colour and I have to regularly extend, then in my opinion, they are better off with Brisa. It is tougher on a heavy handed clients (although Bio extends very well and is very durable, duie to a good level of flexibility) That, by the way, is not to do with lifting.....I get no lifting ever with Bio (but do on occasion with other products). Its more to do with the strength of the enhancments and full on nail breakages!

I usually get any new Bio Clients converted to NNO's within 3 or 4 services (if they needed extending to start, the nails are grown out to a lovely length within a few weeks) and then the overlay is usually sufficient to protect against any breakages.

My colour clients aren't happy with polish over gel.....they do not believe it stands the test of time as long as a UV cured colour gel, and I have to say I tend to agree. Yes polish last longer on an enhancement than natural nail, but whether a file off or soak off colour gel....it does keep its colour and brilliance so much longer than polish.

To be fair.....the majority of clients for me are Bio Sculpture, and that has been driven by customer demand. I am lucky in that a huge proportion of my clientele are regulars, and new ones have come from word of mouth, asking for Bio Sculpture, as they love it on my other clients they have seen, but I wouldn't be without Brisa in my portfolio. I personally believe that having both has paid dividends and would pay for itself for any tech, so my best advixe woiuld be save some pennies to get both in....I think it will pay for itself in the very short term in a larger and loyal client base.

Thank you I think I will save to do the Bio Sculpture course. The problem i have with Brisa is (may be me) i cant seem to create a apex they tend to be very flat?

 

[Chameleon]

Maybe and i know this is more money depending on budget,having a one to one,to counteract this problem...perfecting a technique before this is maybe what you need,before investing in more money for another course...

 

[adelekeegan1]

t

Thank you I think I will save to do the Bio Sculpture course. The problem i have with Brisa is (may be me) i cant seem to create a apex they tend to be very flat?

Have a read of this, it really helped me when struggling with the apex http://www.salongeek.com/nail-application/10070-brush-control-when-using-gel.html

 

[Urban Geek]

To be honest, I absolutely love Biosculpture but have used Brisa too. As has been said, you can't really compare the two systems. I do not use Biosculpture to extend nails or correct problem nails.

However, the problem you are experiencing in not being able to build an apex with Brisa is not a reason to change to another system. With the right skill, it is very easy to build an apex. You will need similar skill to do the same with Biosculpture.

I would suggest reading the link Adele has posted and following that up with a 1-2-1 with your educator. I am sure that will resolve your current problems.

Once you have the hang of Brisa then by all means add Biosculpture to your service menu.

 

[keeleyp]

Thank you I will read this, I would like to get my apex's right before i do another course, I may even just stick with Brisa as i do really like it.

Thanks
x

 

[geeg]

Thank you I will read this, I would like to get my apex's right before i do another course, I may even just stick with Brisa as i do really like it.

Thanks
x

Getting the right apex is not just about building thicker layers. It is about bead placement and leaving the product thicker in the centre down the entire length of the nail, instead of placing a bead say in the centre of zone two and then working it out ...

Do it like this. There will be no need to hold any fingers upside down (at least not with a gel likeCND Brisa that stays where you put it instead of running around the nail on curing.)

Place a thicker line of your gel down the centre of the nail and then drag small amounts from this centre line out to each side leaving the bulk of the product in the centre. Using your gel in this way builds a very strong and long lasting nail just as it does with L&P. Same structure same principal.

You can create two different types of overlays with just the Brisa Gel and there is no need for 2 different systems IMHO. As for natural nail overlay on a strong nail where you don't necessarily need an apex down the centre (the sort of person you'd normally only use Bio on ) I just use Brisa in the same way one would use Bio. I don't build an apex I just paint it on. I have never felt the need for 2 different systems as Brisa when used in this way is flexible and resilient.

 

[NoLimitNails]

I would agree with Gigi, you can mix all colours from Brisa, so no need for a lot of gel pots standing around waiting to be used.

It's very simple just to mix in front of the client, in no time you will learn just the right amount. Note the recipe on your clients card, and if it's a popular color, just mix a larger portion.

I have looked into colour gels other than Brisa, but I find it expensive to buy so many colors when I can mix in front of the client (and that was just for colour choice, don't know about quality compared to Brisa, so can't comment on that)

 

[july]

Hi, I ve trained in Brisa 2 years ago. I tried really hard to practice and not to loose hope that sometime my time will come down to less than 2hrs. A month ago, I gave up. I just didn't get the hang of it, I had lots of lifting, no matter how well I did my prep, how careful I stringed the gel etc. I ve sold my kit on ebay and took Bio up.
Its so much easier and money wise so much more viable. I charge £25 for nno which takes me 45min. I absolutly love it and wish I wouldve done this sooner.
Jules
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[geeg]

Hi, I ve trained in Brisa 2 years ago. I tried really hard to practice and not to loose hope that sometime my time will come down to less than 2hrs. A month ago, I gave up. I just didn't get the hang of it, I had lots of lifting, no matter how well I did my prep, how careful I stringed the gel etc. I ve sold my kit on ebay and took Bio up.
Its so much easier and money wise so much more viable. I charge £25 for nno which takes me 45min. I absolutly love it and wish I wouldve done this sooner.
Jules
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THAT'S A STRANGE COMMENT AS EVERYONE TELLS ME HOW VERY EXPENSIVE bIO IS AND HOW REASONABLE BRISA IS. Oops sorry for shouting ... too lazy to retype. I think Brisa is a very affordable system. It looks as though youhave used several different gels. Maybe you are more of a BT than a NT. Can't imagine why you couldn't use it but good luck whatever you use. Thank goodness your case is not a typical one. :green:

 

[Purple Rose]

I use Bio and I absolutley love it, but I have also just done the Brisa conversion and absolutely love that too!! I love the fact that bio has lots of different colours and is an absolutely wonderful NNO, however I'm not too good at sculpting it (yes I need to practice more) and I felt that the cut the cord deal was to good an opportunity to miss so I did the Brisa conversion and found that it gives the most wonderful Pink and White enhancement. It does have colours that can be mixed together however I'm not ready to do that yet and am quite happy with my Bio colours, but that doesn't mean I won't try it in the future.

You don't have to do both but I'm glad I do!! I also find I have clients ring me up for Bio Sculpture by name which is another bonus so could never get rid of it!!! xx

 

[july]

Hi, Gigi, in response to your message, I paid in excess of £1k -including travelling to/from Bridgend for my Brisa training. For the coversion to Bio, it was £435.
In terms of time, like I said, it's more profitable for me to do Bio. But it might be just myself. I tried various other gels -as you do- but Bio is by far the best choice -for me.
Jules