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[NOODLETASTIC]

Hiya

I saw my sister today who gets her nails done by a Creative trained master technician. She has l&p natural overlays and has a rebalance every two weeks.

I was interested to see her nails as I've got lots to work on with the enhancements I do as I'm a beginner but I was supprised to see major lifting on several nails and slight lifting on a couple others. She only had them done yesterday.

I explained all the different possible causes of lifting. Incorrect or not a thorough enough prep,product touching the skin, hands in detergent a lot, somtimes medication etc. I asked what this nail tech does to begin with and apparently she hasn't cleared away any cuticle in ages, do you think this is the main reason for the lifting? In my sisters words, she files the nails then white blocks, wipes over with something and then applies new product.

She then proceeded to tell me that after every visit she has a painfull burning sensation along her sidewalls. Not always the same nails but she tells me that by filing along the sidewall the burning begins to ease.

My question is what do you think is causing this burning? is the product applied or the product too wet?

I didn't poo poo the tech to my sister as I wasn't there when she had them done and I am no way experienced enough to judge, which is why I thought I'd put it to you guys.

Any thoughts?

She says she has told her nail tech about the lifting before and she is told oh it's just because your hands are in water too much (although they aren't).

Thanks

 

[adelekeegan1]

Just a thought, I originally had my nails done at a 'Creative' salon (it had posters and product on the desk.

The tech told me she was a Creative master - bear in mind this meant nothing to me at the time, I didn't know anything at all about nails.

I subsequently found out that they were Creative pots but not product and the girl wasn't even Creative trained.

There are many out there doing this - could this be the same situation ?

That salon closed down 18 months ago by the way.

 

[Peter Pan]

Hiya

I saw my sister today who gets her nails done by a Creative trained master technician. She has l&p natural overlays and has a rebalance every two weeks.

I was interested to see her nails as I've got lots to work on with the enhancements I do as I'm a beginner but I was supprised to see major lifting on several nails and slight lifting on a couple others. She only had them done yesterday.

I explained all the different possible causes of lifting. Incorrect or not a thorough enough prep,product touching the skin, hands in detergent a lot, somtimes medication etc. I asked what this nail tech does to begin with and apparently she hasn't cleared away any cuticle in ages, do you think this is the main reason for the lifting? In my sisters words, she files the nails then white blocks, wipes over with something and then applies new product.

She then proceeded to tell me that after every visit she has a painfull burning sensation along her sidewalls. Not always the same nails but she tells me that by filing along the sidewall the burning begins to ease.

My question is what do you think is causing this burning? is the product applied or the product too wet?

could be product too wet, and also the tech being too heavy handed when filing, there is no need for this type of filing in my opinion.

I didn't poo poo the tech to my sister as I wasn't there when she had them done and I am no way experienced enough to judge, which is why I thought I'd put it to you guys.

Any thoughts?

She says she has told her nail tech about the lifting before and she is told oh it's just because your hands are in water too much (although they aren't).

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[NOODLETASTIC]

Hi Adele,

Thanks for the reply.

I definately know she is a creative tech and has done her masters as my sister has seen her certificates and I happen to know another tech that used to work with her. She has been working for herself for 4 years and previously worked in a salon for a few years.

I've not commented on what my thoughts are to my sister as it's not very professional but I don't know what to say to my sister about the burning.

I'd do her nails but I am not at a skill level to create the right shape and smoothness of the product. I'm working really hard on my brush control but the enhancements I create aren't perfect enough for what my sister is used to.

I couldn't tell you what products she is currently using though.

 

[Bagpuss]

I would guess that her mix ratio is wrong and thats causing shrinkage (which can cause pain) and lifting !!

 

[adelekeegan1]

I'm sure you could do a good set - you might take longer, discuss it with your sister, maybe do one nail.

It doesn't sound as though she is getting a good service now and she may be more than willing

 

[NOODLETASTIC]

thanks guys.

My sister did mention they hurt when I said about you can get a bruised feeling on the nails when tips are sized too small and the product shrinks but I wasn't sure as she said they are natural overlays....but you saying that now makes sense.

So even too wet product can cause shrinkage pain........aaaah I'l remember that.

