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I didnt pick up on that bit before, but alarm bells should really be ringing for you now hun. Why doesnt he want an appointment? Is it because he doesnt want any trace of his name or number in your appointment book?

It might all sound over protective but I would be really uneasy about that. Trust your instincts.
 
As hippy said - dodgy clients follow a very similar pattern in their initial query.

1. I'm ringing about a massage.
2. What do you do?
3. Can I see you now; in 10 minutes; 30 minutes - 99% of the time they want to see you immediately and won't book in advance.
4. 99% of them will just come out and ask if you do extras or ask 'what else do you do?'.
5. 99% ask for a 'nice relaxation massage' - once I was asked for a sensual relaxation massage (dead giveaway).
6. They'll ask for a lot of work on their quads. (Unless of course they turn around and say they're a cyclist\marathon runner\or some other legitimate sports person)
7. They have a private phone number - it doesn't come up on caller ID.
8. I advertise as a mobile business and they'll usually ask to come to my house. I tell them I only do mobile and they usually won't want you to go to their house or they'll say I'll have to ring you back - and then they usually don't or they'll say they'll have to ring back when there's no-one home.
9. Sometimes they'll even ask what oil you use.
10. Sometimes they'll just ask if you mind if they're nude.
11. When you mention the medical form over the phone, they'll usually say they've never had to fill one in before or they don't need one or what do you need to do it for? They don't want to do it.

I lead the phone conversation and things I say in the initial phone call are:

HIM: I'm ringing about a massage, what do you do?
ME: I'm a remedial and sports massage specialist. On the initial consultation I have a medical form you need to fill in and then we'll discuss what it is exactly I'll be doing during the massage. Just for a rough idea what areas are you particularly wanting me to work on?

Then, if he turns around and says something like 'oh, i just want a nice relaxation massage,' - then you've got the opportunity to suss him out a bit further. I always say something like 'that's fine, during a relaxation massage I start on your back, neck and shoulders and arms, then work down your legs, then get you to flip over and do the front of your legs. I don't massage belly's.

I usually say that's my usual routine but if you want your feet, scalp or hands done just let me know. Sometimes they'll say things like 'can you just do my back and scalp, I don't want my legs done' - or variations on what they do or don't want.

As soon as the phone rings I can usually tell if they'll be dodgy - my intuition really kicks in as soon as the phone rings. If I think the're dodgy I'll even say 'this is a genuine therapeutic service, I don't do extras'. They'll usually then hang up. I also have this on my phone message.

My number 1 rule is - give them the benefit of the doubt to start with. I know myself when I see someone new - hairdresser, beauty therapist, chiropractor etc, I quiz them to start off to see if they're up to my standards and if I think they're going to be any good so I expect potential clients to do the same to me.

I'm different to a lot of the people on here - I do a lot of things that people here won't because my speciality is sports and remedial massage.
* If people want to go nude I don't mind as I tell them that they'll be covered in towels and I uncover the part I'll be working on - a lot of people don't wear underwear. Quite often they'll say 'I don't wear underwear, is that o'k?' I actually prefer my clients nude a lot of the time when working on their glutes.
* I do massage glutes unless they don't want me to. Most of my work is remedial and I find glutes very important when working on their hips, lower back and hamstrings. I explain everything before I do it - usually in the consultation at the beginning.
* I do a mobile service and don't have a problem seeing male clients. 3/4 of my client base is male and I've only ever had 1 dodgy client slip through. I told him on the phone that it was a genuine service and he said that's ok, I've got a sore shoulder I want worked on. Then, during the massage he wanted a bit more so I told him to get dressed, the massage was finished.
* I don't usually massage abdomens but I will usually do chests.
* Because most of my work is remedial I do work on male clients in the groinal area but I tell them what I'm going to do, why and tell them to put a hand over their bits so I'm not touching anything. I work with a football team and quite often they have groin pain and adductor problems you need to work on - mostly involving the piriformis, psoas and illiacus so you need to get in close.
*During the initial consult I'll tell them what I'll do and why. For instance, if they come to me with lower back pain I'll ask them about the pain, where it is, does it go up the back or down into the glutes or legs, any pain in the hips, groin or belly? Then I'll tell them what I'm going to massage, any stretches I'll do, how other muscles can be affected, check their alignment.

I've been very fortunate that the majority of clients who ring me are genuine and get a lot of good referrals. I have clients who I've built up a good relationship with over time and will have a good old natter to on the phone when they ring for an appointment. Some of my friends will try and torment me about extras as a joke - they'll ring up and put on a crap fake accent and ask what I'll do to them (they forget I have their number in my phone so I know it's them ringing. There's even been a few times where I've accidently scratched a regular when my nails got too long and told them that I'll have to charge them extra for that type of massage. There's only once I've gotten nasty with a client and told them 'I'm a massage therapist, not a prostitute'. He apologised.

But I love my job, knowing that I'm helping people with injury prevention and rehabilitation.
 
another giveaway is

can you massage my groin and buttocks!

Layla, this man sounds a bit strange but I would give him the benefit of the doubt but be forearmed and forewarned and be prepared.

Insist on doing a thorough consultation.
 
i live near stansted essex as to whether its the same guy for the other therapist that lives in essex
he called on thursday & left a message
i dont really want to call him back but it would look bad on my part if i didnt dont you think
 
I know that we carry out a professional treatment, but I have never treat a man for anything other than a waxed brow or chest.

My point is - why do men have to have a massage from a girl?
If he has genuine probs with his back - he could go to a male therapist or a chiropractor.

I find massage very personal - your putting your hands on a mans body - hell you do those sorts of things with your partner and you know where it leads.

I refused a job because it was massage. I wouldnt go on the ships because it was all massage.

Theres nothing wrong with men having a massage - why shouldnt they - if they want to relax? A deep tissue massage - yes. But why are they searching for women to carry out this? - that can only mean its sexual...would they be half as keen if the therapist was extremely unattractive but did a bloody good massage? I dont know.

Do physiotherapist still do a massage? I dont think they do as much.

My hubby would never be happy with me doing a massage - he said he knows exactly what would be running through their minds.

Its a shame life is this way.

xx
 
so has he arranged an appointment yet? dont ring him back if you dont want to, at the end of the day i know business is important but so is your safety and feeling comfortable with what you are doing.
 
I find that about half of my massage clients are male and I normally have no problem with them. But I think its important to go with your gut reaction, and as others have said there's usually curtain comments that put you on edge and sound the alarm bells (I've had a few myself).

I personally think that most men that go for a massage are going just for that and it is a shame to tar all men with the same brush. But if this bloke gives you the creeps it may be your intuition talking. As others have said make sure you have someone else near if he does come and make sure that you take charge of the situation. To be honest I wouldn't bother contacting him, he can always get back in contact if he wants to.

Good luck and don't worry.
 
I know that we carry out a professional treatment, but I have never treat a man for anything other than a waxed brow or chest.

My point is - why do men have to have a massage from a girl?
If he has genuine probs with his back - he could go to a male therapist or a chiropractor.

I find massage very personal - your putting your hands on a mans body - hell you do those sorts of things with your partner and you know where it leads.

I refused a job because it was massage. I wouldnt go on the ships because it was all massage.

Theres nothing wrong with men having a massage - why shouldnt they - if they want to relax? A deep tissue massage - yes. But why are they searching for women to carry out this? - that can only mean its sexual...would they be half as keen if the therapist was extremely unattractive but did a bloody good massage? I dont know.

Do physiotherapist still do a massage? I dont think they do as much.

My hubby would never be happy with me doing a massage - he said he knows exactly what would be running through their minds.

Its a shame life is this way.

xx

Sorry I have to disagree I offer male massage and never once have I been made to feel uncomfortable. I feel more uncomfortable that men are treated as "suspect" for asking for a massage.

I take all necessary precautions regarding my safety will ALL of my clients not because of their gender.

I am certainly not young or mega attractive so I can assure you when men book a massage with me it is not in any sexual way:eek:
 
Yes your right not all men are wrong doers. And men have a right to a massage. These are the good ones.

And yes it can be completey professional. No sinister requests.

But - you cant disagree that your in a very vunerable position - why does everyone need to take the necessary precautions - if there is no risk.

There are young girls carrying out massages on men - sometimes the salon owners require their therapists to do this....that is wrong.

Even if they dont feel comfortable with it.

If it were my daughter I really wouldnt be happy about this.

My dad and my hubby (perhaps a little old fashioned) were not happy with the thought of me carrying out a massage.


I know the very professional, passionate massage therapists will disagree with my views thats fine, but young niave girls who have to do these massages will completely agree with me. Maybe Im too cynical.


xx
 
I would hate to think that as a salon owner I would place an employee in an uncomfortable position, however we have trained as Beauty Therapists and it part of our job. Before I was signed off as competent I had to complete male massage in college as it is considered part of my job!

There are risks in every walk of life and dealing with the general public we must take all necessary precautions to protect ourselves.

This is what I meant by necesary precautions. I take safety precautions as a matter of course in every part of my life, I don't apply special ones to my job.

With the amount of addictions in our society it can lead to an unsafe world which is why I try and be "streetsmart"

I am not trying to be obtuse or confrontational here but I honestly do not agree that the risks are higher as a massage therapist.

My husband works in manufacturing and has to adhere to Health and Safety precautions because of risks, As a therapist I have different H&S issues to follow.

It is only my own opinion and thats what makes this site so great.

The varying opinions:hug:
 
Ha ha Martigirl - I know your not being confrontational - your just giving your honest professional view. Im interested in hearing it. And have no probs you disagree. :hug:


I have had numerous arguments with my hubby about this - and had to agree with him.

And your right you have to be cautious with either gender (i have full experience of this - uncomfortable to say the least).

Maybe thats why I am the way I am. I have had 2 incidents where I was made to feel uncomfortable. So now I err on the side of caution.

xx
 
I haven't yet had any incidents thankfully, but I did as a young girl have an incident with a female which was FAR worse than any pesky male attention lol:eek: she actually broke my friends nose and threatened to stab me!!!!!!! Because we spurned her advances:eek:

Nice to have a great debate:hug:
 
Mine wasnt that bad - she just wanted to brush my hair -:eek: ha ha.

xxx
 
I am also a care worker and have given personal care to many people (male and female) some with physical problems and some with mental illnesses. I see being a massage therapist as similar and I treat people in very much the same way, with respect, in a professional manner and with obvious boundaries (always have my exit clear.
It doesn't matter what job you do you sometimes get the nutty ones, you just have to have strategies to help keep yourself safe.
 
Hi,

As a male therapist and as a recipient of full body massage as well, I agree that you will soon learn the 'wierd' signs of those without good intent. I get some really dodgy emails on occasion so it must be worse for ladies and I sympathise and apologise on behalf of all good-spirited males.

When I travel and book a massage I am quite specific, I do enjoy stomach and gluts etc and have that as part of my routine but make sure i give a good history of therapies I have and give references of previous therapists and as someone advised, a landline number (I assume you wil ask for homeadress on consultationform).

It may also be sensible to give a leaflet on 'pre-treatment advice' which makes it clear what to wear, routine etc. and also a statement that 'suggestive or inappropriate behaviour will result in termination of the therapy without refund' i.e. hit them where it hurts - in the wallet!

Feel free to check out my site Massage Therapy Trainee Point customers to a web site before they visit or book. I believe that more advanced info is better and acts as a good screening to avoid life's nutters.

Cheers and good luck
 
Deeply-relaxing

Do you not have any qualifications in massage at all?
I just checked your website and it says 'I am not qualified'.
Or are you studying massage now?
 
I totally agree with Hippy-Chicks advice....she know what she's talking about!!!
 

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