Questions about Botox

[Hotprincess]

Hi,
Im new on here and some questions about Botox. How do i go about being able to perform Botox on Clients, I have researched on the internet but im getting nowhere, some say you dont need a recognised qualification and other say you need to train as a nurse? Can somebody please point me in the right direction.

xx

 

[Kim Lawless]

Hiya. Contact Wigmore Medical who train and supply the Botox etc.

You will fina one or two companies who will train you if you're not a qualified nurse, but most want you to be either a doc or a nurse (as do Wigmore Medical).

There was a company that was training therapists (not sure of the name), but I was told that they charged a fortune for their equivalent of Botox.

Let us know if you find anyone though as we'd ALL love to be able to do Botox and Fillers xxx

 

[The_Retreat]

Hey hun - its illegal to administer botox if you are not a prescribing proffessional i.e all doctors, some dentists and a few nurses. You need to be uber careful xx I personally think that doctors are your best bet then your covered - thats what we use

 

[botoxwales]

No reputable training company will provide you with training unless your medically qualified in the first place (i.e. Nurse, Dentist, Doctor).

More importanly NOONE will insure you to practise.

DO NOT HAVE BOTOX DONE BY ANYONE WHO IS NOT MEDICALLY QUALIFIED, AND FULLY INSURED.

 

[botoxwales]

Hey hun - its illegal to administer botox if you are not a prescribing proffessional i.e all doctors, some dentists and a few nurses. You need to be uber careful xx I personally think that doctors are your best bet then your covered - thats what we use

Wrong. Botox is prescription only and only a prescriber can prescribe it, but a qualified medical professional can administer.

 

[anna2010]

You are being mislead here. Botox yes is a prescription only medicine but anyone can legally administer it, see department of health website for validation of this.

There is a reputable company who is training non medical professionals to administer botox and fillers and they will provide the prescription and do consultations on your clients to ensure you inject legally! Their trainers are also medical professionals so you would be learning from the best.

 

[Velveteen]

Australia has legislation in force that prevents the administration of Botox and fillers by people other than registered medical practitioners.

From the UK Dept Health website:

Who should carry out these treatments?

Although many of these treatments are currently available on the high street, this does not mean that they are all unregulated. Laser and intense pulsed light clinics must be regulated by the Healthcare Commission, and you should ask to see details of their current registration before agreeing to any treatments.


Botox® is a prescription-only medicine, and must be prescribed by a doctor or dentist and from 1 May 2006, Nurse Independent Prescribers are now able to prescribe Botox® and Vistabel® independently. Ask the prescriber if he or she is a:

• doctor registered with the General Medical Council
• dentist registered with the General Dental Council,
• nurse registered with the Nursing and Midwifery Council

Prescribers may delegate the administration to a suitably qualified and competent other person.


1. Who can administer these medicines?
They can be:
a. self administered
b. administered by an appropriate practitioner
c. administered by anyone acting in accordance with the directions of an appropriate practitioner.


2. Who is an appropriate practitioner?
A doctor, a dentist or, subject to certain limitations, a nurse or pharmacist independent prescriber.



Do not have any treatment unless you can be satisfied that they meet the above requirements.


Other non-surgical cosmetic treatments are not currently regulated and are carried out in hospitals, clinics and beauty salons by doctors, dentists, nurses and beauty therapists. You must make sure that the person or people offering the treatment is adequately trained and sufficiently experienced to enable them to deliver the treatment competently and safely.


The Nursing and Midwifery Council (NMC) do not consider it good practice to administer medicines from a remote prescription or remote directions where the practitioner has not made a thorough assessment of the patient.

This subject's been done to death. Do a search of the forum and you'll find your answers. You'll also get a very keen idea that not many Beauty Therapists want to administer Botox nor do they consider it ethically sound to do so.

 

[daisyl]

You are being mislead here. Botox yes is a prescription only medicine but anyone can legally administer it, see department of health website for validation of this.

