Continuing EduKashun

[Jane]

I think we're all in agreement here that education is important to us. But what exactly is out there for us? Learning more about nail disorders, anatomy etc. is, as the Geek pointed out is generic, I can sit at home and read books to improve my knowledge there. But what about hands on product training? Not having a dig here but what more can Creative offer me? Are there further education classes beyond the Masters to enable me to improve my skills? If there are I haven't heard about them and maybe I should have done via mailshots. I'd love to learn more. Yes I,ve done courses with other companies, but using their products and their techniques. That can get pretty confusing if you're already happy with the product line you're currently using. Which I am, Ret+, Acid Free primer and Perfect Color powders have worked very well for me, I have alot of very happy customers.
If anyone's got any education for sale I'll have some please.
Jane UK

 

[The Geek]

I see your point... but hers another one to consider....

Once you learn mix ratio (awww hell... cant I come up with a new one?!?!) do you find you never need to learn anything about it again?

I have heard people teach PREP over 1,000 times. Each time I learn something different. Why? Because every time, I bring a differing set of understanding to the class.

In any basic class, people retain 10% of the information presented. If that’s the case... you would be very lucky to learn everything the class had to offer only after attending it 10 times!

The catch is that every time you attend... the information is slightly tweaked and blended with newer technology and newer information as well as the point that the mix of people attending and the instructor themselves will change the content of the class based on a variety of different variables.

I guess the point is this: Even if you take class A in 2002, taking the exact same course in 2003 will give you even more information.

At least... that is in my opinion... and we all know about opinions :rofl:

 

[Jane]

Once you learn mix ratio (awww hell... cant I come up with a new one?!?!) do you find you never need to learn anything about it again?

There's always room for improvement, yes.

I have heard people teach PREP over 1,000 times. Each time I learn something different. Why? Because every time, I bring a differing set of understanding to the class

By going to the same class again yes you can learn more, especially if you go to a different educator within the same company. They all have different ways of teaching.
I often think that the people upstairs forget what it's like to be down here on the production line. Back to back clients everyday. Lunch break? what's that? We the nailtechs are the one's bringing home the bacon. We reap the financial rewards which are then passed on to the product companies, the harder we work the more products we buy.
Couldn't such companies as DN provide annual seminars designed specifically for continued education, the brushing up on skills, skipping the slippery slope of sloppiness etc If these were held at the One Stop academies it would boost their sales because you just know we'd buy more products (we can't help ourselves, we're pathetically weak :o )
And we like to gather in little packs.
Perhaps companies should start asking their nailtechs what they want instead of telling them.
Here in the UK we're hungry for further education but basically there just ain't enough.
Jane

 

[The Geek]

often think that the people upstairs forget what it's like to be down here on the production line. Back to back clients everyday. Lunch break? what's that?

Trust me... I haven’t. I am the one in charge of designing all of the education for Designer Nails and the Creative Nail Academies (with a great amount of help from our education team). Our courses are focused on giving our attendees solid skills and information that will make their job easier and more successful.
We tailor all of our courses to our market.
There isn’t anywhere else in the world that has our same Master Classes with the workbooks that go with them and the presentations that all 30 some odd academies teach by.

Couldn't such companies as DN provide annual seminars designed specifically for continued education, the brushing up on skills

For years we have tried to get annual seminars together.
We have tried to get an annual meeting of the masters. Last year almost saw it come off, but the amount of £££ and the sheer scope of it makes it very difficult to achieve. In the meantime we are looking to provide Master Mentoring days via invite only so that we can focus on small groups at a time. These will most likely be held at OSNS to try to keep costs down... but saying that, there are only a few OSNS's and I don’t want to limit attendees to locations. If we have these days at other academies (which is what I want to do) then we have to look at how to support the cost of the day as my goal is to offer these at no charge (fingers crossed).

What else is there? There isn't a whole massive amount that isn’t covered by the Master Classes we do.
Why go and develop a day seminar that ends up being what’s taught at one of the master classes? Why not just attend a master class? They change almost every year.

I’m not saying there isn’t anything more to do. There is plenty to do, but there is also plenty that we do (far more than any other company I can think of).
Many of our masters retake the Master Classes once a year. This keeps them up to date on new products, new techniques while revisiting the points that make them successful nail techs.

What type of content would you like to see that we don’t already offer?

 

[naturalnails]

I recently enquired about Master Classes in Coventry area which is quite close to me. However I was told that the Master classes are not held in Ellisons although other Creative training is. Is this likely to change? It would be reasonably easy for me to travel half an hour to get to a class but not more than an hour due to other time constraints.

 

[Jane]

I would like to see classes specifically directed towards the nailtech with a few years experience behind him/her. Day courses that each cover 2-3 subjects.
I will probably go do the sculpting course again this year because it's a particular weakness of mine but I prefer to sit along side other techs with a few miles on the clock rather than some that only did the foundation 6 months earlier. Don't get me wrong, in no way am I looking down my nose at anyone, I admire anyone who wishes to learn more. I hope you understand where I'm coming from.
( planet zog probably? :alien: )
Jane

 

[groovynails]

im doing my cnd conversion on tuesday ,and im wondering how to get the most out of the course ,so to the ones who have done the course is there any thing u wished you had asked or done. cause i dont want to get home after and think uuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrr i wish i had asked that.so with 2 days to go im getting really excited :shock: sad isnt it that im all excited about a bit of traing and trying a new product line ,but hey i cant wait

 

[PrettyDigits]

Hi there,

I love it when education is specialised. I agree with Mr. Geek. All you'll get is generic results...I went to nail school in the US and we got that generic training (although my school trained with all Creative products we did NOT have a Creative trained instructor!!) So I learned how to do generic nails with generic results and not learning to use my products properly. Each line has it's quirks and procedures. I think we should all search for our favourite line (this may take years) then once we find "the one" we stick with that and do all conitinuing education with that line. That's where I think the companies should stress. I think they should be as helpful as posible for us to love using their products so we stay long term with them. That's why you need to get a intro product kit for the class. I think of all my excess product as an investment...even if I never use that line again..at least I knwo what i DON'T like.

I think we shoudl get credit for continuing education like discounts in our insurance and by the way we should have cont ed classes in this kind of stuff too! How to run a proper business should be as mandatory as nail education should be. Not only do we have poor techs out there but also very uninsured ones as well. How about some proper filing technique classes & e-file classes?? These are few and far between and are very badly needed and should be mandatory. I've seen too many rings of fire. I just wish more classes incorporated these topics and weren't just product based.

Well that's my 2p on the subject. Thanks for reading my mess...lol.
Dorothy

 

[Little Angel]

im doing my cnd conversion on tuesday ,and im wondering how to get the most out of the course ,so to the ones who have done the course is there any thing u wished you had asked or done. cause i dont want to get home after and think uuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrr i wish i had asked that.so with 2 days to go im getting really excited :shock: sad isnt it that im all excited about a bit of traing and trying a new product line ,but hey i cant wait

Hi i am going to go on the conversion course and am particurly keen to learn sculpting i will be going to the leeds osns let me know how you get on! I already sculpt with gell but have only done l+p on tips. Wish i was going in 2 days! :green: LOL