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Mandita8601

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I have an interview next week for a hair removal specialist, working with transgender clients. Does anyone have any information that might help me at interview? I qualified in electrolysis in 2000 but have never needed it in salons i've worked in. Obviously that's quite a while. Has there been any changes the past few years to how it's carried out? eg length of time current is applied and intensity?
Also laser hair removal, any info on that would help. I think there will be training but it would be good to go for interview with as much info as possible.
Can anyone think of questions i may get asked? I know i'm asking alot but i'd really love the job and want to do my best without falling flat on my face
Thanks in advance xxx
 
I'm not trained in electrolysis but when it comes to hair removal (especially with transgendered clients), you might be asked at interview how you'd deal with sensitive issues what with how a lot of people feel really self conscious about hair/no hair etc.

Hope it goes well for you, good luck :)
 
I'm a transgender client who has had electrolysis. One thing that has stood out for me is how much better the Apilus electrolysis machines are compared with ordinary electrolysis machines, particularly in terms of comfort of treatment, and minimal skin reaction following the treatment. But I guess this would only be relevant if your potential employer uses Apilus; it's certainly been available for several years though, as I was having Apilus electrolysis treatment done back in 2000, as well as a few sessions this year too.

In terms of (male to female) transgender clients though - at the start of their electrolysis regime, many will have very dense facial hair growth often with thick, tough beard hairs; my understanding is that the most effective technique of tackling these sorts of hairs will be the blend method - this is because the combination of galvanic electrolysis (DC current which generates sodium hydroxide, "lye") with the heat from diathermy can be much more effective than either galvanic or diathermy alone - primarily because of the lye being much more effective at killing the hair follicle when heated by the diathermy. So the "kill" ratio for each insertion should be higher for blend compared with diathermy alone. The main disadvantage of blend is that it usually takes longer per insertion than diathermy - but this should be balanced out by it taking fewer sessions to kill off a given hair - particularly at the start of the treatment regime when hairs will be at their thickest and densest.

Another important consideration - particularly early on - when treating male to female transgender clients - is that some may still be working in the male role and not "out" to their work colleagues - thus you would want to work at "thinning" the beard density out gradually, rather than trying to clear a particular area completely - so as to minimise the chance of the client's facial hair distribution looking "out of place". That's another reason why the use of equipment such as Apilus - which minimises the amount of skin reaction and "collateral damage" can make such a big difference for transgender clients; back in early 2000, before my electrologist switched to using an Apilus machine, I would often get comments in work about my face looking really red and blotchy - and "was I OK?" - thankfully no-one guessed I was having electro; my mum thought I was eating too much chocolate which was causing me to have "zits"; however after switching to Apilus, there was a lot less skin reaction. So any steps you can take to minimise skin reaction and redness for your clients can make a big difference to their wellbeing. My current electrologist also uses the "cataphoresis" function on her Apilus machine to treat the skin following an electrolysis treatment; this runs the DC current with reverse polarity to the galvanic electrolysis - so hydrochloric acid is created on the face rather than sodium hydroxide - and the current is applied via a metal roller - this treatment helps neutralise any lye left in the skin following blend electrolysis, as well as helping to close up the treated hair follicles to reduce the risk of bacterial infection.

In terms of "modality" of treatment (e.g. blend vs. diathermy), later on in a client's treatment regime, you should find that any regrowth of previously treated hairs should be a lot finer; if you have a machine such as an Apilus which offers a "flash" diathermy mode, then you may be able to save time by switching to "flash" mode for the finer hairs; unlike the tough beard hairs which really benefit from the extra effectiveness of the blend method, the finer regrowth hairs should respond a lot more effectively to the quicker flash technique. Although please do ensure that an appropriate power level is used, so as to avoid skin damage. I would always prefer blend for tougher hairs rather than trying to max out the power on flash and end up with pitted skin as a consequence!

In terms of pain levels, the top lip just underneath the nose is probably the worst area to treat; one electrologist I went to said it was absolutely necessary to have that area treated though, if you wanted to avoid looking like the infamous German dictator that we fought against during World War II! So this is one area where client comfort is paramount; if a client absolutely can't tolerate the pain level of blend in that area, then switch to flash (or vice versa)... also you may be wise to tell your clients that they would likely experience less pain if they eat a decent sized meal before they come to you for treatment (or maybe pop a paracetamol or ibuprofen pill); there was one particular electrolysis session that I went to back in 2000 (pre-Apilus), where I was running late and had skipped breakfast, that I had to ask to end in the middle before my hour was up - simply because I was finding the pain so intolerable; conversely I found that the pain was a lot more tolerable after eating a big bowl of Weetos!