There is a reputable company who is training non medical professionals to administer botox and fillers and they will provide the prescription and do consultations on your clients to ensure you inject legally! Their trainers are also medical professionals so you would be learning from the best.

Out of interest (as you have mentioned you operate training), would this company be yourself?

Another point to note - most savvy members of the public will not receive injectable cosmetics from professionals who are not medically qualified.

I would urge anyone considering these treatments to look at the IHAS website which has links to all the regulatory bodies who all quite clearly point out these treatments should only be administered by medically qualified professionals. We can't all be wrong -can we?

I make the above points not to try to be 'clever' or 'better' than anyone else - but really I am concerned with public safety (as a medical professional).

I am done on these boards. I wish all fellow geeks the best of luck in your future businesses.

 

[botoxwales]

You are being mislead here. Botox yes is a prescription only medicine but anyone can legally administer it, see department of health website for validation of this.

There is a reputable company who is training non medical professionals to administer botox and fillers and they will provide the prescription and do consultations on your clients to ensure you inject legally! Their trainers are also medical professionals so you would be learning from the best.

But can you get insurance?

 

[botoxwales]

Out of interest (as you have mentioned you operate training), would this company be yourself?

Another point to note - most savvy members of the public will not receive injectable cosmetics from professionals who are not medically qualified.

I would urge anyone considering these treatments to look at the IHAS website which has links to all the regulatory bodies who all quite clearly point out these treatments should only be administered by medically qualified professionals. We can't all be wrong -can we?

I make the above points not to try to be 'clever' or 'better' than anyone else - but really I am concerned with public safety (as a medical professional).

I am done on these boards. I wish all fellow geeks the best of luck in your future businesses.

Aww Daisy - dont leave !!!

 

[anna2010]

But can you get insurance?

Yes they can actually. One of my friends has a 5 million pound indemnity, they need to see training certificates before they will insure you and need to know what exactly you will inject with regards to fillers and botox etc. You would need to work with a prescriber though to be legal.

Forums are exactly forums, discussion boards, there are many nurses and doctors out there who think beauty therapists shouldn't inject botox but legally they can. You can actually get anyone to inject. I know a doctor who is very well known in the aesthetics industry and she has her husband (a DJ) who injects her botox!!! lol

Botox wales, I think I know you. Are you a gp who has a surname beginning with C?

As long as you are legal, know what you are doing, have insurance then that's all that matters. I used to work for a company training nurses and doctors and I know we failed some nurse and doctors who came on the course for poor practice.

 

[smooth]

The difficult thing you will have is convincing anyone that as a beauty therapist you have the knowledge to be able to undertake these treatments. The few companies that do will charge a lot of money and you can get insurance which again is a lot of money but as soon as there is a claim they will take away insurance for bt! There have been a couple already but have been rejected by the insurance so it is still in place.

My thoughts are that you shouldn't want to or actually train, this is wrong on so many levels, why do you think it is acceptable to mix injecting botox for a client that you have just given a bikini wax to?

3- 5 years of university study ensures doctors, dentists and nurses have the underpinning knowledge to administer these treatments and undertake a thorough consultation along with the ability to safely and effectively deal with anaphylactic reaction.

Finally, botox is a POM and the GMC, GDC and NMC do not agree with remote prescriptions (even if the prescriber has undertaken a telephone consultation with the client!) so there will be no support from the relevant agency so they face losing their registration if they do this. In view of this, would they prescribe for a bt who does not have a relevant body to regulate their actions? I think the answer is no.

 

[TheBack&Beyond]

Just an observation.

I've been here for well over a year and botox never really came up. Then there's a posting with a mobile mobile number for training and then along come the newbies asking for extremely specific botox training???

So in my mind I’m thinking how suddenly this demand for training happened.

Horror of horror - could anyone be bigging up the demand? Could someone develop multiple personalities?

Could it all be a strange coincidence?????

Why would one person's first post to this group be "how do I get botox training?". That's so way out there - I just can't believe it!

Just an observation.

 

[smooth]

Just an observation.

I've been here for well over a year and botox never really came up. Then there's a posting with a mobile mobile number for training and then along come the newbies asking for extremely specific botox training???

So in my mind I’m thinking how suddenly this demand for training happened.

Horror of horror - could anyone be bigging up the demand? Could someone develop multiple personalities?

Could it all be a strange coincidence?????

Why would one person's first post to this group be "how do I get botox training?". That's so way out there - I just can't believe it!

Just an observation.

You need to get a life, seriously. Someone (a newbie, so what?) posted something on here and amongst myself but daisyl commented saying beauty therapists shouldn't inject. Are you just that bitter? I don't normally take offence to people but you seemed to get the goat up big style; not only because of your posts but because of the vile messages you send via PM!

Get over it, bt should not train in botox, they may want to offer it in their salon and if they do then fair enough they can get some one in who can comply with the law.

If a bt posts on here about botox training then a polite I'm sorry but you have to be medically qualified would suffice. Instead you launch into another attack, I'm getting close as to whether I can count your personal attacks on one hand. In another post you have a go at me for praising a plastic surgeon who can correct some botched work that another surgeon did that has left me to file a malpractice claim. Your response? A lovely, heart rendering question of whether I was being paid to advertise the surgeon! Are you for real? What happened to empathy?

I am on here to offer advise on such non surgical injectables as a practitioner myself (fully qualified medical professional).

I definitely think each to their own and all that but in this case you are so far off the mark that you are personally looking at persecuting all those who dare mention the "B" word. Why don't you look back and you will see the subject has been on here for some time now and daisyl has been commenting on them for longer than I have.

So for the person who wrote this post my questions are:-

Are you medically or nurse qualified? If not then you cannot get training and the legislation is such that you will not be able to receive the product to administer it and it is against all professional standards to do remote prescribing. I personally think you are not, hence your post on here.

There are companies who will train bt, will I mention them? No, I think it's wrong for many reasons apart from that you can easily break the law in doing so!

If you are medically qualified, then all you have to do is google botox training and you will see a multitude of companies who offer this training.

 

[smooth]

Also, there is no point phoning any pharmacy as you cannot buy it, it can only be prescribed and as a person who is not eligible to prescribe they will not be able to dispense it to you.

 

[welshbeauty]

I think the topic of botox has become more of a discussion topic as it is becoming more and more popular. People used to recieve botox, keep it secret and there was a lot of controversy about the appearence (mainly people having too much and looking like frankenstein) However it is something consumers(can I use that word?) are more open about now. Botox itself is becoming more availible. We used to have to go to doctors nurses etc in clinics which i gues can feel a bit daunting to some, now doctors/nurses etc are offering it in salons which I guess seems 'more friendly' or less 'surgery like'.
What I am trying to say is the subject is generally less of a taboo and more talked about hence in my opinion- and no-one please shout at me- a subject opened up on these forums more frequently.

 

[smooth]

I think the topic of botox has become more of a discussion topic as it is becoming more and more popular.
What I am trying to say is the subject is generally less of a taboo and more talked about hence in my opinion- and no-one please shout at me- a subject opened up on these forums more frequently.

Well said Welshbeauty!!!!!!!!

 

[wonderwoman]

i think it is more of a discussion, each to their own! ive seen some good ones and some bruised lookin ppl! ne1 catch a look at what happened to kim kardashians face?! hehe!

Nehoo heard this on the radio today and its info on a new regulation which i think you guys have covered! Please read, think it has all the info you need! HTH's xoxo

BBC News - Botox industry register launched

 

[smooth]

IHAS has been coming for many years now but kept getting put back 6 months. It is now here and I am eager to see how quickly people will sign up for it if they are not going to actively prevent non qualified people from practicing. The only thing they are doing is stopping doctors from remote prescribing so unless you know a doctor around the corner who will prescribe you won't be able to get hold of the product.

 

[TheBack&Beyond]

I did start a fun reply - but I heeded your kind response - and chose to get a life!

I'm so glad it's not ALL about you and your frozen plastic face.

Respect, hugs etc.