Lifting and filing question

[Lemmonie]

Hi ladies.

I have purchased some Mercia product(sallys on brand i believe) and did a full set on a friend using the product. Despite my meticulous prep the nails all fell off after 2 days!!
After a call to the manufactuer it appears the prblem was with the monomer as it is Benzol peroxide free and needed to be "heated" prior to use.
So retried on another of my very kind friends (one nail this time!) and it appears to work!

However I also did a full set on myself before the heating trial and i have some extensive lifting which I have filed down and then infilled. My problem is i can still see the "join" lines between origonal lifting and new product.
I am still fairly new and whilst very confident in my application my infill work clearly needs more practise.
Any tips on filing and blending the lifted areas?
Would using acetone and a cotton bud to soften the edge work or screw up the chemical process?
Even very gentle buffing has still rendered me with a visable line!

Anyone got any photos or before filing/buffing and after?

Any tips greatfully recieved.

 

[loubylou]

Have a look in the tutorial section on the site and you will find one for the rebalancing,
i think it is called the forever french rebalance,

as for the products you are using they are very low end and not of a good quality so you will have lots of problems with it,
you would be better to invest in products from the well known and respected companies
Creative
Ezflow
OPI
NSI
Young nails
these are just a few names to get you started but you will see for yourself on the site what everyone uses,

yes using acetone to aid the rebalance will caause service breakdown from interfering with the chemical balance, hth :hug:

 

[xAnnaBannAx]

I agree with louby....I really wouldnt even consider buying products such as liquids and powders from Sallys...a high street shop NOT a professional shop....choose a good product company and go get trained with them on how to use that product correctly its money well spent...you will waste more time and money buying rubbish products and without the training as well x

 

[nailzoo]

I think you should do some research, get a decent product and some decent training.

Benzoyl Peroxide is never added to liquid monomer.

You will however find it in the powder (polymer).

Weren't you the person that did a 2 day course back in November 2008, i think it's time to invest some money (I remember you also wanted the free course) for an update with a reputable company and supplier (we offered this advice many times over).

Seems you are still driving an Austin Healey while hubby sells BMW.

 

[Lemmonie]

I am constantly being trained.

I have a fab tutor at college who is training us in "application" rather than product.

I dont think my questions are related to the product as im sure you will get lifting from any product incorrectly applied etc.

The reason for my purchase is simply cost related. Whilst learning I would like to make all my cock ups with something that was cheap.

I plan on further training once I have completed my Level 2 and have mastered some "skills" such as application technique and filling and sculpting etc. And ive no doubt it will be with Creative .

HOWEVER in the meantime some constructive advise is most welcome

oh and PS the comment about benzol peroxide free monomer needing to be heated was from the manufacturers mouth direct which to be frank is a bit worrying!

Still the advise about heating it has done the trick and ther is no lifting as we speak.

 

[xAnnaBannAx]

I am constantly being trained.

I have a fab tutor at college who is training us in "application" rather than product.

I dont think my questions are related to the product as im sure you will get lifting from any product incorrectly applied etc.

The reason for my purchase is simply cost related. Whilst learning I would like to make all my cock ups with something that was cheap.

I plan on further training once I have completed my Level 2 and have mastered some "skills" such as application technique and filling and sculpting etc. And ive no doubt it will be with Creative .

HOWEVER in the meantime some constructive advise is most welcome

oh and PS the comment about benzol peroxide free monomer needing to be heated was from the manufacturers mouth direct which to be frank is a bit worrying!

Still the advise about heating it has done the trick and ther is no lifting as we speak.

The advise you have been given is constructive...application and product go hand in hand dont they??? You need to learn correctly how to APPLY the PRODUCT....they are not really seperate are they? different brands/companies teach different things, different techniques, the products use different ratios etc etc to walk into Sallys and buy cheap products off the shelf really is not helping you to learn application imo, you know what they say....buy cheap....buy twice! x

 

[NSINAILS]

You mentioned something about seeing the join lines where the acrylic was lifting. NSI has a product specifically designed to eliminate fill lines called Line Out. That may help. Check it out.

 

[nailzoo]

You mentioned something about seeing the join lines where the acrylic was lifting. NSI has a product specifically designed to eliminate fill lines called Line Out. That may help. Check it out.

Line out is for lazy techs that can't be bothered and will never learn how to overcome this simple problem by using correct application and filing techniques.

Feeding lazy habits by a supplier making a cover up product (those lines, which are actually air gaps harbor bacteria and will never provide the strength of correctly applied acrylic) to seal it in is quite irresponsible and a money grab, it will eventually lead to service breakdown and the possible loss of a client, along with your reputation.

 

[Lemmonie]

Hi,
I have seen that Line out too but I couldnt really see it being all that as then everyone would be using it and CND would probably have something similar!!

Guess its just a case of buff buff buff buff etc to it goes!

Which is what i have been doing and when i run my finger along i can not feel the join but still see it

 

[Vetty]

I am constantly being trained.

I have a fab tutor at college who is training us in "application" rather than product.

I dont think my questions are related to the product as im sure you will get lifting from any product incorrectly applied etc.

The reason for my purchase is simply cost related. Whilst learning I would like to make all my cock ups with something that was cheap.

I plan on further training once I have completed my Level 2 and have mastered some "skills" such as application technique and filling and sculpting etc. And ive no doubt it will be with Creative .

HOWEVER in the meantime some constructive advise is most welcome

oh and PS the comment about benzol peroxide free monomer needing to be heated was from the manufacturers mouth direct which to be frank is a bit worrying!

Still the advise about heating it has done the trick and ther is no lifting as we speak.

If you are using low-end product how do you know if your problems are down to the product or your own skill? When you're learning you need to have faith in your products and if you know you are using high-end product and have problems you can be reassured it's something you are doing wrong.......

Rebalancing is a skill and the success of it is linked to your original application. If the lifting is severe enough you will never eliminate the line, as your application gets better you will have easier rebalances.

 

[Lemmonie]

So,

I have brought cheap and nasty product with which i had a lifting issue.
Got some advise (re temp) now it appears to be A OK.

But my own nails have some lifting from where i tried the product before i recieved the advise.

So now i need to correct this fault.

I am quite sure that come infill time on the newly applied nails using the temp advise it will be so much easier asthere will be no lifting to remedy.

Prehaps im not explaining myself well enough......

 

[nailzoo]

Hi,
I have seen that Line out too but I couldnt really see it being all that as then everyone would be using it and CND would probably have something similar!!

You have just said something very interesting.

You have inferred that if it was any good CND would have it (you are probably right), it also demonstrates you have a a respect for CND and their products and knowledge ......... why not use it yourself, rather than battle with pharmacy brand that tells you lies, it's an investment in your reputation.

I'm not a CND user, but I respect their techniques, products and education. It's the BMW product, but you are still using the Austin Healey products and expecting the same results.

DOES NOT COMPUTE !!!!!!!!!

 

[Lemmonie]

It sounds so lame but it really is a question of cash flow.

I have spent over £1,000.00 on training (a 2 day course, NVQ2, Waxing and Spray Tanning) as well as more on equipment.

I have a small client base and am a long way off breaking even financialy.

Out of my treatments, nail enhancements is the most difficult to master, longest to learn and yet I believe will be my strongest selling point.

Once i can break even i fully intend on a conversion course, there is a master tech locally and i have all the info i need on it.
I want to be Creative trained and i will be but for now im practising and practising and using these cheap naff products.

Just think how AWSOME im gonna be once i have a good grip of the basics and then switch to a premier product! :green:

 

[geeg]

So,

I have brought cheap and nasty product with which i had a lifting issue.
Got some advise (re temp) now it appears to be A OK.

But my own nails have some lifting from where i tried the product before i recieved the advise.

So now i need to correct this fault.

I am quite sure that come infill time on the newly applied nails using the temp advise it will be so much easier asthere will be no lifting to remedy.

Prehaps im not explaining myself well enough......

Let me put you out of your misery ... do you have any idea how cool this site actually is??

Go here and learn. :lol: http://www.salongeek.com/nail-finishing-maintenance/8573-file-control-part-4-during-rebalance.html

Your problem and how to fix it is there. Then go buy my book, 'nailclass' which will help you learn the rest. :green:

 

[Lemmonie]

Thanks

Someone pointed me there earlier and i have wasted a good hour at work(oops!) reading it.

Very helpful.

 

[Crystaltippers]

I have to say Lemmonie, Geeg's advice is the way to go. I spent a lot of time "chasing the line" when I first started and it would sometimes take me longer to do a rebalance than a new set! When you follow Geeg's tutorial you will find your rebalances are so much easier and quicker. The first time I used this technique I couldn't believe how the lifted area flaked off.
Also when you swipe the nail to cleanse it of dust etc you will get a idea of how your finished nail will look. If you can see a line when it is wet with cleansing agent you will see it when you infill.

 

[min11]

I have to say Lemmonie, Geeg's advice is the way to go. I spent a lot of time "chasing the line" when I first started and it would sometimes take me longer to do a rebalance than a new set! When you follow Geeg's tutorial you will find your rebalances are so much easier and quicker. The first time I used this technique I couldn't believe how the lifted area flaked off.
Also when you swipe the nail to cleanse it of dust etc you will get a idea of how your finished nail will look. If you can see a line when it is wet with cleansing agent you will see it when you infill.

Nailclass and that tutorial helped me so much. Of course I have only done my own nails and a few friends but I went from longer to rebalance than putting on a new set to being much much quicker. Actually a lot of those tutorials have helped me, my initial training was fab but the tutorials helped tweak weak spots :hug: