Overspray. What overspray??!!

[redsadie]

Arrgghhhh! Sorry a bit of a long one, I did't realise until I'd written it,

As some of you may know I have been given a wonderful opportunity to have a small room in the back of my friends hairdressers. I decorated it, but then she redecorated it with 'wipeable' wall paint 'because of the overspray from the tanning it'll be easier to clean'.

Another spray tan tech has been taken on because her last place of employment didn't pay her (or any other staff) for 6 weeks, so they all walked out. She's only there 2 days a week employed not self employed like me, but said to me last night (my 1st evening in the salon, btw, it went really well, but that's another thread ) that she'll happily stay on if people want spray tans later in the day. Er really, will you?! What about me, I may have waxings booked (it's a duel use room) I'm self employed!??? Oh, and she'll stick around to clean up because of the overspray. What overspray???

I was also talking to the senior stylist last night too when it was a little quieter and said about how nice the room looked (I'll post pics in my profile later) as we just laid wood look tiles on the floor ro replace a manky old carpet that was there and she said 'it'll be so much easier to clean now'. I replied yes and then she said 'because you know you get so much overspray from the tans'

I DON'T GET MUCH IF ANY OVERSPRAY!!!!! And even if I did, I have a tent. Why are they all saying this??? When I had heard this for the 3rd time in one evening from the senior stylist I was like, NO! I don't get overspray, she just smiled like I was a simpleton and shook her head.

The other tanning lady says she uses a larger machine and some liquids are more prone to this than others (I think she's talking from her !), would this be why she's obviously getting overspray?

Please help me?!! Is there anything I can say to tell these people that you shouldn't get overspray? I think the only way I'm going to prove that you don't have to clean the whole room after tanning is to do one and let them see for themselves? I use about 50 ml for a whole body.

What do you think? I've got one in tonight and two in tomorrow morning.

Thanks for listening, I just needed to vent!!!

xx

Sorry, just to add that they want me to drop my tan price from £25 to £20 as a limited introductory offer because the company the new tanning lady worked for is still open but doing tans for this price and so is a salon down the road. I don't personally think it's a good idea, I'm getting clients (not many atm admittedly) booking in at my usual price so don't really want to drop them, I'd rather give a treatment away or say take a course of tanning sessions and get your 6th free or something like that. Again guys, what do you think? Oh, AND the other girl is using a diff liquid company to me so maybe that's the overspray problem?

xx

 

[loubylou]

I would do a spray tan and then when the client has gone i would invite the staff into the room so you can show them exactly how little over spray you made,
then i would invite the other technician to do the same when she has performed a spray so you can all judge for yourselves hth
i would also be asking for a reduction in the rent on the room as when you did the agreement on the rent it was for your sole use and now you are having to share it 2 days a week with someone else who is getting paid to use it, hth

 

[julesgems]

Hi

Have they already had someone else tanning in there? If so, perhaps they didn't have their machine set up correctly then it might cause some overspray.

If the machine is set up correctly, they shouldn't be getting any overspray! Sounds to me like you are doing your tans fine, so i wouldn't worry too much.

Have you been tanning long? You will find as you get more confident, you will use less liquid - about 30-35ml per tan.

 

[julesgems]

Another thing - I would not reduce the price of the tans. If you are self-employed and renting the room, it is entirely up to you what you charge and they should have no say on the matter!

 

[collin]

I think the only way I'm going to prove that you don't have to clean the whole room after tanning is to do one and let them see for themselves? I use about 50 ml for a whole body.

What do you think? I've got one in tonight and two in tomorrow morning.

Thanks for listening, I just needed to vent!!!

xx

Sorry, just to add that they want me to drop my tan price from £25 to £20 as a limited introductory offer because the company the new tanning lady worked for is still open but doing tans for this price and so is a salon down the road. I don't personally think it's a good idea, I'm getting clients (not many atm admittedly) booking in at my usual price so don't really want to drop them, I'd rather give a treatment away or say take a course of tanning sessions and get your 6th free or something like that. Again guys, what do you think? Oh, AND the other girl is using a diff liquid company to me so maybe that's the overspray problem?

xx

Whomever spray tans will always create over spray....the issue is how to develop a technique that creates as little over spray as possible and good results come from experimenting with technique and adjustments to gun settings.

of course the type of machine you use will also dictate the level of over spray.
liquid generally is relatively consistent from brand to brand however dependant on the level of initial colour guide used will make it seem there is a difference
I.E. The more initial colour guide the more any over spray will be seen on the surrounding area.
Of course adequate ventilation/extraction/air cleansing is in situ will considerably improve on reducing the mess to clear up at the end of each working day.

By the sounds of it Sarah you seem to perhaps be more versed at a technique that produces less over spray than the other operators.

I feel the only way to prove your point will be with your actions...show them that they are wrong.

In terms of intro offers ...well these do generally work in getting things moving.

Good luck with proving your right :hug:

 

[loubylou]

Sorry, just to add that they want me to drop my tan price from £25 to £20 as a limited introductory offer because the company the new tanning lady worked for is still open but doing tans for this price and so is a salon down the road. I don't personally think it's a good idea, I'm getting clients (not many atm admittedly) booking in at my usual price so don't really want to drop them, I'd rather give a treatment away or say take a course of tanning sessions and get your 6th free or something like that. Again guys, what do you think? Oh, AND the other girl is using a diff liquid company to me so maybe that's the overspray problem?

xx

I agree with you hun, don't drop your price,
do like you say and give the 6th one free or offer a free file and polish to toe nails with every spray tan (they need something to protect the toe nails anyway so it may as well be a nice polish and it will only take you 10 Min's and cost you very little) hth

 

[redsadie]

Hi guys, thanks for your replies :hug:

I would do a spray tan and then when the client has gone i would invite the staff into the room so you can show them exactly how little over spray you made,
then i would invite the other technician to do the same when she has performed a spray so you can all judge for yourselves hth
i would also be asking for a reduction in the rent on the room as when you did the agreement on the rent it was for your sole use and now you are having to share it 2 days a week with someone else who is getting paid to use it, hth

Thanks Loubylou, I have a black pop-up tent so was trying to think how I could show them there wasn't much overpsray. I suppose it'd come off on my cleaning cloth wouldn't it and she'd have more than me on hers? I don't pay rent at the moment. It was agreed that to get me started, I would have the first 3 months foc, then agree a rent then once I was established.

Hi

Have they already had someone else tanning in there? If so, perhaps they didn't have their machine set up correctly then it might cause some overspray.

If the machine is set up correctly, they shouldn't be getting any overspray! Sounds to me like you are doing your tans fine, so i wouldn't worry too much.

Have you been tanning long? You will find as you get more confident, you will use less liquid - about 30-35ml per tan.

Another thing - I would not reduce the price of the tans. If you are self-employed and renting the room, it is entirely up to you what you charge and they should have no say on the matter!

The lady they have taken on used to tan in another salon who didn't pay her, my salon has never had spray tanning in there before. I've only been tan 'trained' for about a month although it seems longer than that! I have picked up some great tips on here though about different things including how to get the most out of my liquid and gun that I never went through at my training, but the same goes for my waxing. I would love to agree with you on your last point, and if I was the sole tanner in the salon, I would, but because this other lady is here now, she uses a different tan and I don't actually pay a rent at the moment, it's a bit strange. I can't really go on with my usual, when in the same salon, they're offering tans for less money. Who are they going to go to?!

Whomever spray tans will always create over spray....the issue is how to develop a technique that creates as little over spray as possible and good results come from experimenting with technique and adjustments to gun settings.

of course the type of machine you use will also dictate the level of over spray.
liquid generally is relatively consistent from brand to brand however dependant on the level of initial colour guide used will make it seem there is a difference
I.E. The more initial colour guide the more any over spray will be seen on the surrounding area.
Of course adequate ventilation/extraction/air cleansing is in situ will considerably improve on reducing the mess to clear up at the end of each working day.

By the sounds of it Sarah you seem to perhaps be more versed at a technique that produces less over spray than the other operators.

I feel the only way to prove your point will be with your actions...show them that they are wrong.

In terms of intro offers ...well these do generally work in getting things moving.

Good luck with proving your right :hug:

Hi Collin , I think I have developed a technique that creates minimal overspray, even though I've only been tanning a short time (call me tight but I don't want to waste ANY liquid on the back of the tent!) I do spray quite dry and I use a T100 atm and love it, I have put a bit of white nail varnish on the spray adjuster so I know where I am once I've cleaned it . I've not seen this other lady tanning yet so I don't know how she does it.

Intro offers are all very well, but a lot of advice on here is not to drop your prices (which is effect what I would be doing) but instead to give a perceived offer of value to the client. For example, apart from the Safetan Summer campaign donations to charity (10% of spray tans in August got the the BSF) I have an offer on at the moment just for August where if they spend £10 on any treatment then they get a free brow tint if they want it, at a value of £8 (I always let them know the value of the service they get), this way I'm not discounting my service and they still get something of value to them. It can also encourage repeat business on a treatment they might not otherwise have considered.

I agree with you hun, don't drop your price,
do like you say and give the 6th one free or offer a free file and polish to toe nails with every spray tan (they need something to protect the toe nails anyway so it may as well be a nice polish and it will only take you 10 Min's and cost you very little) hth

Thanks again Loubylou, I like this idea

xx

 

[collin]

Hi Collin , I think I have developed a technique that creates minimal overspray, even though I've only been tanning a short time

xx

I certainly think your right there...all you need to do now is show the others :hug:

 

[redsadie]

I certainly think your right there...all you need to do now is show the others :hug:

Thanks Collin, and show them I will!!! I'll let you knwo how I get on :hug:

 

[redsadie]

Hiya, just to let you know I had a tan in tonight but all the hairdressers had gone home!

I only used approx. 30-35 ml too instead of the 50 I have been using, so I must be doing something right :green:

I have two tans in tomorrow morning and the other tan lady will be there but how to prove that I get minimal overspray without her actually being in the room (which I'm sure my client wouldn't like!) I have a black tent too, so it wouldn't show any.

I siuppose I'll just have to show her my cloth once I've cleaned my tent

xx

 

[collin]

Hi ya, just to let you know I had a tan in tonight but all the hairdressers had gone home!

I only used approx. 30-35 ml too instead of the 50 I have been using, so I must be doing something right :green:

I have two tans in tomorrow morning and the other tan lady will be there but how to prove that I get minimal over spray without her actually being in the room (which I'm sure my client wouldn't like!) I have a black tent too, so it wouldn't show any.

I siuppose I'll just have to show her my cloth once I've cleaned my tent

xx

Very well done...now just be careful not to reduce the amount of solution used to quickly ...small increments until you reach the optimum amount.
Well done again and hope your customers are happy with their tan's.
don't forget to show the other gals your rag,...by the way what amount of solution do they use???

 

[redsadie]

Hi Collin, thanks for the advice. I didn't know I'd only used that amount until I was cleaning my gun. I had set it to my usual setting, had 100 ml in the cup when I started and only 70ish when I looked after the client had gone!

I don't know how much the other girl uses as I've not seen her in action yet. As she's employed, the hairdresser is having to buy her solutions and I don't think she's bought them yet. I'll be sure to let you know when she starts tanning here. :hug:

 

[Jaffacake]

bit of a strange set up having two different people offering tans, one self employed and one employed, both using different solutions and charging different prices? I dont think i'd be happy about that! If I was renting a room to do tanning i'd want to be the only one there tanning! How do you get your customers? If a client walked in off the street who would get her? I'd think they would try to book her in with the girl who is employed wouldnt they?

Good luck with it anyway :wink2:

 

[Poshfloss]

Hi,
I am a bit confussed, do you have to fold your tent away ready for her to come in, or do you share your tent with her?
They can be pigs to fold, I do mobile tanning now, I give it 2 goes if I didn't get it back in the bag on the 2nd go, I would put it in the car flat. I use our works estate car not mine when spray tanning just in case. But luckily I have managed to fold it each time.
Back to your problem..............It really is not fair...........you need to get it sorted.
Best of luck
Lotsa luv x :hug:

 

[redsadie]

bit of a strange set up having two different people offering tans, one self employed and one employed, both using different solutions and charging different prices? I dont think i'd be happy about that! If I was renting a room to do tanning i'd want to be the only one there tanning! How do you get your customers? If a client walked in off the street who would get her? I'd think they would try to book her in with the girl who is employed wouldnt they?

Good luck with it anyway :wink2:

Thanks Jaffacake , see, that's what I thought when she first said about it. The thing is, I'm not paying anything for the room atm, she originally said I could just 'have' the room to get me started. She's been on holiday this week so will get some clarification from her when I see her this week coming. I would've thought they'd try to book them in with the other lady too, I know I would, it'd be more money in my bin.

Hi,
I am a bit confussed, do you have to fold your tent away ready for her to come in, or do you share your tent with her?
They can be pigs to fold, I do mobile tanning now, I give it 2 goes if I didn't get it back in the bag on the 2nd go, I would put it in the car flat. I use our works estate car not mine when spray tanning just in case. But luckily I have managed to fold it each time.
Back to your problem..............It really is not fair...........you need to get it sorted.
Best of luck
Lotsa luv x :hug:

Hi Poshfloss , the room is now set up so there is a space in the middle, enough to put my tent up in and so I don't have to fold my couch away each time I need to do a tan. I don't have a problem with putting up or taking down my tent, I kinda know which way is easier now to fold it up so just go with the tent. I was asked by the owner if she minded the other lady using my tent (I don't have a problem with that) but today when I was in, the other lady asked if she could have a go of my machine 'to get a feel' . Now tent, I don't mind, but my machine..........it cost me a lot of money and I've used it only a handful of times, but I don't want to seem unreasonable by refusing her use of it.

She used to use a compressor machine at her last place and she said she was going to go in and take it in lieu of wages that she's not been paid, but she was telling me it's not good, no pressure, she always sprays twice and she used to use about 400ml PER CLIENT!!!!!!

No wonder she wants to use my machine, I'm getting a tenth of that out of it per client.

I'm going to have to have a word aren't I? But I feel awkward because I'm not paying anything for the room.

xx

 

[redsadie]

BTW, meant to say I know the owner has been looking at another premises to buy which has a larger room and a seperate room which can be a dedicated tanning room, so if this goes through I'll say to her I want to move my operation down there and the other lady can stay where I am now. :hug:

 

[Jaffacake]

400ml per client???? OMG!!!

NO WAY would I let her use my tent or machine!! if anything happens to either of them do you think she'd be the one replacing it?? Noooooo!!!

Sounds like the ideal solution if you can move to the other place and let her stay where she is :green:

 

[redsadie]

400ml per client???? OMG!!!

NO WAY would I let her use my tent or machine!! if anything happens to either of them do you think she'd be the one replacing it?? Noooooo!!!

Sounds like the ideal solution if you can move to the other place and let her stay where she is :green:

Good point, I hadn't thought of that

She did ask me if I would show her how to use my machine. I think I'm going to have to put my training hat on and speak to the owner of the salon. Friend or no, I'm not having my new equipment ruined!

Thanks Sherrie :hug:

 

[redsadie]

Hi guys, just to update you, I was tanned with my gun and product last night by the other tan lady and it is fantastic.

The only thing is, the way she was taught is TOTALLY different from me and of course I'm the one who was taught right

She asked to change my spray head around so it sprays vertically (not horizontal like I spray), she sprayed me twice in each area and used........ 150ml!!!!! or thereabouts!!! That's 3 of my tans worth 75 quid to me! I had already said to her that with this solution you do not need to spary twice and I only use a maximum of 50ml but she just kept doing what she was doing :irked:

Thanks god she'll be using a solution different to me which'll be paid for by the salon, and not my precious liquid! I now know why she gets her overspray, she's spraying like a paint-sprayer would spray a car!

That said, thanks to my lovely solution, I look great!!

xx

 

[loubylou]

OMG i bet you could hardly breath when she had used 150ml
i think that alone proves who causes the over spray,
and with her method she is not spraying the person she is just spraying everywhere and the client is getting a tan too, she would be able to tip her tent up and refill the bottle at that rate, lol :hug: