Can you get low odour acrylic?

[elliebabes33]

:lol: does anyone know if you can get low odour acrylic? I think I may now have asthma and it doesnt do me much good! lol When I qualify I may just have to stick to gel and silk nails as this doesnt seem to affect my health!

 

[NSINAILS]

:lol: does anyone know if you can get low odour acrylic? I think I may now have asthma and it doesnt do me much good! lol When I qualify I may just have to stick to gel and silk nails as this doesnt seem to affect my health!

Spa Nail Liquid from NSI is odorless. There are other odorless brands on the the market as well. It may take awhile to get a hang of the application (the mix ratio is usually a little different than traditional EMA liquids), but it might help.

Good luck!

 

[geeg]

You know what? Any product can be low odour if you use it correctly.

There are plenty of posts on the site to help you to minimise odour.

I think allot of it is in the mind as even odour fee prodcts and gels have vapours (even if they have no smell they are still there).

There is no reason at all for a product VAPOUR to trigger an asthma attack. NONE. If anything sets it off it would be the dust not the vapours. Filing creates dust. UNDERSTAND YOUR PRODUCTS.

Learn to minimize the dust by creating the finished nail with your brush instead of your file. And maybe follow manufacturer's guidelines for once and install correct ventilation as a primary objective instead of spending your money on a load of useless products or pretty curtains.

 

[NSINAILS]

You know what? Any product can be odour free if you use it correctly.

There are plenty of posts on the site to help you to minimise odour.

I think allot of it is in the mind as even odour fee prodcts and gels have vapours (even if they have no smell they are still there).

There is no reason at all for a product VAPOUR to trigger an asthma attack. NONE. If anything sets it off it would be the dust not the vapours. Filing creates dust. UNDERSTAND YOUR PRODUCTS.

Learn to minimize the dust by creating the finished nail with your brush instead of your file. And maybe follow manufacturer's guidelines for once and install correct ventilation as a primary objective instead of spending your money on a load of useless products or pretty curtains.

I wouldn't consider odorless nail liquids useless. The strong odors of nail products is one of the biggest complaints that clients have. Odorless products can make the salon environment more pleasant. Also, some people are more sensitive to smells than others - therefore odorless products could be a good choice for them.

 

[bellabeautie]

I do agree with Geeg... when I was using L&P the smell was quite strong and the girls in the hairdressers were saying it smelt quite strong downstairs. Now, I really take extra care when using the products, I empty my bin frequently, replace lids on dappen dishes as soon as ive finished them etc.. etc... I have found it has made a huge difference, and havent heard any comments on the smell for ages now. If the client doesnt mind, I also open the window whilst I am using it xx

 

[NSINAILS]

Found this on WebMD:

Other Causes of Asthma

Irritants. Many irritants, including tobacco smoke, smoke from wood-burning appliances or fireplaces, strong odors from perfumes, cleaning agents, etc., are all irritants that can trigger asthma. In addition, air pollution, occupational dust or vapors can also trigger an attack.

I'd give odorless products a try. They could help. Good luck to you.

 

[geeg]

I wouldn't consider odorless nail liquids useless. The strong odors of nail products is one of the biggest complaints that clients have. Odorless products can make the salon environment more pleasant. Also, some people are more sensitive to smells than others - therefore odorless products could be a good choice for them.

When did I say odour free products were useless? Don't put words into my mouth if you please.

Funny in 15 years in the salon none of my clients ever complained about odour because I managed it very well. It can be managed you know and very effectively if you know how and take the time to do it. The atmosphere in my 3 salons was extremely pleasant and we had 8 working nail technicians. We used all systems as one would expect in a top salon.

The only time we ever had a sensitivity problem was when using the odourless system we used. We ditched it after that ... naturally.

Odourless products still have vapours and dust so they are no less likely to cause problems than any other system if one is prone to asthma.. Also it is the AMOUNT of ppm's of vapour that make the difference and conscientious nail techs really do not have that strong a concentration of vapour (whether or not one can smell it) to be the primary cause of asthma attacks, DUST is the culprit and with odourless products it is most often uncured dust in the 'roll off' layer which is even worse for health if a proper extraction ventilation system is not installed at the work station.[/b]

I think the info from the site highlighted is very general and not related to our industry and gives no indication of at what concentration (ppm) vapour or dust can begin to affect anyone. Meaningless in my opinion. According to that, if you have asthma, you'd better not wear perfume .. don't clean your salon and give up work.
Everything can be managed if you are aware and you do not have to change the products you are happy using..

 

[mely-bely]

There are some wonderful odorless systems on the market today. INM has a great one called NOP. What I have found with odorless systems, however, that they do have a chemical smell to their vapour. Its not as loud as the traditional system, but I found the odorless vapor smell to be more offensive to me. It makes my eyes water, as opposed to the traditional smell - I love that one! I have asthma as well, and I have no issue at all with traditional acrylics.

Odorless systems are trickier to work with as well, it is a much drier consistancy and has an inhibition layer that has to be either filed off, or you can use a sealant, *I am referring to INM's NOP Sealant, to harden up the tacky layer.


Good luck!

 

[geeg]

There are some wonderful odorless systems on the market today.

What I have found with odorless systems, however, that they do have a chemical smell to their vapour. Its not as loud as the traditional system, but I found the odorless vapor smell to be more offensive to me. It makes my eyes water, as opposed to the traditional smell - I love that one! I have asthma as well, and I have no issue at all with traditional acrylics.

Odorless systems are trickier to work with as well, it is a much drier consistancy and has an inhibition layer that has to be either filed off, or you can use a sealant.

Really?

You say there are some wonderful odourless systems on the market today ... but you fail to say why any of them are wonderful and only highlight the negative things that you don't like about them. So why are they so wonderful?

What feature or benefit do thay have over traditional L&P's that makes them so wonderful other than the fact that they have less odour (which most all of us put up with to a greater or lesser degree depending how well we follow manufacturer's guidelines).

Perming solution stinks ... so? That is what we put up with if we want a perm. Modern acid perms stink even more ... so? That's what we put up with if we want a perm.

No L&P system is any better or worse than perm solution but we can manage to eliminate almost totally with good management. Never been into a hair salon that could do the same.

 

[Chameleon]

From my own experience having trained with OPI odour free....i would forgrt odour free acrylics,i hated the tacky residue to buff off,and got on better with absolute from OPI,the ratio i got on better with,and the application i found slightly easier,and i too copied and laminated Geeg's comments on eliminating odour,as i have not totally dismissed L&P over gel...omg did i just say that,someone give me another glass of veuve clicquot please:lol:

 

[NSINAILS]

When did I say odour free products were useless? Don't put words into my mouth if you please.

Funny in 15 years in the salon none of my clients ever complained about odour because I managed it very well. It can be managed you know and very effectively if you know how and take the time to do it. The atmosphere in my 3 salons was extremely pleasant and we had 8 working nail technicians. We used all systems as one would expect in a top salon.

The only time we ever had a sensitivity problem was when using the odourless system we used. We ditched it after that ... naturally.

Odourless products still have vapours and dust so they are no less likely to cause problems than any other system if one is prone to asthma.. Also it is the AMOUNT of ppm's of vapour that make the difference and conscientious nail techs really do not have that strong a concentration of vapour (whether or not one can smell it) to be the primary cause of asthma attacks, DUST is the culprit and with odourless products it is most often uncured dust in the 'roll off' layer which is even worse for health if a proper extraction ventilation system is not installed at the work station.[/b]

I think the info from the site highlighted is very general and not related to our industry and gives no indication of at what concentration (ppm) vapour or dust can begin to affect anyone. Meaningless in my opinion. According to that, if you have asthma, you'd better not wear perfume .. don't clean your salon and give up work.
Everything can be managed if you are aware and you do not have to change the products you are happy using..

I believe the site said that vapors, perfumes, etc. CAN be triggers (i.e. for some people, not necessarily for all). I guess you are the only one allowed to put words in other people's mouths :lol:

I just wanted to clarify your statment that "There is no reason at all for a product VAPOUR to trigger an asthma attack. NONE."

Anyways, why so combative to everyone's posts? Having a bad day are we???

 

[audrey]

i have to say when i first started l&p i thought i could'nt stand the smell too much for me but after a little research on using my products properly i have reduced the smell so much ie closed little bin, lid on monomer not constantly wiping (why i did that i'll never know) etc so i think it comes down to comon sence when using products and standing back taking a minute and think what can i do to sort my problem xxx

 

[geeg]

I believe the site said that vapors, perfumes, etc. CAN be triggers (i.e. for some people, not necessarily for all). I guess you are the only one allowed to put words in other people's mouths :lol:

I just wanted to clarify your statment that "There is no reason at all for a product VAPOUR to trigger an asthma attack. NONE."

Anyways, why so combative to everyone's posts? Having a bad day are we???

I never have such a thing as a bad day. :green:

Anything at all I'm sure in a heavy concentration CAN be a trigger.

I repeat that at the low concentration of ppm's in which a typical technician works (if they are following manufacturer's guidelines as they should) there is no reason why an asthma attack should be triggered ... none. I know many technicians who have asthma (let's face it, asthma is pandemic these days from ordinary pollution) who work quite happily and trouble free in their nail business.

I'm not combative (everyone's posts??? Another untruth??) ... I like the truth. I don't like scare mongers who are trying to flog a particular product by scaring people into believing that one thing is better than another or safer than another when it is not true. If that is being combative then that is your interpretation and yours alone.

