Gel overlay Problems

[anaisbeauty]

Been practising gel nails (french) on a friend and when i did my training at NSI they said it lasts spprox 6 weeks, but i am finding that it doesn't even last a few days and then it cracks and chips off?
Any ideas what i am doing wrong?

 

[adelekeegan1]

Are we talking fingers or toes here ?

 

[stoney]

Emmm, should not be cracking on fingers or toes. Having said that it wouldn't last 6 weeks either, without maintenance.

What's you procedure, step by step?

See if we can help?

 

[Bagpuss]

Hiya ... I would say 6 weeks is a bit much....they might well last but do we really want our clients going 6 weeks...?? mine come every 3-4.

I would say if yours are only lasting a few days then its down to your application or prep....unless its only the odd one nails then it could be the client.

I have found that in some cases people who do gel NNO tend to apply like polish....its too thin. Although if the natural nail isn't long you don't need an apex you should still be building the nail to a degree to give strength against the flexibility of the natural nail.

The natural nails bends and when this happens on gel thats too thin it will crack the gel...so the gel needs to be applied thicker in zone 2 and 1...keeping very thin in zone 3

I am unsure what the prep is with NSI...so cant help there.

 

[MINKUS]

Been practising gel nails (french) on a friend and when i did my training at NSI they said it lasts spprox 6 weeks, but i am finding that it doesn't even last a few days and then it cracks and chips off?
Any ideas what i am doing wrong?

I'D agree that 6 weeks is being a tad ambitious:green:

How long were the nails that you were doing nno's on?

I agree with bagpuss - i'd hazard a guess your working too thin and if you add a bit of 'structure' to the nail ie BUILD instead of just paint on - you should notice an improvement.

Toes - different kettle of fish you 'may' get 6 weeks out of it and you 'can' pretty much just apply like polish.

hth

Amb xx

 

[Doorie]

a friend of mine keeps her NNO for 6-7 weeks (I don't do her nails... but I see her everyday) and she has no lifting, it just simply grows. (ok she usually has an infill every 3 weeks but once missed her apt)

so it CAN stay for that long on your hands, but you need to have the perfect natural nails -too!

but yeah, they are built like normal nail enhancement, so there is an apex (as they're a bit long) and the nail can never move.
AnD she's quite used to having her nails done so I think it helps, too.

 

[anaisbeauty]

Its on her hands, i have been painting it on like nail varnish, i will try building it thicker then and see if that works, thanks for your help

 

[MINKUS]

Its on her hands, i have been painting it on like nail varnish, i will try building it thicker then and see if that works, thanks for your help

It should do - let us know !

Thin first layer....cure

build in strength, cure - fille if you need to - always look at the side view too whilst building, keeping nice and thin at cuticles, side walls and towards free edge.

Get lots of friends and family to practise on.

 

[stoney]

a friend of mine keeps her NNO for 6-7 weeks (I don't do her nails... but I see her everyday) and she has no lifting, it just simply grows. (ok she usually has an infill every 3 weeks but once missed her apt)

so it CAN stay for that long on your hands, but you need to have the perfect natural nails -too!

but yeah, they are built like normal nail enhancement, so there is an apex (as they're a bit long) and the nail can never move.
AnD she's quite used to having her nails done so I think it helps, too.

Of course it can, we did not say it would not stay on for 6-7 weeks, it will stay on till it is buffed/soaked off BUT without proper maintenance it can not have looked very nice? There will be a gap at the eponychium, the natural nail will be showing at the natural free edge and the apex will be out of place, throwing the whole balance of the nail off. They are likely to be long & 'tip heavy' causing them to crack/split.

 

[anaisbeauty]

What i do is
put a thin layer of nsi radiant pink
cure for two mins
Add white tip with brush on white
cure for two mins
add a layer of builder clear
cure for two mins
add glaze and go
cure for two mins and then they are set

 

[Doorie]

Of course it can, we did not say it would not stay on for 6-7 weeks, it will stay on till it is buffed/soaked off BUT without proper maintenance it can not have looked very nice? There will be a gap at the eponychium, the natural nail will be showing at the natural free edge and the apex will be out of place, throwing the whole balance of the nail off. They are likely to be long & 'tip heavy' causing them to crack/split.

there is a gap but no lifting. still with someone whose nails don't grow fast, and don't have many ridges, it looks nice and she just adds a coat of top coat on the gap to make the whole nail shine and it's done...
and with a cover gel you don't see the nn under. and it does make your hands look longer and thinner (when everything's done correctly, good coverage, smile line, etc)

right for the apex, it obviously was out of place. but the c-curve she has makes it less likely to break.

again not everyone can have that, and she usually has an infill every 3 weeks. but it is possible if your client "meets all requirements".

and Anais, I think you forgot your prep...

 

[stoney]

I don't do a tacky later with nno. I prep the nail and go straight on with the brush on white, then build my apex with either sheer pink or blush, then i use finish clear. (That's just me though, I'm not saying you should do that, I just prefer that from experience.)

Are you refining the nail before you add the glaze 'n' go?

I've had problems with this before. Glaze 'n' go needs a non-shiny surface or you get bad cracking. You can use it on gel, just make sure the surface of the gel has no shine and it's not too smooth.

HTH

 

[anaisbeauty]

Of course i do prep just was explaining what i do with the gels

 

[anaisbeauty]

no i don't refine the layer, how do you do that? yes i add glaze and go straight after the two minute cure of the builder clear

 

[Doorie]

with a... 180 grit? I don't know how NSI works... so maybe a 220?

 

[stoney]

no i don't refine the layer, how do you do that? yes i add glaze and go straight after the two minute cure of the builder clear

Just like you would when using a tip/overlay? Once you have built your apex, you then need to refine the shape yeh?

Well thats why the surface of the nail is cracking, its the glaze 'n' go.

So, you need to build an apex, refine the nail and then add glaze 'n' go.

Im really surprised you weren't taught that though, not like NSI!

Can you fill out your profile too, when you get the chance. Will help loads.

Let us know how you get on.

 

[debs4711]

Been having the same problem and just found out from my educator at Nsi that it is the Glaze n Go!! Apperently Glaze n Go was designed for Acrylic but can be used on over Gel. I am now going back to Finnish Clear.