Retention + with other branded powder???

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A friend of mine (fellow nail tech) who has recently converted from Ez Flow to Creative was telling me as she had lots of Ez Flow powder left she had been using it with the Retention + monomer on clients before getting any other powder. I was always taught that you must stick to the same branded L&P's, but is this just a selling point for brands?? I am just curious as she told me there is no problems with it and she's done more than a dozen set of nails on clients with no problems whatsoever!!!! I would like to hear people's views on this one! xx
 
It is true that you shouldn't mix different brands, however I believe that Ezflow say that you can use their powders with other brands of liquid.
 
Would be best to check with the manufactures hun x
 
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That's interesting. I just dont see why their brand is so different that you can do this??? I am really curious about this matter...I mean, I know we've all been educated by our respective companies, and that's who we've been moulded by, just makes me think....does it really make a difference or are we just warped by their jargon? I dont mean any disrespect to any companies because I myself have been trained very well by one of them as have the vast majority of people on here. It just reminds me...you know on shampoo bottles it always says 'use with ***** conditioner' lol I know that isn't exactly the best example but hopefully you get my point!! xx
 
Any liquid with any powder will form some sort of polymer .. but it will not form the optimum polymer that the manufacturer promises.

I once mixed powder with acetone by mistake (many years ago (before Radical the first blue liquid came out) .. and it made a plastic ... it was horrible but it made it !!

CND do not recommend or endorse the use of their liquids with other powders and visa versa. Is is not marketing it is good sound chemical sense. Liquids and powders are made specifically to go together.

The technician has no idea if it is 'just fine' or not and while I don't think it would be dangerous, it would neither be smart nor sound to do so.
 
Do a search on here about the subject because I've seen quite a few threads about this before.

There's a lot of science in it when it comes to mixing certain products. I'll see if I can find the thread that I'm thinking of and will post a link.

I don't think it's just certain brands trying to keep you with certain brands, if I remember right thinking particulary about Creative, some of their powders can only be used with a certain one of their monomers.

I'll see if I can find it, it'll be explained a lot better than what I can!

xx
 
Thanks for everyone's views...like I said I was just curious. It's not personally something I would even think about xx
 
Personally, even though it says it on the tin, I wouldn't recommend mixing brands....you get monomer in the EzFlow kits, so why not try it?

I have used the glitter powders with Ret+ thinly and overlaying with Perfect powders in the past but no way would I do a full enhancement service using CND powders and EzFlow liquid and vice versa.....not worth it in the long run in terms of ratio and service breakdown
 
Just come across these posts on another thread relating to mixing brands.
Our very own Mr Geek has these wise words on mixing brands.

The Geek said:
It is VERY dangerous to intermix monomer and polymer systems. Especially when you are mixing odourless and non-odourless systems. It may SEEM fine on the outside, but you are putting your client at serious overexposure risks that may not manifest themselves for months after.

You could also be found legally negligent in doing so (which means a client could very easily sue you if they develop a reaction).


It really depends on the powder. If it contains BPO then I would say no, however if they are just pigmented polymer, then it shouldn't really affect the chemical reactions (much in the same way that glitter won't really affect your powder). Saying that, it still can affect your curing. For instance, if 1/2 of your bead it glitter or just pigmented powder, then you are relying on the other half having enough BPO content to ensure a proper cure.

Hope that makes sense :)

I can't really comment on adding anything to your powders that was not put there by the manufacturer. In the case of extra pigments, I really don't see coloured powders being any more expensive than the powder you are using as a base and with those you at least know that they will be compatible! Anyhoo...

What I am saying is that all powders contain various ingredients and levels of ingredients. One very important ingredient with most powders is BPO (yup! Benzoyl Peroxide). BPO is one ingresient that is responsible for controlling the curing of your monomer. Too little means a slower cure time (in some instances a nail that never fully cures!). Too much and you will 'shock cure' the enhancement. This is why mix ratio is an important part of working with your L&P system. The wetter of a mix you use, the less BPO. The drier of a mix you use, the more BPO. This can radically affect the performance (and more importantly) the safety of the application.

When you start intermixing systems, you start intermixing amounts and levels of BPO (as well as other ingredients) so you really don't have a clue of the ratio you should be working at. Each monomer is specifically designed to work with a specific polymer - there are no exceptions. Most of the companies that say their polymer is 'universal' are the same companies that do not have an R&D facility and to me seem more interested in making a quick sale then investigating the reality of the situation. A good example is Moxie liquid - you shouldn't use original SolarNail powders with it, only use Ultra or Perfect Color powders. If powders were universal, why the silly restriction? Because CND have an R&D lab that designs their products and they realise that you can not make a powder that works with all liquids!

I have said it 1,000 times before: If you want the most optimum performance and you want to provide the safest service possible, NEVER intermix systems.

If you like Brand A liquid, use their powder. If you like Brand B powder, use their liquid!!!

The EXACT same thing goes for UV lights (think of the UV light as being the 'BPO' part of your gel application. Too little UV exposure is like working too wet, too much UV exposure is like working too dry).

In my eyes, safety and security for my clients are NEVER negotiable.
HTHs!
 
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I can totally see the science and that there are experts in chemistry that have researched into this area..... but Ezflow do Print on the boxes of the glitter collection that there powders CAN be used with any monomer. I am sure it is because of the amount of polymer is alot less than the amounts of glitter.
If it were dangerous to do so i am sure they would not print this knowing there is a risk to the clients health or that the product would break down.....i am sure they must have done their own research into whether this was possible.
Of course to get the best out of your products it is best to stick to a brands complete system. I'm in no way arguing the facts stated by experts in the industry but dont see why a brand as big as ezflow would print or promote this if it were dangerous as stated. I am of course only talking about the intermixng of ezflow glitters with other monomers.....not any other brand
 
I know it is just a question but please ALL take note of the above links and info. Is it really worth the risk? As many have said, you will get some sort of result but will it be a result that is a pro or con for your reputation? Dont take that risk, do what your supplier advises.
 
When I joined the place I currently work, I was going through the COSHH cupboard and found some CND powder even though we use EzFlow. The "knowlegeable" girl there said "that's ok, it's left over from what we used to use, you can still use it with the EzFlow liquid". I told her I'd NEVER do that in case of overexposure, and she looked at me like I was psycho or something. (PS I'm working my way outa there! She (and everyone else there) also tells EVERY new client how our soak off gel is so much better for the nails as it lets them breathe and doesn't do the same damage as acrylics. I've tried to educate them but they think 'cos I'm new in that particular salon, that they know better. HHMMMM!)
 

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