Me and my big mouth! I just had a client who had stubbed her big toe a while ago and has cut it back to about half way. Nailbed is dry and has skin on it now. The nail (the bit that's left) still shows signs of a previous haematoma but otherwise okay. It is very raised so a normal overlay and sculpt an extension is not really an option as I would be worried she could catch it and pull off the rest of the nail. I was thinking of making her a "nail" that would just fill the gap, i.e. sit on the skin on the part that she cut away. Here comes my question could she glue the new "nail" on with nail glue (the type you use to attach the tips)? I know it would only last her a couple of days at the most but she is going to a wedding. The gap between real nail and fake could be masked with polish. Is there a reason why you couldn't put nail glue which essentially is just super glue I think directly onto her skin?
Nail "Prosthetic"
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I have toenails like this and sculpt over the natural nail and carry it down over the missing bit tapering into the toe a bit on the free edge to avoid them catching. They last for months at a time and I only renew them when they grow out and need infilling. I like to remove them and give them a bit of a spring clean underneath!
You can glue a pre formed nail on but I don't think it would be successful to join them. Although polish may disguise the join as soon as she walked or put any pressure on it would split as the skin, although hardened, would move differently to the nails that is left.
You can glue a pre formed nail on but I don't think it would be successful to join them. Although polish may disguise the join as soon as she walked or put any pressure on it would split as the skin, although hardened, would move differently to the nails that is left.
I was a bit nervous just sculpting onto the remainder of the nail as the curvature of it makes it stick up by about 1/2" right now as it is. She had nail surgery years ago and the nail is very raised now.
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geeg
Judge Gigi-Honorary Geek
Nail adhesive is NOT Super Glue!!! Good Grief!! It is a different formula and has different characteristics. Do you really think they are the same?
For a start one is Methyl Cyanoacrylate (super glue)
- Carcinogenic
- water soluble
- breaks down in water quickly
- completely unsuitable for nail enhancements
- should not be applied to skin
and the other is Ethyl cyanoacrylate (nail adhesive)
- Should be pharmaceutical quality (CND adhesives re all high grade pharmaceutical quality)
- not carcinogenic
- absolutely made to be used on porous surfaces
- does not break down quickly in water
- Could be applied to skin
- used in the medical field
Hmmm! You could try to do it the way you suggested but I would try it out before the event and not for the event, just in case!
I am so excited just finished my toe nail. For a first try I am quite happy with it. In the end I just took a cast of her nail and nail bed. Made a cast and then sculpted a new nail with gel. I was paranoid about getting gel onto her skin and it sticking to the skin and overexposure. I then glued the finished bit of nail onto the skin with speed bond and put a very fin layer onto her natural nail about 1/4" similar to weekend nails. She was really happy with it. I'll be interested to see how long it will last her. Pics are in my album http://www.salongeek.com/members/annasmum-albums-nails.html
Any comments and suggestions for the future would be appreciated.
Any comments and suggestions for the future would be appreciated.
geeg
Judge Gigi-Honorary Geek
We will see but I think I would have used Gel bondadhesive, which fills in all the gaps .. air pockets breed bacteria and Speedbond is a VERY thin adhesive which will not fill in any gaps.
You needn't be paranoid about getting CND adhesives onto skin or about overexposure ... All CND adhesives are pharmaceutical grade adhesives. As for the gel prosthetic I presume it was cured gel you applied so no worries there either.
I hope you used NailFresh and ScrubFresh before you applied the piece.
I'm sure yo now have a very happy client .. which is what we aim for.
Thanks for your replies. I was going to use gelbond but then read the warning label on it about it causing allergic reaction if in contact with skin. Remembered your post about speedbond being like surgical glue and decided to go with that. I know better for next time. I was worried about the gel touching the skin too much before I cured it as the nail that was left was so raised.
geeg
Judge Gigi-Honorary Geek
There is no warning on GelBond about it causing an allergic reaction because it will not .. GelBond is a surgical quality adhesive just like all the other CND adhesives.
There is a warning that when in contact with skin it will instantly bond with it (which in this case is exactly what you want it to do).
I don't want any confusion about this. CND would not sell an adhesive that would pose a risk of allergy as adhesive are always used near the skin!!
Just remember the laws of "leverage", if you put a nail on (which is attached to a small amount of base nail), if that nail gets stubbed it will rip the entire nail out ..... roots and all and possible cause permanent damage.
It's one thing to be the prosthetic hero, it's another thing when the damage occurs due to you creating an extension.
It's one thing to be the prosthetic hero, it's another thing when the damage occurs due to you creating an extension.
jess-ik-aa
Member
Hello all my fellow nail geeks i have a question .
i'm new to the industry so still unsure about some things and constantly looking for new ways to improve.
today i have done a uv gel natural french overlay with ezflow gel on my own toes well ive recently lost two toenails and it looks very odd without gel i was wondering is there anything i can do? can i rebuild it with gel and if so how do i go about doing this?
a huge thank you in advance and i look foward to reading your comments
jess
i have a question .i'm new to the industry so still unsure about some things and constantly looking for new ways to improve.
today i have done a uv gel natural french overlay with ezflow gel on my own toes well ive recently lost two toenails and it looks very odd without gel i was wondering is there anything i can do? can i rebuild it with gel and if so how do i go about doing this?
a huge thank you in advance and i look foward to reading your comments
jess
tracey louise
Well-Known Member
i havent tried building a whole nail using gel but i have used gel to extend the nail on a very severe nail biter.i did this by applying the gel directly on to the clients skin and it worked great.
im not sure how you would go about doing a whole nail with gel but i know people do this alot using l&p (acrylic) so it can be done.
try doing a search as i know there have recently been a few threads on this so im sure they will help
im not sure how you would go about doing a whole nail with gel but i know people do this alot using l&p (acrylic) so it can be done.
try doing a search as i know there have recently been a few threads on this so im sure they will help
jess-ik-aa
Member
thanks this helped, with doing it directly onto the skin this wont make it lift will it ? sorry if that sounds really silly and naive.
There was a post on here not so long ago about using L&P to rebuild a nail. Sculpt into a form, shape, refine and then adhere with gelbond or CND nail glue. I have just done one recently where I had to make half a nail with gel. I made a mould of the nail and sculpted onto that. I was worried about overexposure. Just applied it with speedbond and a very fine layer of gel to attach it to the natural nail and so that there is no gap. That was two weeks ago and client hasn't been back yet so it must still be holding. If you have no nail it will eventually lift and come off but you can just reglue it I suppose. But I am not sure if you should just use it for special occasions and a few months of the year or long term. I am sure a geek with more experience in that department will be along soon. hth.
I didn't want to cause any confusion. But when you buy gelbond here in the US it does say on the tube ... may cause allergic skin reaction. That's why I mentioned it. It's possible they have to add it since you can get sued at the drop of a hat.
I only added a very thin layer to the natural nail and the prosthetic so that if caught it should just break off. Also advised the client to come back in if there is any sign of it becoming loose so that I can take it off so she can't catch it on anything. Should I have done/advised anything else? Still have so much to learn it seems :o, so any advice is greatly appreciated. Everyday there seems another set of questions. Let me know if you are all getting sick of me asking advice/questions all the time.
I only added a very thin layer to the natural nail and the prosthetic so that if caught it should just break off. Also advised the client to come back in if there is any sign of it becoming loose so that I can take it off so she can't catch it on anything. Should I have done/advised anything else? Still have so much to learn it seems :o, so any advice is greatly appreciated. Everyday there seems another set of questions. Let me know if you are all getting sick of me asking advice/questions all the time.
Mosaicgal
Active Member
Hi, you may want to check out the LCN website or google PEDIQUE. It's a fantastic product that is manufactured specifically for reconstruction of missing or damaged toenails. (it also is great for clients who are prone to ingrowns) It is a light cured resin (gel)...that has 'flexibility' and goes on as a thin overlay (build in layers for reconstruction)...so it's great for 'runners'. It also contains an antifungal ingredient to discourage fungal growth. It's manufactured to be used directly on the skin if the client is missing the nail completely, but works best built on a bit of nail. Since our skin has natural oils , it doesn't last long if ONLY built on skin (say if their nail was removed in the past due to ingrown problems) but definitely long enough for a special function.! If you have a distributor nearby that carries LCN, there is a Pedique pamphlet with all applications of the product with before, during and after photos. Just wanted to let you fellow geeks aware of this product... I LOVE it!!! :hug:
