Course accreditation and insurance-help

[kirk25]

Following the debate as I am, & reading between the lines that I am, & not wishing to cause any upset & please correct me if I'm wrong.

The general purpose of an accreditation is to implement some form of standard to an industry.

The provider of insurance in that industry should be impartial in as much as they are satisfied with whom ever has taken reasonable steps to achieve a standard to which they are happy to proceed with cover.

It becomes complicated when the insurer & the accredit-or is one & the same & attempts to not recognize others, causing almost a monopoly.

From reading some of the above I am deducing that the Guild are guilty of not recognizing others for insurance purposes if courses are not taken via Guild members. That in my opinion is not good nor healthy for the growth of an industry.

I made a reference to a recognized member of this board in an earlier post, based on her achievement, & that it was my wish to have my staff trained to that standard. If any of the above was true & my staff were partially trained for the same reason by a Guild member, then I would be some what discouraged from my pursuance of excellence by stepping outside the Guild for future training.

P.S Kim you have no need to feel choked you earned your reputation.

Doug xx

 

[kirk25]

Sometimes are just have to play by the rules of the game, we may not like or agree with them but we need to follow them in order to build our businesses.

Please don't think I'm picking on you, I'm really not. Have really read the above properly & that's your view on the subject?

I'm not sure about you, but in my many business's I am the master & they are my rules.

On a more Joking manner & of this topic, you have just highlighted the typical Britt attitude of following like sheep, this would lead to a whole new debate about the truth behind the World we live in or should I say "The Illusion" we are presented with, from those that rule us. Please don't start me on this one lol.

Sorry Doug again

 

[fozzyo]

Not at all ... It's great to actually have this debate and discussion. I hope Taft regulation is brought in to get this industry much more controlled and standardised.

Mat

Ps: What is The Matrix?

 

[kirk25]

Not at all ... It's great to actually have this debate and discussion. I hope Taft regulation is brought in to get this industry much more controlled and standardised.

Mat

Ps: What is The Matrix?

Its not quite as glamorous as the Matrix, but things are not as they seem. Do a google search of "Its an illusion" & start there. & you will see how like sheep we just follow the rules, simply because we lost sight of the truth.

 

[Kim Lawless]

Its not quite as glamorous as the Matrix, but things are not as they seem. Do a google search of "Its an illusion" & start there. & you will see how like sheep we just follow the rules, simply because we lost sight of the truth.

I like to think that I'm a black sheep

 

[kirk25]

Me too..... In fact I'm definitely a black sheep now

 

[hippy-chick]

I still think if you are a training school you should have had your courses approved by an accreditation company such as guild, babtac, vtct, it will be more attractive to your students and you will not have to spend time "justifying" your stance.

I personally have my courses accreditted through the guild and professional beauty. Both have read my course manuals that I submit and check that the insurance companies they use (both towergate) will cover the courses.

They also ensure that anyone teaching the courses is qualified to do so, and that they have teaching qualifications also.

I personally like that the checks are made. when a student rings me to ask about my courses, one of the most popular questions is........"is this course accreditted".

If I go on a course myself, the first thing I do is check who the course is accreditted with, if it wasn't accreditted and I really wanted to go on the course anyhow the first thing I would do is ring my insurance company and ask if they would cover me. What you will find is a good percentage of potential students will not bother with that phone call and just move on to the next academy in the area that IS accreditted.

good luck in your quest, and why not get doug to become a member of salon geek.

 

[kirk25]

The purpose of this debate led me to find out if accreditation was necessary.

I have since found out lots more information
In fact one of the companies you mentioned have requested to see my teaching qualification, course manuals and certificates and will then insure my courses....
All this without me having to pay a "company" for accreditation
Kirsty x

 

[kirk25]

I still think if you are a training school you should have had your courses approved by an accreditation company such as guild, babtac, vtct, it will be more attractive to your students and you will not have to spend time "justifying" your stance.

I personally have my courses accreditted through the guild and professional beauty. Both have read my course manuals that I submit and check that the insurance companies they use (both towergate) will cover the courses.

They also ensure that anyone teaching the courses is qualified to do so, and that they have teaching qualifications also.

I personally like that the checks are made. when a student rings me to ask about my courses, one of the most popular questions is........"is this course accreditted".

If I go on a course myself, the first thing I do is check who the course is accreditted with, if it wasn't accreditted and I really wanted to go on the course anyhow the first thing I would do is ring my insurance company and ask if they would cover me. What you will find is a good percentage of potential students will not bother with that phone call and just move on to the next academy in the area that IS accreditted.

good luck in your quest, and why not get doug to become a member of salon geek.

Hi, Doug replying! Not sure if I would survive as a member, as I like to analize everything & I'm not a great conformist to the Norm lol.

If I am right I believe we have established by debate, that accreditation facilitators & insurance company's are one and the same?

If you choose the route of accreditation, in most cases you would provide them with the relevant paper trail of your qualifications/ course work e,t,c in accordance with which you wish to teach/perform. You will then pay the required fee's to that company, & hey presto like magic you are now accredited & good to go. You will be pleased to know that your trainers/therapists will not be required to attend a course prepared by the accredit ors & they will be quite happy to take you at face value, @ best your salon may be visited just to see if you exist.

Simply using a company that most, or all of you may be aware of, The Professional Beauty Insurance Co. In the same manner to which you would approach an accreditation facilitator, you can do the same with most insurance providers specialising in the beauty industry, especially the above. With the same literature, they will validate you without an additional fee, & with respect you then are accredited by them.

It is my belief that only you can accredit yourself, by the quality of service you provide. Like many of you here, have already achieved an incredible standard of excellence in your field/fields, probably far beyond the credibility of the alleged accredit or, I will refrain from naming names as you have a habit of choking on me lol.

All of the above taken into consideration. I would change my opinion of the role of accreditation/ors if they sat a training course & standards for their members. To insure that each applicant achieved that standard.

 

[hippy-chick]

well you've made your mind up so great stuff.

good discussion subject.

 

[kirk25]

well you've made your mind up so great stuff.

good discussion subject.

Agreed its a good & use full subject. Nots so sure that its simply a matter of making your own mind up though.

We live & work in a tough enough world, things would be easier if others did not try to capitalize on our achievements, by charging for a service that others will give pretty much the same for FREE.

To simplify, Its my understanding that "PETTLS" is the minimum recognised level for teaching? I accept there are many ways of achieving this "standard", a course of some description has to be followed, to an assessment level. That in itself is what you are being accredited for, rightfully so, you PAID & learnt to achieve that standard. The question is Why should you "PAY" again to have that qualification recognised?

Some go on to "CETTLS" & "DETTLS" This is in my opinion the true route for on going accreditation.

Regards Dougie