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chanails

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oh my god cant't believeit........

someone rang asked if i had a radio i said yes, so they have sent me a bill for nearlly£200.00 quid arrgghhhh!!

just got off the phone from them cocky isnt the word i could have pulled him down phone.
now i know i have to pay but this just seems unfair.
i have been open nearlly 7 years but i honestly only started playing radio oct last year .
i am in a market and the reception is terrible and they play the local radio through the speakers so we jusrt listened to that. then in oct last year i re furbished the entire nail bar and bought a new digital radio which has a clear reception so we started listening to that. we can only listen to local radio staion derne fm , because if not we can hear 2 stations and its not good.
now they are charging me 58.10 from aug 2009 to aug 2010
and 58.10 for aug 2010 to 2011
and 68.27 surcharge (fine for not getting a licence)
i told him i only started playing oct 2009 he said so what its still 2009 doesnt matter if you are playing 1 month a day or whatever its stil 58.10.
i could scream i said can i pay by instalment he said no in full.
has anyone else had dealings with ppl. does all this sound fair.
 
I always though if you played any copyrighted music you needed a license/
 
what do you mean ?? if you play cd etc? no you need one for radio too
 
OMG that soooooo mean! I found that license to play music in my salon? - UK Business Forums

Apparently you can put a tv in the salon and play a music channel which is on freeview, but I'm not really sure if it works. Also, try to check who is sending the bills, because there are scammers that will try to get you to pay a fee to them when they have no right to do so.

Hth x
 
OMG that soooooo mean! I found that license to play music in my salon? - UK Business Forums

Apparently you can put a tv in the salon and play a music channel which is on freeview, but I'm not really sure if it works. Also, try to check who is sending the bills, because there are scammers that will try to get you to pay a fee to them when they have no right to do so.

Hth x

I got a call a while ago from a company telling me that they saw we had a licence to play music in the shop (from ppl) but we did not have a licence for the writers of the music!!

I thought this was a scam but having looked into it I found out its not!

So you are supposed to have a licence from ppl and another from this company.

as well as a tv licence (if you have freeview etc)
 
I had a call from PPL a few days ago asking if I played music or had tv on. I'm a home based salon and I don't play music - they also asked if I was mobile and if I played any music at my clients houses when I went mobile!
You do need a licence if you play music - I don't so its not an issue, but its something to consider when first setting up cos its ALOT of money!!
 
PRS and PPL do insist that you have a licence to play music in a public arena (i.e. your salon). This includes CD's and the radio.

The reason for this is to ensure that the artists and writers receive the correct royalties for their work. It is not uncommon for them to perform spot checks on businesses.

You can buy some CD's which already have the royalties paid, and therefore you do not need a licence to play them.
 
I hope I'm not being thick here but do you need a licence to play the music CD's that are developed especially for spa/salons? I haven't got any yet as I am still in the process of researching all my ideas. Are these copyright or am I ok to play these without a licence?
 
ah I see my question has been answered by TheGuild. Thanks for that I need to find the appropriate cd's.
 
oh my god cant't believeit........

someone rang asked if i had a radio i said yes, so they have sent me a bill for nearlly£200.00 quid arrgghhhh!!

just got off the phone from them cocky isnt the word i could have pulled him down phone.
now i know i have to pay but this just seems unfair.
i have been open nearlly 7 years but i honestly only started playing radio oct last year .
i am in a market and the reception is terrible and they play the local radio through the speakers so we jusrt listened to that. then in oct last year i re furbished the entire nail bar and bought a new digital radio which has a clear reception so we started listening to that. we can only listen to local radio staion derne fm , because if not we can hear 2 stations and its not good.
now they are charging me 58.10 from aug 2009 to aug 2010
and 58.10 for aug 2010 to 2011
and 68.27 surcharge (fine for not getting a licence)
i told him i only started playing oct 2009 he said so what its still 2009 doesnt matter if you are playing 1 month a day or whatever its stil 58.10.
i could scream i said can i pay by instalment he said no in full.
has anyone else had dealings with ppl. does all this sound fair.
Which licence have you got? Do you know you need, both a PRS and PPL licence? I afraid that without both you will still be listening to music illegally and risk more fines and back payments.

They often telephone salons to ask if they play music, while listening to the background to try and catch people out:irked:. They even walked in on my salon, a few weeks ago, to see if I was playing anything!
 
I had a letter a few months back asking if I played music in my home salon and telling me that I needed a liecence to do so. So I rang them and told them my home salon was no longer open, little snot on the phone was quiet put out and told me he had a right to come round and check. I told him, by all means do so I'll be delighted to show you my daughters bedroom and when I set up again I will make sure that all my music is legally down loaded copies of popular songs performed by sessions musicians and as such liecence free, purely because his customer service skills suck.
I love it when they record their conversations, you just know he's going to catch hell for that one:lol:
 
I have a couple of questions please

As I am a mobile therapist (I do not take any music with me) if my client decides to put on their own radio/TV/or play their own CD which just happens to be on before I get there. By doing a treatment with their background music, would I then require a lience?

I haven't come across the above yet, just tend to do treatments with no music etc.

and

Whats the CD's that would be ok to take to someones house if I wanted to play anything that didn't involve purchasing a licence?

Many thanks

Sian Rogers

Finding Serenity |
 
I told him, by all means do so I'll be delighted to show you my daughters bedroom and when I set up again I will make sure that all my music is legally down loaded copies of popular songs performed by sessions musicians and as such liecence free
I'm really sorry but this won't work either as you need a licence to play the music as well as the performer. The only way around it is to find royalty free music and get a certificate, to prove it, from the song writer and performer (usually the same person)

I have a couple of questions please

As I am a mobile therapist (I do not take any music with me) if my client decides to put on their own radio/TV/or play their own CD which just happens to be on before I get there. By doing a treatment with their background music, would I then require a lience?

I haven't come across the above yet, just tend to do treatments with no music etc.

and

Whats the CD's that would be ok to take to someones house if I wanted to play anything that didn't involve purchasing a licence?

Many thanks

Sian Rogers

Finding Serenity |
You don't need any licences if your client is playing their music in their house. If you gave them a cd to play or took and played your own radio, then you would need a licence.
 
If you are playing or broadcasting any music or radio then you need a PPL licence.

A PRS licence is for obtaining music legally to use in bands, performances etc.

I work in the Marketing Department for a plumbers merchant and we have 20 trade branches and 11 bathroom showrooms, and we have a licence that cover's all of them because they play the radio, either in the warehouse or showroom.

So if your business is publicly broadcasting music in any way you need a PPL licence.

Playing a CD you have bought only gives you ltd rights to use for private and domestic purposes.

The PPL also can charge you for playing music in the past. If you don't play music at all you still have to declare it.

You also need to speak to them about playing you tv in a public place as a tv licence is for you using a tv equipment.

hth's =)
 
I admit there's a lot of confusion over PRS and PPL, but here's a quote I've taken from this Business Link page:- Copyright infringement | Business Link

"Under copyright law, anyone wishing to play music in public, whether recorded or broadcast, is required to buy two licences:

  • the first licence covers the rights in the lyrics and music and is administered by the Performing Rights Society (PRS)
  • the second licence covers the rights of the performers and record producers, and is administered by Phonographic Performance Ltd (PPL)
The law does not strictly define 'in public' although anything wider than a purely domestic situation such as for your staff, visitors or customers may amount to a 'public performance'."
 
Hi there, I am writing in Opuzz Royalty Free Music Library http://www.opuzz.com/ and perhaps being in this industry I can help answer some questions about licensing, using music for retail etc.

Do I have to pay for music I play in my business premise?
Yes you will have to pay license fees, royalties etc if you play music in public areas or if the music is not for your personal enjoyment only. To answer Susie H and FindingSerenity, yes you will have to pay for a license if you are playing music for your business and clients and especially if you have a business license. I suppose you could get away with it if it were operating for your home but if you were ever found out, you would be fined or would have to back pay. It doesn't matter where the music comes from, CD, DVD, movies, TV etc so long the music is aired in your premise for your clients. You will even have to pay if you play music on your telephone on hold messages. See what is included and excluded for PRS and ASCAP: http://www.prsformusic.com/users/bu...musicforbusinesses/Pages/doineedalicence.aspx
http://www.ascap.com/licensing/types.html

Now your question is why should we pay and to whom?
PROs or Performance Rights Organizations collect royalties on behalf of their members. Here in the US, our PRO include ASCAP, BMI, SESAC and a few others. PROs are agencies that collect royalties for their members which include musicians, composers, publishers, producers etc. Most musicians etc would naturally sign up as members to get the most buck out of any music they produce. Joining a PRO is very inexpensive or in some countries free so most artist are registered with a PRO. So if you play a song from a member of a PRO, you will have to pay for it.

Here's a quote from ASCAP:
1. Why should I pay for playing music in public?
We often use the expression "they're playing my song," not always remembering that while we may have emotionally adopted the song, it still legally belongs to the songwriter who created it, and the music publisher who markets it. When you use other people's property, you need to ask permission.


How much would you have to pay?
The cost to play music usually depends on the type of business, your retail or office space, location, number of listeners etc. It may not be much to pay PRO for the yearly use of music for your business but it can add up over the years and may not be the most cost effective method. After all, I am sure you would like to paid for your service to your customers and so would artist and musicians for the music they've produced.

So what are your other options?
1) Paying PROs for commercially available music
This is the standard practice. I noted that PROs in Europe are generally more stringent unlike their US counterparts that are mainly interested to collect for broadcast. However this has changed in recent times as they have started "combing the streets".
2) No music
I think this would be rather ridiculous for retail and especially if you are restaurant or pub or club. You also can't also monitor to ensure your clients don't bring a incidental or rather accidental music in your space.
2) Royalty Free Music
This is the most likely alternative option. True royalty free music is music produced by composers that are not PRO members. So be very careful as there are very few libraries that adhere to this or even aware of this. Reason being is that historically most of what ASCAP/BMI/SESAC collect are for broadcast so many libraries automatically only warn their customers that you will have to pay royalties if you are using the music for broadcast however royalties apply to most usages including retail depending on certain criterias. See http://www.ascap.com/licensing/types.html
I would safely say most community based or submission based libraries are not true royalty free music as they simply cannot police their members activities. Just a note not all rfm libraries are created equal.

So if you are being audited by a PRO, just produce your license agreement and receipt and it should be all that is required. If the PRO officer insist you still pay, get in touch with the library to confirm their composer are not PRO members as this could be the only reason. Logically, if the music you play is produced by a non-PRO composer, then what right would the PRO have to collect royalties on their behalf?

There are more options ...
but I really wouldn't consider them to be options for the following reasons.
3) Music from Indie Bands or Artist
This only references to bands and artists that are not signed with PRO. Again it is very affordable to cost nothing to become a member of a PRO so you will have to check with them. Also another thing to note is that they may become members in the future so you will have to monitor their status.
4) Creative Commons
Not all creative commons license are created equal you really have to be sure. Most creative commons license will require attribution when you use their music and cannot be use if you are a profit based business. So it may only be suitable for non-profit organizations.
5) Make your own music
Why not if you can but only if you can stand hearing it everyday.

If you need some sort of customization on a playlist for your store, email me personally at viv [@] opuzz dot com and I perhaps can work out something for you at a very affordable rate that is buyout - meaning once off with no expiration of use. Needless to say our music is not signed with any PRO. Opuzz owns all our music. We have over 320 CDs or over 22,000 tracks online.

Hope this helps you chanails (I suppose you love Chanel and nails like me!).
 
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Just don't play music in your car with the window down :rolleyes:
 
Hi There!

I'm still a bit confused. I don't actually play any music, but my sister does part time mobile Swedish massage, she takes her ipod with her and a clip on speaker. It's always just her and her client in her clients home who can hear it, does she still need a licence?

If so then going on the same basis, if i get in a minicab and he has got the radio on then would he need on too??
:confused:
 
Hi There!

I'm still a bit confused. I don't actually play any music, but my sister does part time mobile Swedish massage, she takes her ipod with her and a clip on speaker. It's always just her and her client in her clients home who can hear it, does she still need a licence?

If so then going on the same basis, if i get in a minicab and he has got the radio on then would he need on too??
:confused:
It's a yes to both questions. There's everything you need to know on the PRS and PPL websites:)
 
are there any home based/mobile Therapists on here who have a PPL liscence, if so how much did it cost you? I have a PRS liscence at the cost of £80 yearly but was not aware I needed TWO licenses!!! PRS told me if I was working at a clients house I would not have needed one as it is in their home that THEY were listening to the music and it would only be if they came to MY home for treatment I would have to have a liscence, I got one to be on the safe side. Would like to know how much more I am going to have to pay out though!!!!
 

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