 

[NSINAILS]

I never have such a thing as a bad day. :green:

Anything at all I'm sure in a heavy concentration CAN be a trigger.

I repeat that at the low concentration of ppm's in which a typical technician works (if they are following manufacturer's guidelines as they should) there is no reason why an asthma attack should be triggered ... none. I know many technicians who have asthma (let's face it, asthma is pandemic these days from ordinary pollution) who work quite happily and trouble free in their nail business.

I'm not combative (everyone's posts??? Another untruth??) ... I like the truth. I don't like scare mongers who are trying to flog a particular product by scaring people into believing that one thing is better than another or safer than another when it is not true. If that is being combative then that is your interpretation and yours alone.

OK, I see. I didn't realize there were any scare mongers participating in this forum. Maybe I missed something

 

[geeg]

Other Causes of Asthma

Irritants. Many irritants, including tobacco smoke, smoke from wood-burning appliances or fireplaces, strong odors from perfumes, cleaning agents, etc., are all irritants that can trigger asthma. In addition, air pollution, occupational dust or vapors can also trigger an attack.

I'd give odorless products a try. They could help. Good luck to you

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I'd call that scare mongering and trying to sell a product on the back of it.

That is my interpretation and I would guess many others. You of course I'm sure will differ. That of course is your right.

 

[NSINAILS]

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I'd call that scare mongering and trying to sell a product on the back of it.

That is my interpretation and I would guess many others. You of course I'm sure will differ. That of course is your right.

Gigi, I was simply giving the girl an option. My company also sells regular acrylic (and a heck of a lot more of it). I wasn't saying that one was better than the other.

The snipit on irritants was there just to make a point that your statement on vapors was wrong.

 

[ValencianNails]

As far as I'm aware... low odour monomer is higher up on the sensitivity ladder then 'regular' monomer, therefore, if you're an allergy prone person or who have allergy prone clients I would suggest using a 'regular' monomer and working 'smartly' with it rather than changing to a low odour product and increasing the chances of allergies... hope I'm making sense!

 

[spn01]

My 2 cents (pennies for you brit's) worth.

I educated a lady who had a suffered terribly with asthma and she was very concerned this career could be limiting for her.

Never once has she had an asthma issue at work. I must say her work environment is immaculate. She works with a tiled floor and her steam mop is her very best friend. She has a great working ethic with rubbish disposal, clean towels, sculpts with the brush not the file. (I can't wait to tell her about the scrubfresh on the pad trick).

There are more issues with pollen outside, dust in the house and the airconditioning in the car.

By working smart, we can all enjoy this fabulous industry and our health.
:hug:

 

[geeg]

Gigi, I was simply giving the girl an option. My company also sells regular acrylic (and a heck of a lot more of it). I wasn't saying that one was better than the other.

The snipit on irritants was there just to make a point that your statement on vapors was wrong.

My statement on vapour was and is not wrong when taken in context of a nail salon which is the business we are talking about is it not and in fact a point that I made clear form the start? ... the info given said nothing about concentration of vapours which changes everything. In fact the whole statement is extremely vague as these kinds of statements usually are..

I know my business and I've been taught by the best in the business ... can I refer you to Nail structure and Product Chemistry by Douglas Schoon.

If you care to carry on this fairly useless argument then feel free to take it to private message. For me I'm done.

 

[Nailsinlondon1]

I have to say I am with Geeg on this one, my take on it is this:
Low odour acrylic has the disadvantage that it is low odour, odour reminds us that we are working day in and day out with a chemical, the smell reminds us......
Just because you can't smell it, it doesn't mean it's not there in your breathing zone. Reducing odour doesn't not reduce the risk, it just reduces the smell.
The same safe precautions still apply, ventilation and extraction.

So you don't like the smell, your clients don't like the smell well simplezzzzzz.
Reducing odour is simple and there are ways to reduce this by at least 70%, keeping you safe, keeping clients safe and making for a good and sound working environment. Keeping a lid on your dappen dish, not wiping your brush on the desk towel but using a lint free pad soaked in scrubfresh or nail sanitiser, using a little metal bin with a flip down lid for any discarded pads aso, all this will reduce odour and vapours by about 70% or so.....

Is your ventilation/extraction system actually taking the vapours outside and providing an air exchange, drawing fresh air back into the room?? A very important point if you have problems with asthma aso.

If your breathing is affected by monomer check that you have good ventilation and make sure have air exchange between clients, check that you are not sitting right above your brush, with your nose in the product.

I have used odourless arcylic and I am not a huge fan. I found that it tends to go yellow with age, ok not bright yellow but it looks old and I was never happy with the longevity. I don't like the tacky layer that has to be buffed off.

Just remember just because you can't smell it, it doesn't mean its safer than something you can smell. Even something simple as water can be dangerous, but if you know what to look out for it can become fun.

SIMPLEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ !!!!!!