One of the real benefits of treating transgender clients is that it's hard to find a more loyal client base for electrolysis; most transgender clients will need at least 100 hours of electrolysis in total; people with especially dense hair growth may need 2 or 3 times that - so if you are able to provide an exceptional service, you should find that repeat business is pretty much guaranteed. An important consideration with transgender clients too is that electrolysis is the only recognised *permanent* method of hair *removal* - laser and IPL only offers hair *reduction* by comparison; electrolysis also effectively treats lighter coloured hairs that wouldn't be suitable for treatment by laser or IPL.

Hope that helps anyway; it's a mixture of my own experiences as a client, information I've picked up during the treatments I've had, and research I've done around the subject.
 
I guess another issue you may encounter is what name a client wants to be called; my preference (when going for treatments like electrolysis etc) is to be called Ruth, even if presenting in "androgynous" mode.

Bear in mind that this may also change as a client progresses through their transition - e.g. some clients may initially want to be called by their male name when presenting as male or androgynous early on in their treatment regime - but may then choose to be called by their female name post-transition.

This will be something that you would need to be aware of on an individual client basis - it's always better to ask someone what they prefer than make assumptions.
 
Some great info there Ruth, thanks so much! I hadn't thought about the name changes either. Is there anything i should really avoid saying? things i might not realise are offensive xx
 
Some great info there Ruth, thanks so much! I hadn't thought about the name changes either. Is there anything i should really avoid saying? things i might not realise are offensive xx

One thing in particular - if someone is presenting as female, never call them "he" or "him"... it's really jarring!
 
Ruth you really are a fountain of knowledge :)

I thought I'd read the thread as I teach electrolysis and thought I might be able to offer some advice, but you've said everything I would have said, and them some!! Gold Star for you! :hug:

Good luck with your interview, as long as you're honest with them about how long it's been since you've used this part of your qualification, I'm sure you will be fine, and if they want you, they will train you to their standards anyway. xx
 
Hormones! Depending on what stage of transition TG clients are at, some will definately be taking feminising hormones. They will affect their skin and hair, therefore affecting treatment. It will be noticeable if their levels change. Please note that it takes some clients time to get their prescription and I know that some take hormones gained over the internet as they get frustrated at waiting for assessment. Some electrolysis practitioners prefer a GP referral for electrolysis as gender issues may be an indication or other psycological problems. (No offence to any TG!):lol:
 
Thankyou, yes i plan on being honest i don't think it would do me any favours otherwise. I'm just trying to think of questions i might get asked. Maybe overthinking it now lol
 
Hormones! Depending on what stage of transition TG clients are at, some will definately be taking feminising hormones. They will affect their skin and hair, therefore affecting treatment. It will be noticeable if their levels change. Please note that it takes some clients time to get their prescription and I know that some take hormones gained over the internet as they get frustrated at waiting for assessment. Some electrolysis practitioners prefer a GP referral for electrolysis as gender issues may be an indication or other psycological problems. (No offence to any TG!):lol:

The job is with the NHS so will be clients referred that way. What kind of effects on the skin? more sensitive?
 
Hormones! Depending on what stage of transition TG clients are at, some will definately be taking feminising hormones. They will affect their skin and hair, therefore affecting treatment. It will be noticeable if their levels change. Please note that it takes some clients time to get their prescription and I know that some take hormones gained over the internet as they get frustrated at waiting for assessment. Some electrolysis practitioners prefer a GP referral for electrolysis as gender issues may be an indication or other psycological problems. (No offence to any TG!):lol:

Well said! I'm one of those "awkward" TGs who wants to have my cake and eat it (as in wanting to be as feminine as possible whilst not affecting my fertility), so haven't taken the hormone route myself; however the advantage of hormones in terms of electrolysis is although they probably won't have much effect on existing hair growth, they are known to reduce or even stop any new hairs from growing. Although I've heard stories of people's pain thresholds being affected by hormones though (usually causing them to feel pain more acutely) which could mean they can't tolerate as high a current as they might have done before they started hormone treatment...
 
The skin whilst on hormones becomes softer and more translucent - hairs in the begining are usually still tough, so you have soft skin and tough hair. Bruising of the skin may be more prevalent in these clients as the levels of oestrogen are stabilising. Sometimes I notice an increase or a drop in beard growth after they have changed/taken hormone doses. Many will say that it does not actually affect it but it does. Well controlled and monitored clients get the best outcomes. It also depends on what age the client takes hormones as to the level of success they acheive.
 
Thanks everyone for the great info! xx
 

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