Primer or not??

[diva27]

Hi all.
I recently took a 10 week taster course and loved so i have enrolled on a full course to gain the qualifications i need to become a nail tech.
I have been practising and put a nail on my mum. I really had trouble getting the tip to stick, 4 tips later i got it on and added the overlay. I thought i had prepped te nail well but the glue didnt want to bond?
Well the tip has now been on a week and is still good, no lifting.
Why couldnt i get the tip on first time??

Also i have ordered some stock from beauty express. i have ordered a primer pen but after reading on here that not all products used require these? How do i know if i need this?
I am using L&P by the way. The products i have oredered are star nails??

Sorry for rambling, any help woul be great x

P.S how do i keep track of the threads i have posted??

 

[min11]

To be honest until you do your course I wouldn't buy anything. You will know if you need primer when your course educates you on wether the system you train with requires one. It's actually quite scary (no offence :hug: ) that you are practicing on anyone with products you dont actually know how to use by the sound of it. Who was the taster course with and what did you cover in it and who is the course you are doing next with? If you are going to college they may have preferred products so what you buy now will not be used.


As you have been addvised in previous topics, why dont you wait? It's easier to start from scratch than un-learn bad habits and wrong techniques :hug:

 

[~Emmsybabes~]

I second everything min has said,
It's really important to know what you are buying before you buy it tbh,
Products are designed to work with each other from specific companies usually,
By using something that is not compatable, you could be letting yourself and clieny in for a heap of problems ,
I know its hard because you are probably very excited hun,
But I would hold out and wait until you begin your course
x

 

[diva27]

Hi the taster course i did was at college, an adult learning course. We only used the acrylic system. The course covered nail prep, diseases, application and backfills. We were shown how to apply tips and overlay. We used salon system.

Really sorry have only just found my previous threads and replys.

The course i have enrolled on is the course that was advertised on here.

 

[~Emmsybabes~]

The course i have enrolled on is the course that was advertised on here.

Who is the course with babe ?

 

[lizzie27]

hi, in my experience this happens with rubbish glue...try to get a 5 sec glue xx

 

[maxine1]

Hi
I have been doing nails forover 20 years.
There are many product now coming that state "no primer needed", I ma from the old school of training and still use primer no matter what the manufacture recommends.

I was using Creative and then ound out that they polishes have formaldeyhde in them. They were asked to remove it and they refused - so I have been on the lookout for another system. I have thrown all their polishes out!
I have tried Hawleys Allume, they say it has no MMA but there is a smell that reminds me of MMA - and most of my clients had trouble with lifting for the first time in over 10 years!!!!
I did try Perma Nail, while not made in AUS their acrylic is blended here in AUS, where as everyone else just imports. It seemed to crystalise.

I stumpled across a supplier called GNB and they sent me a FREE sample of their GORGEOUS acrylic system with my order - it was not bad at all and $100 per litre, so its priced right.

Has anyone else tried it?
Or do you have any other suggestions.

M

 

[geeg]

Hi
I have been doing nails forover 20 years.
There are many product now coming that state "no primer needed", I ma from the old school of training and still use primer no matter what the manufacture recommends.

I was using Creative and then ound out that they polishes have formaldeyhde in them. They were asked to remove it and they refused - so I have been on the lookout for another system. I have thrown all their polishes out!
I have tried Hawleys Allume, they say it has no MMA but there is a smell that reminds me of MMA - and most of my clients had trouble with lifting for the first time in over 10 years!!!!
I did try Perma Nail, while not made in AUS their acrylic is blended here in AUS, where as everyone else just imports. It seemed to crystalise.

I stumpled across a supplier called GNB and they sent me a FREE sample of their GORGEOUS acrylic system with my order - it was not bad at all and $100 per litre, so its priced right.

Has anyone else tried it?
Or do you have any other suggestions.

M

I think you will find if you check, that CND enamels contain formaldehyde RESIN not formalin or formaldehyde. It is the tiniest amount only to prevent bacterial growth in the enamel; a preservative. F-Resin is not the same as formaldehyde... less dehydrating and not enough to cause yellowing of the nail plate or allergic reaction. In fact (after consultation with an expert) I have used it on many a person who told me they were allergic to formaldehyde and they have not been allergic to the F-resin.

 

[doiamailbox]

Geeg say it all.
Check out this link.
http://www.probeauty.org/about/committees/nmc/docs/nmc_brochure.pdf

 

[maxine1]

If "formaldehyde" is so harmless can you tell me why in the USA were OPI and CND asked to remove the "formaldehyde".
OPI have removed it from their new range of polishes, but CND will not.
There are so many nail tech in Sydney that are refusing to buy and use on their clients the CND range of polishes.

No one should be using these polishes on the natural nail and especially on a pregnant woman.

Of course some CND users and lovers will also stick with the formaldehyde polishes, but the ones who really care about client safety will not.

Also in the Australian Womens Health monthly magazine they did a story on Formaldehyde in polishes and its dangers in the their 2nd issue.

Im sure if everyone did a search on google for formaldehyde dangers in polish etc, there would be those for and those against it.

It is personal choice and its simply brilliant that OPI have come to the party and so sad that CND will not.

Only time and sales will tell.

Thanks
maxine

 

[maxine1]

As many articles that you can find stating formaldehyde is safe, there are just as many if not more saying its not.

I would like to know if it is fine and dandy to continue to use CND's formaldehyde polishes - why are other companies removing it. This makes no sense!

Why would so many companies go to the huge expense of re testing, re formulating, re labelling and removing Formaldehyde from their polishes as OPI, Orly, Sally Hansen and Hawley have!

I also do eyelash grafing and many grafters in NSW will not use Hovans eyelash extension glue and it contains formaldehyde.

So there is and has been a sink about this product for years.

I prefer NOT to use any polish with formaldehyde in it, and Im sure when others do read more about it,they will be able to make a decision to continue to use CND or not!

I have felt very strongly about this for many years and am so please that the industry is finally becoming a bit more aware of what chemicals can do to us.



Nail Polish manufacturers remove potentially harmful chemicals

 

[ValencianNails]

Of course some CND users and lovers will also stick with the formaldehyde polishes, but the ones who really care about client safety will not.

That's a very sweeping statement and totally untrue and unfair IMO.

I care about my clients safety and I use Creative, their enamels DO NOT contain formaldehyde but a tiny amount of formaldehyde resin, there is a difference and if you bother to read what Gigi has written in reply to you on this thread and other threads you will see that it's an ingredient that prevents bacterial growth in the enamel bottle.

You seem to have a real gripe with Creative with all of the negative posts you're making, I suggest you contact them directly with your concerns instead of scaremongering on an international forum with opinions which aren't based on fact.

 

[Doorie]

sorry to *** on your parade, but we're talking about primers or not in acrylic system, right?

if you really want my 2 cents on this off topic thing, I honnestly don't think CND would take any risk, health wise, with their polishes, for one easy reason, they have to sell. (saying this is an OPI distributor)

we had been threatened to boycott if we didn't take the formaldehyd out and we did it, also because in the US the regulation of the FDA is really important and severe. if CND has been allowed by this instance to sell their polishes, then so be it and you can use them without risk. the FDA has the products checked by labs...
or stick to OPI, I won't blame you!

 

[Vetty]

As many articles that you can find stating formaldehyde is safe, there are just as many if not more saying its not.

I would like to know if it is fine and dandy to continue to use CND's formaldehyde polishes - why are other companies removing it. This makes no sense!

Why would so many companies go to the huge expense of re testing, re formulating, re labelling and removing Formaldehyde from their polishes as OPI, Orly, Sally Hansen and Hawley have!

I prefer NOT to use any polish with formaldehyde in it, and Im sure when others do read more about it,they will be able to make a decision to continue to use CND or not!

I have felt very strongly about this for many years and am so please that the industry is finally becoming a bit more aware of what chemicals can do to us.



Nail Polish manufacturers remove potentially harmful chemicals

And if you read that link it clearly states that formaldehyde resin is a different chemical to fomaldehyde and many manufacturers removed fomaldehyde from their polishes whilst leaving fomaldehyde resin in. Please stop giving mis-information that denigrates one company.

 

[geeg]

As many articles that you can find stating formaldehyde is safe, there are just as many if not more saying its not.

I would like to know if it is fine and dandy to continue to use CND's formaldehyde polishes - why are other companies removing it. This makes no sense!

Why would so many companies go to the huge expense of re testing, re formulating, re labelling and removing Formaldehyde from their polishes as OPI, Orly, Sally Hansen and Hawley have!

I also do eyelash grafing and many grafters in NSW will not use Hovans eyelash extension glue and it contains formaldehyde.

So there is and has been a sink about this product for years.

I prefer NOT to use any polish with formaldehyde in it, and Im sure when others do read more about it,they will be able to make a decision to continue to use CND or not!

I have felt very strongly about this for many years and am so please that the industry is finally becoming a bit more aware of what chemicals can do to us.



Nail Polish manufacturers remove potentially harmful chemicals

My information is from Doug Schoon the leading chemist for the nail industry who fortunately is a man who puts things into perspective very well with no hype and little emotion ... just the facts.

If CND have taken the deision not remove the RESIN from their polish, because it is not formaldehyde in the same form as other polishes use, as I stated above. In the resin form and in the trace amounts that are in each polish ... it is not in the least harmful. The amount is really the issue as with so many chemicals.

If you feel so strongly about it then of course do what ever you want, as is yur right. For me I will stick to using CND enamels and any other good quality enamel as women have been doing since 1920 with no ill effects.

 

[nailzoo]

Hi
I have been doing nails forover 20 years.
There are many product now coming that state "no primer needed", I ma from the old school of training and still use primer no matter what the manufacture recommends.

I was using Creative and then ound out that they polishes have formaldeyhde in them. They were asked to remove it and they refused - so I have been on the lookout for another system. I have thrown all their polishes out!
I have tried Hawleys Allume, they say it has no MMA but there is a smell that reminds me of MMA - and most of my clients had trouble with lifting for the first time in over 10 years!!!!
I did try Perma Nail, while not made in AUS their acrylic is blended here in AUS, where as everyone else just imports. It seemed to crystalise.

I stumpled across a supplier called GNB and they sent me a FREE sample of their GORGEOUS acrylic system with my order - it was not bad at all and $100 per litre, so its priced right.

Has anyone else tried it?
Or do you have any other suggestions.

M

Maxine, welcome to the site, wow.... you seem like a power poster in the making..... but do seen to lack a bit of nouse and tact.

You seem on the attack of a few products...

And obviously you ignore manufacturers instructions as to primer or no primer (maybe that has something to do with the problems you have had with some systems).

Your problems probably stem from lack of preparation and poor selection (even mixing) of product ...... hell, I don't even buff the natural nail and don't have lift.

And as you stated "you are from the old school", well it's 2008 luv and it's time to move on.

Doing nails for 20 years does not impress me, as i've seen techs with 20 years in the industry still churning out yellowed cockroach backs calling them nails.

Just to give you the heads up...... if the degree of formaldehyde is negligible, they don't have to list it in their MSDS, it's not illegal, nor banned and it may be in your "formaldehyde free polish", most of the crap about chemicals in polish has be "debunked". You really should do more research before spouting off.

In 2 of your posts, you have already crapped on about GNB, a repackager of bulk products of a very basic monomer and powder system (no prob there, but thats what it is),with no research and development (which separates the good from the average) so don't make it into something that it isn't. As AUS companies, both Hawley and Perma actually have research and development (unlike many companies like "insert name here" just funnel filling bottles from an overseas supplier in a back room).

Without blowing my own trumpet as Carl Anderson (a name you should be familiar with), I'd probably know "almost" every product available in AUS .... and although some may bitch about me for doing so, I try them all, ( I do it on myself, not clients), I'll look forward to my sample of GNB.

You also (in this post attack and denounce Hawley Allume), when according to GNB, they source many of their products (almost 50%) from Hawley (so it can't be that bad).

Well it's actually spelt "ILLUME" and if used by experienced techs observing correct preparation procedures using the instructions and the entire range will not lift. So don't blame the product, it's more than likely you.

Also it does not contain MMA, no matter what your nose tells you, it does contain different chemicals to the "basic monomer" you promote, so perhaps thats where your uneducated nose lies or betrays you, (it's quite rude to even infer it contains MMA).

AS far as Perma nail is concerned, you really should do more research into Perma Nail Perma Nail as they "land" many products and re-distribute. I'm betting GNB get something from Perma, but call it their own.

Your crystalisation problem is due to you (your inexperience to ideal working enviroments and the temperature of your immediate area) and I bet you tried the cheapest Perma Nail liquid.

As such a new poster in this forum, you should observe some form of etiquette before slagging other products whilst blatantly promoting another.

AS to your comment that "it's not bad at all", ....... if you are satisfied with this, then perhaps it reflects in the nails you churn out, I'm pleased they are "not bad at all".

However, it doesn't make the product "good, great or outstanding" which is what your product and your nails should be. With the help of a reputable supplier.

 

[maxine1]

Doug Schoon is employed by CND.
Show me the same info from an independant chemist

 

[maxine1]

http://www.safecosmetics.org/newsroom/press.cfm?pressReleaseID=19&bSuppressLayout=1

 

[Peter Pan]

i aint read the whole thread but i dont use pimer at all - the product i use does not need it - with no probs at all

 

[maxine1]

I thought the forums were a place to speak freely and honestly.
That is what I have done, even if you disagree - last time I checked Australia is still a free country where freedom of choice and speech is allowed.
I find your PERSONAL comments Carl Anderson to be quiet offensive an totally uncalled fair and unfair.
Why you choose to slag me personally does show me what kind of person you are.
My nails are brilliant, not that I need to defend myself to you (a name I should be familier with) just shows your arragrance.
I dont know where you get off making this personal!
About my spelling for ALLUME - who gives a toss -really. Do you have such a small client base (mr professional) that you spend all day correcting others spelling, or just mine!
Being a brilliant nail tech,Advanced Technique Educator for Australia's leading manufacturer, web designer and chef - it amazes me where you get the time!
I did observe the correct preperation and instructions as shown to be by a Hawley educator. Its just not for me! Many others use it and thats great - go for it. I was not slagging Hawley!! They have great products that are not over priced like some others.
I joined to forum to find out whats new and whats going on in the world of enhancements and not to have my spelling correct or be personally set upon by a bully brute!
Perma nail does actually blend their acrylic system in OZ, and dont simply "land their products". They also MAKE a great range of wax which I have been using and training with for many years before giving up 2 years ago to have my twins.
I have no clue where GNB get their range from, nor do I care - I simply stated it was a good product.
There are a few companies in OZ that allow self labelling and Hawley are also one!
I do love some of Hawleys other items and will continue to use them - just did not like the Allume - personal choice!
As for "you have already crapped on about GNB, a repackager of bulk products of a very basic monomer and powder system" who would you know where companies get their products from - this is a very close guarded secret.
Anyone could say the same of CND - OPI - Hawley etc etc etc as no one knows exactly were they all get their blend from!
My problem with crystallising is NOT with my inexperience to ideal working enviroments and the temperature of my immediate area - as I have done many thousands sets in many different locations etc over the years so this is not the case.
I did try the Perma Nail liquid which was the cheapest - just as you have, as you said you have tried it all - so what!
I have not heard of you SORRY! I did however have had a look around your site and its great that you are such a professional in so many areas - congrats to you!
I have noticed that you list ABS as your supplier, I hope it not their bubblegum acrylic sytem that you use, it does contain MMA - they have just faxed me the MSDS.
Posting etiquette - write what you want to say and save it - read it 1 hour later and if its still appropriate send it, be carefull not to make personal attacks on people as this can come back to haunt you!
I will contiune to post here, and would appreciate it if at all possible that you resist the urge to slag my work or myself and please try to keep your comments professional.