People who cut corners

[Violet Star]

Hi Geeks,

Im a bit annoyed really with people who come into the beauty industry and cut corners and work their way around things just to avoid training or real training. I.e people who dont want training and think because they have seen someone spray tan they can do and do it themselves.

Or people who are wanting to teach after 5 minutes of being qualified themselves.

I just get so annoyed with this as myself and im sure many others on here have spent tons to get to where we are, without cutting any corners and going about it the right way!

I also think that many people who do come onto salon geek say things to really annoy us ie thinking or trying to do something they are not qualified in or have not taken the right steps and i think its making us feel so annoyed to think we pay out so much money and go to every effort in the world to get to where we are.

I think to be able to come into the beauty or nail industry passion is deeply required and i know in my local college they do not question this when taking students on, its just a course for them so they dont have to work.

In a nut shell i think it has become too easy to enter the beauty & nail industry

Whats your thoughts/feelings on this? and do you ever see a changes that could happen to stop this from happening ?xx

 

[eden_beauty]

I think you have a point but i wonder how would they gauge the passion someone has for the industry? i mean there isn't any kind of test they can take to show how passionate they are about the industry but i get your point i saw a thread on here yesterday about a lady who was offering training and apparently she wasn't as yet qualified but i was so confused by the end of the thread that i let it go ...are the mods not vetting these posts??
Lisa

 

[Violet Star]

I think you have a point but i wonder how would they gauge the passion someone has for the industry? i mean there isn't any kind of test they can take to show how passionate they are about the industry but i get your point i saw a thread on here yesterday about a lady who was offering training and apparently she wasn't as yet qualified but i was so confused by the end of the thread that i let it go ...are the mods not vetting these posts??
Lisa

I do think colleges should have a small talk with the students before they go into college about what they think of the industry etc to see if the student has passion or is on the course just for the sake of it, as its wasting a space for others. And letting too many people into the industry that dont take it seriously.

Regarding the girl yesterday the mods are aware of this girl and she wasnt qualified to teach at all but i know the mods are aware of this.

 

[perfectbeauty]

I have recently seen a screening test that somewhere uses when interviewing beauty & nails students

this screening was different questions/tasks that they had to complete that were industry related to see whether they had apptitude (cant think of a better word at this time of night) for this industry

cant explain it very well - you would have to see it but I think it would be better than just taking enrolment forms and doing the basic initial assessment that seems to be done at the moment in most places now

 

[Lorrainelola]

Those who join the profession but have no real passion for nails/beauty probably may not do well because it would just be a job to them. Whereas those of us who can't get enough of our chosen profession will hopefully succeed.

 

[Violet Star]

I have recently seen a screening test that somewhere uses when interviewing beauty & nails students

this screening was different questions/tasks that they had to complete that were industry related to see whether they had apptitude (cant think of a better word at this time of night) for this industry

cant explain it very well - you would have to see it but I think it would be better than just taking enrolment forms and doing the basic initial assessment that seems to be done at the moment in most places now

that sounds good i think they should bring that into colleges

 

[Susie H]

I've been a member of this site since I qualified in 2005, I've seen members come and go, I've seen a lot of changes, to the site, to the products, training etc.
We've had the keen and clueless.
The broke and determined.
The lazy
The organised and prepared.
Well you get the picture:lol:
I don't worry anymore, not because I've lost the will to fight, but because I've seen that the ones who don't do it right, don't last.
I've read a few threads on here that I've followed but not added to because I know the poster will either shape up or move on to the next thing
A while ago, we had a young lass on here, who thought she could do it all, without any working capital or a business plan, she would come on here and spout of like she was the greatest. I met her, when I did she was doing a training course at a suppliers I was shopping in.
It was her first day training.................
She was around on here for a couple more months, still doing the big I am.
Then she dispersed. I didn't out her on here, didn't need to.
Deep breath in, slow breath out.
You are doing it the right way. You will get there hun, because you care, because you are a perfectionist and because you won't allow yourself to give up.
For the others, hun, life is too short, if they can't take the advise that is given to them by others with more experience, free of charge, well, its their loss and they are the poorer for it.

 

[naturalnails]

......are the mods not vetting these posts??
Lisa

Well hey we are damned if we do and damned if we dont. We get slated when we do vet some posts and now we are getting it for allowing some.

We are not the law of the land, but we uphold the Geek Commandments which among other things states that posts should be constructive and not argumentative or offensive.

Also threads are not allowed to be posted which are specifically aimed at one person or company, in a negative way.

This thread will be watched carefully.

We regularly get people who come on here having bought kits from ebay or Argos or the like and ask us to help them use them. A long running thread is called Newbies Bluffing about this very topic and we all know how that went.

Unfortunately I believe that anyone can become a "trainer" and, provided they dont lie and say you can get insurance with their course or that it is accredited, then I am not sure what law they are breaking - but I will stand corrected if proof is given.

Please post constructively and in a manner to which you would like to be spoken to.

If in doubt about any post then please report it to the moderators.

 

[Violet Star]

I've been a member of this site since I qualified in 2005, I've seen members come and go, I've seen a lot of changes, to the site, to the products, training etc.
We've had the keen and clueless.
The broke and determined.
The lazy
The organised and prepared.
Well you get the picture:lol:
I don't worry anymore, not because I've lost the will to fight, but because I've seen that the ones who don't do it right, don't last.
I've read a few threads on here that I've followed but not added to because I know the poster will either shape up or move on to the next thing
A while ago, we had a young lass on here, who thought she could do it all, without any working capital or a business plan, she would come on here and spout of like she was the greatest. I met her, when I did she was doing a training course at a suppliers I was shopping in.
It was her first day training.................
She was around on here for a couple more months, still doing the big I am.
Then she dispersed. I didn't out her on here, didn't need to.
Deep breath in, slow breath out.
You are doing it the right way. You will get there hun, because you care, because you are a perfectionist and because you won't allow yourself to give up.
For the others, hun, life is too short, if they can't take the advise that is given to them by others with more experience, free of charge, well, its their loss and they are the poorer for it.

Gawd i wish i thought like you :lol: You have very good points hun.

But the problem is those who 'think' they are a beauty therapist and havent taken any proper training or gone down the right routes and work freelance like some of us and give a client a bad impression i think this impression can also spotlight onto those who do have passion and the real qualification.

There is a girl in my area who is a 'beauty therapist' i have had treatments with her such as a beauty therapist she didnt get me to do a patch test or fill out ANY forms.

She done a pedicure for my sisters wedding and done a complete bodge job and she also waxes my sister and no forms have ever been filled out by either myself or my sister. And it just angers me as she charges so cheap and its cheap for a reason.

I get annoyed to think that clients or someone wanting their nails done or tan or any treatment will go and visit those who dont have any training etc when they could be coming to those of us who can give them quality treatment and safety and quality products

 

[naturalnails]

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I get annoyed to think that clients or someone wanting their nails done or tan or any treatment will go and visit those who dont have any training etc when they could be coming to those of us who can give them quality treatment and safety and quality products

I get where you are coming from with this but honestly some clients dont care, they dont understand that waxing is not the same wherever they go or that all nails are not the same - they go to whoever is cheapest.

We need to be educating the customers to know what there is a difference. Some customers do know but the majority probably dont.

Everytime the phone rings what is the first question - price! I have never been asked what product I use, what training I have had or if I am insured.

 

[Violet Star]

I get where you are coming from with this but honestly some clients dont care, they dont understand that waxing is not the same wherever they go or that all nails are not the same - they go to whoever is cheapest.

We need to be educating the customers to know what there is a difference. Some customers do know but the majority probably dont.

Everytime the phone rings what is the first question - price! I have never been asked what product I use, what training I have had or if I am insured.

Yes thats very true and the lady i was talking about in my area is cheap as chips i cannot simply charge the same as her as i use high quality products and have/am attending high quality training.

I do try to educate my clients when it comes to NSS but we cant sit there and educate them fully with every situation as it could come across as we are scared of the competition.

My clients have asked about the product im using but i have Never been asked about training or insurance at all!

I think clients should not only be wary of what they are going to look like after the treatment more so who is doing their treatment, are they qualified,insured and are they using a good product. Its just as important as lack of training as you know can lead to distasters which then leaves the client in a distaster and down in cash.

 

[del3]

I get where you are coming from with this but honestly some clients dont care, they dont understand that waxing is not the same wherever they go or that all nails are not the same - they go to whoever is cheapest.

We need to be educating the customers to know what there is a difference. Some customers do know but the majority probably dont.

Everytime the phone rings what is the first question - price! I have never been asked what product I use, what training I have had or if I am insured.

OK so I'm probably pulling the trigger on myself here :lol:
How do you go about educating those potential clients that call,ask for a price, say 'too expensive' and end up continuing with the local nss or 'not so good' salon down the road?
How can you get across,with out sounding desperate or pushy :lol: that your price justifies all you have spent on quality training,products etc?

These days,especially, everybody wants a bargain,they see a cheeper price and go for it (don't blame them,I do it myself with certain things) not knowing that they are potentially having unknown damage done to their nail/skin/hair, nails especially as there is so much ignorance(is that the right word ?) about the industry.

How can you educate without getting them in front of you, as a client, in the first place?...they may have been goin to a 'cheeper' salon for months or years not knowing the difference between a good or bad service.

I know word of mouth is pricless but at the end of the day when money is tighter,most will go for the 'bargain' price if they don't know any different......won't they ???

Hope this made sence :lol:

 

[blutopaz]

What about emphasising your training, products and insurance coverage in your literature?

you can't control what other people do - only what you do yourself.

In time you will build a much better rep then those you are worrying about. And if their bodging the treatments and the people are still going back, well more fool them for want of a better phrase!

It's just a bug bear your'l have to ignore, as you can't do anything about it

 

[Violet Star]

Del you have actually triggered something off for me there. Your right we cannot sit on the phone explaining it all without sounding desperate.

So what im going to do is set up a page on my website about choosing the right salon. Explainig how my prices include my high quality training, products etc. And how a cheaper price always has its faults behind it.

Im going to mention that as a client whether they come to me or someone else they should always ask about their therapist education or even better see a training certificate so you know fully.

Im also going to explain about consultation cards and patch tests that should be carried out and when.

So clients can have a read of that before they choose their salon or therapist and then have a wider knowledge than just 'looking good'

 

[Susie H]

Yes thats very true and the lady i was talking about in my area is cheap as chips i cannot simply charge the same as her as i use high quality products and have/am attending high quality training.

I do try to educate my clients when it comes to NSS but we cant sit there and educate them fully with every situation as it could come across as we are scared of the competition.

My clients have asked about the product im using but i have Never been asked about training or insurance at all!

I think clients should not only be wary of what they are going to look like after the treatment more so who is doing their treatment, are they qualified,insured and are they using a good product. Its just as important as lack of training as you know can lead to distasters which then leaves the client in a distaster and down in cash.

Around my area, you can get a set of pink and white for as little as £15
I'm sure if I cared to look I would find all the other beauty treatments just as cheep.
I don't bother looking,
I'll give you an example, I'm sure she won't mind.:lol:
Susan, Angel fingers, charges far more for her nails then £15 and if you want her to do your nails, you are out of luck. She if fully booked.
She was part of a play weekend, locally to us, for her product line and met the other members of the training team at the hotel the night before and did a kick a** set of nails on one of the team, later that evening they all went down to the hotel bar and a couple of girls were admiring Susan's work and she actually said, please don't get me anymore clients, I don't have enough hours in the day as it is.
Susan is good at what she does, she doesn't do pink and white very often, her clients come to her because she does different nails to everyone else in the town, she's an educator and wouldn't dream of dropping her prices.
Don't worry about the cheep as chips crowd, keep doing what you are doing, word soon spreads when you are the best, I don't want the clients who want cheep, I've had them. They constantly moan, break appointments at the drop of a hat, run late and are always looking for something for nothing. I want the clients who bring flowers to say thank you when you fit them in, or to say sorry when they are late and you still see them.
Build with quality, that is what makes a sustainable business.

 

[Beautification]

I kind of agree with what your saying there.

The college i trained at is ment to be the best for beauty in England and yet all i did was apply and i got on the course..and i think there was only 3 of us on the course who were serious about.

 

[Violet Star]

Around my area, you can get a set of pink and white for as little as £15
I'm sure if I cared to look I would find all the other beauty treatments just as cheep.
I don't bother looking,
I'll give you an example, I'm sure she won't mind.:lol:
Susan, Angel fingers, charges far more for her nails then £15 and if you want her to do your nails, you are out of luck. She if fully booked.
She was part of a play weekend, locally to us, for her product line and met the other members of the training team at the hotel the night before and did a kick a** set of nails on one of the team, later that evening they all went down to the hotel bar and a couple of girls were admiring Susan's work and she actually said, please don't get me anymore clients, I don't have enough hours in the day as it is.
Susan is good at what she does, she doesn't do pink and white very often, her clients come to her because she does different nails to everyone else in the town, she's an educator and wouldn't dream of dropping her prices.
Don't worry about the cheep as chips crowd, keep doing what you are doing, word soon spreads when you are the best, I don't want the clients who want cheep, I've had them. They constantly moan, break appointments at the drop of a hat, run late and are always looking for something for nothing. I want the clients who bring flowers to say thank you when you fit them in, or to say sorry when they are late and you still see them.
Build with quality, that is what makes a sustainable business.

Wow i wish i was busy enough to say no more clients :lol:

At the moment i am charging 15.00 for pink and whites but as you know i only passed my course last sunday and ive made this clear on my website that im only charging this price as im newly qualified and also made them aware that my prices will be going up soon. And they sure will im not even going to bother looking at any compeitior prices when i charge my real price im going to calculate it my way, my products, my effort and time.

I wont slogg over a set of nails for next to nothing i do belive i am worth more than that! And if people want something special im sure they would pay for it.

Tommorow im going to form that lay out page with all information regarding choosing the right salon and right therapist. So if anyone does want it for their website too Pm me and ill send you a copy to place on yours xx

I kind of agree with what your saying there.

The college i trained at is ment to be the best for beauty in England and yet all i did was apply and i got on the course..and i think there was only 3 of us on the course who were serious about.

Yeah its simular with people who train though, they pretend or think they can train people just because they were qualified in a treatment and tend to con people who want beauty training

 

[Susie H]

Tommorow im going to form that lay out page with all information regarding choosing the right salon and right therapist. So if anyone does want it for their website too Pm me and ill send you a copy to place on yours xx

Great idea hun:hug:

 

[Violet Star]

Thanks susie, I think its the best way to educate our clients without sounding desperate or needy for their custom. xx

 

[kylieb]

Agreed it is very easy to get into college without tutors actually knowing if you have a passion for it or not. But how would they know? How do we know until we are there and doing it?
I think introductory courses are a good idea to give students an insight to what it's actually like.
I started from the very bottom as I have no GCSE'S. My college made me start from level one. To get onto level 2 we had to meet a certain criteria. They marked us on punctuation,attendance, appearance,homework..etc.

Personally I couldn't care less about people on here cutting corners. Are they going to be confident enough to provide treatments to customers in the end? Are they going to be professional and good at their treatments? Probably not!! As long as I have gone about my training in the right way then that's all I care about. My client's know that I am professional and good at what I do. It goes a long way in the end as these are the therapists that get recommended to friends and family, getting YOU the business.
Don't worry yourself over it hun xxx