I am going to suggest that I'll be happy to do her nails but I can't beat 30-40 mins for a rebalance! To be honest I think she feels she should be loyal as she's done her nails for over 4 years.

 

[fiona wallace]

She can 't possibly do a proper 'rebalance' in 30-40 minutes can she? Does your sister have french or just a natural overlay?

 

[NOODLETASTIC]

She has one colour and then french painted.

If I do a rebalance it takes me almost as long as a full set which is about 1.5 - 2 hours. Not quite sure if that's way too long.

 

[nailartist]

It sounds to me like this tech should be spending more time in PREP! From how you described it, she's not removing the non-living tissue, and just barely removing shine with that white block. A Master's certificate doesn't mean anything if her skills aren't up to par; and lifting after just a few days could be a sign of improper prep or of incorrect mix ratio--or both. I agree with the other posters about the origin of the pain--it could be that your sister's nail plates were overfiled, and the shrinkage is "putting the squeeze" on them. I can't figure out why filing down the sidewalls would ease the pain, though. That's odd!

Talk your sister into letting you work on her. Consider her a "guinea pig" and charge less, or not at all. She may end up a client for life

 

[NOODLETASTIC]

Yes will convince her to let me do them and as I get better and better, like you say she could be another permenant client. )

 

[~Emmsybabes~]

She has one colour and then french painted.

If I do a rebalance it takes me almost as long as a full set which is about 1.5 - 2 hours. Not quite sure if that's way too long.

It takes me roughly 2 hours to reassure you a little hunny, you're not on your own,
And over time I have realised that I will NOT be rushed.
Clients now know I take a while longer than some salons mabey do, But this is only because I am thorough and wont skip anything, I have to be as happy as I can with the set I am doing,
And the extra 20 minutes gives the client a LOT of extra time with their nails,..well worth it..

Now back to original point,
I once had a nail done by somebody and by the time I got home I couldnt wait to grab for the file to file the sidewalls too...(was NOT a geek btw lol)
The pressure from the tip plus the added product was digging into my sidewalls,And REALLY hurt me,
that had a bit of a burning sensation too,
I only had to do a few swipes of the file to relieve that pressure,
The person that did my nail, was not a geek although was also not a person you would have expected to get this type of pain from at all...

 

[NOODLETASTIC]

Emmsybabes,

YES! that's exactly what my sister said, a bit of a file and the pain started to go.

I'll tell her what you guys have said and she can make her own conclusion, although I personally don't feel she is getting a good service at the moment.

This is such a great site. Am trying to get my friend who trained with me to sign up too as there's so many great threads and tutorials.

 

[~Emmsybabes~]

Yup,
I knew mine wasn't product shrinkage, as the pain wasn't on my nail plate,
It was the skin on the sides of my fingertip, imagine putting a crocodile clamp on the end of your fingertip from the underneath so its sqeezing the skin ...thats what it was like!

The tip and l+p overlay were really digging in, I had marks when I filed them ouchy !

 

[Retired]

Sounds like you've already had some fantastic advice on here. Perhaps the "tech" is cutting corners to get more clients in? Have you tried practicing with poppits, yet? That way your sister can have the best of both worlds. Just a thought.

 

[aliceellen1974]

She has one colour and then french painted.
.

why would a master creative nail tech do this?

i am not a master but i do pink and white acrylic!

I dont get that?????

 

[nicky's nails]

Yup,
I knew mine wasn't product shrinkage, as the pain wasn't on my nail plate,
It was the skin on the sides of my fingertip, imagine putting a crocodile clamp on the end of your fingertip from the underneath so its sqeezing the skin ...thats what it was like!

The tip and l+p overlay were really digging in, I had marks when I filed them ouchy !

this is what mine used to feel like when i had mine done, and i too used to take file to the sidewalls (although i didnt know that was waht they were called lol) i just used to try and relieve the pressure and believe me it did,

so i can totally understand where she's coming from

i think if you can convince her to let you even do one nail hun, and she can see the diff, ie no pain no pressure etc , im sure she would see the benefit, even if it does take longer hun

fingers crossed she will see sense

and can i just aplaud you for not slaggin the other tech off, your professionalism (is that a word lol) is to be comended and your sister should see this hun and realise your not just out to get her as a client, you are geniunely worried about any possible damage to her nails, good for you girl xxx:hug: