Shellac. Do I really need a CND UV Lamp?

[The Geek]

Its easy: If you don't want to use the CND lamp, use another brand.

Sheesh. The amount of time spent trying to convince yourself that another lamp could of generated you the income to get said lamp.

 

[deanosnana]

its easy: If you don't want to use the cnd lamp, use another brand.

Sheesh. The amount of time spent trying to convince yourself that another lamp could of generated you the income to get said lamp.

Amen!

 

[Cesalon]

I agree about not knowing if it's cured etc as I said i don't know anything about nails which is why I also said if nail techs can say no harm is being done it shouldn't be a problem, as for the revenue on the lamps and bulb that will be huge, I don't know the price on the lamp but from working in electronics and knowing the cost price of printers I bet the lamp is about £11 and the bulbs they will be pennies so big profits there!

 

[lucyboo]

I don't use shellac I use ibd gel & when I first started using it I used a bog standard 36 watt lamp sure it appeared to be fully cured but I was finding that the product just wasn't lasting so I bought the ibd lamp & now the product works great, the ibd jet 5000 uses 2x 8w bulbs but the reflectors in the lamp make it work with the gel!

 

[The Geek]

I agree about not knowing if it's cured etc as I said i don't know anything about nails which is why I also said if nail techs can say no harm is being done it shouldn't be a problem, as for the revenue on the lamps and bulb that will be huge, I don't know the price on the lamp but from working in electronics and knowing the cost price of printers I bet the lamp is about £11 and the bulbs they will be pennies so big profits there!

And I can tell you that my experience with computer components that it would cost £1,799.98 to make that lamp.

See how that works both ways?

Your "guess" is just that nor it does not account for the manufacturer of the bulbs or the markup from the manufacturers of the lamps nor shipping, duty or other distribution costs.

It doesn't take Stephen Hawking to calculate that there is a LOT more money would be made simply selling Shellac that would work with a multitude of lamps however even a marginal amount of research demonstrates that science says that is impossible to achieve (regardless of your personal feeling on the matter).

Practically speaking, the science is further supported by the sheer magnitude of technical support issues that are immediately cleared up when the correct lamp is used. Why you would want to risk clients experiencing service breakdown or allergic reactions because you wanted to save very little amount of money by not following manufacturers directions is sort of crazy.

While you are of course more than welcome to keep trying to convince yourself that you can forgo the lamp, personally I think its wrong to try and convince others that they too should not follow manufacturers directions.

Education should be based on fact, not on wild assumptions, crazy speculation or simple myths.

 

[ELJ-11]

I'm on a tight budget being only 18, mobile beauty part time is my only job and i'm at college full time...

BUT

I invested in the CND lamp and do not regret it. It's beautiful, easy to use, the timer is fantastic. As you're spending money on the polishes already you might as well spend the extra £100!

You'll make your money back too I know it's scary spending a lot out in one go but it is an investment and it's the only way to guarantee you get the results you want.

Be brave and go for it! xxx

 

[Cesalon]

And I can tell you that my experience with computer components that it would cost £1,799.98 to make that lamp.

See how that works both ways?

Your "guess" is just that nor it does not account for the manufacturer of the bulbs or the markup from the manufacturers of the lamps nor shipping, duty or other distribution costs.

No that would just be silly to sell something at a loss, I haven't once mentioned markup or any other costing factor, I said cost! I also have never said I wouldn't use the recommended lamp, I have never tried recommending anyone else to use another lamp either, what I have said is another lamp MAY work perfectly, or different bulbs MAY work. However you also can not say all other lamps will not work.

Different people have different opinions some are more swayed one way or another for different reasons, ie a cnd partner/affiliate will say use it, a nail tech who uses a £25 lamp off eBay and doesn't seem to have any problems would not. Me personally would like to use all the same make products because it looks more professional in my opinion but as I keep repeating I don't know about nails this is just an opinion.

 

[Vetty]

I agree about not knowing if it's cured etc as I said i don't know anything about nails which is why I also said if nail techs can say no harm is being done it shouldn't be a problem

If you knew anything about nails (which you say you don't) you would know that nail techs cannot tell by eye if a products is cured or not, so have no idea if they are causing harm or not. So kindly keep your uneducated opinions away from an educational forum.

as for the revenue on the lamps and bulb that will be huge, I don't know the price on the lamp but from working in electronics and knowing the cost price of printers I bet the lamp is about £11 and the bulbs they will be pennies so big profits there!

You (and the rest of us) have no idea of the cost price of a lamp but I know the R+D costs have to be recouped. Profit is not a dirty word and profit is what enables CND (and others) to innovate and create to improve the nail industry.

Do you know if all of you cynics and messers want to put the health of your clients at risk, carry on. When your paying clients are fed up of being short-changed they will come elsewhere to techs like me (and many of my knowledgeable and talented geeky friends) who have invested the time and money in their education to know that offering a top quality service is what keeps clients coming back and paying premium prices.

So crack on with your fleabay lamp and carry on short-changing your clients. Btw, your insurance will be invalid with your fleabay lamp, so good luck when you cause an allergic reaction

 

[Cesalon]

If you knew anything about nails (which you say you don't) you would know that nail techs cannot tell by eye if a products is cured or not, so have no idea if they are causing harm or not. So kindly keep your uneducated opinions away from an educational forum.



You (and the rest of us) have no idea of the cost price of a lamp but I know the R+D costs have to be recouped. Profit is not a dirty word and profit is what enables CND (and others) to innovate and create to improve the nail industry.

Do you know if all of you cynics and messers want to put the health of your clients at risk, carry on. When your paying clients are fed up of being short-changed they will come elsewhere to techs like me (and many of my knowledgeable and talented geeky friends) who have invested the time and money in their education to know that offering a top quality service is what keeps clients coming back and paying premium prices.

So crack on with your fleabay lamp and carry on short-changing your clients. Btw, your insurance will be invalid with your fleabay lamp, so good luck when you cause an allergic reaction

Laughable how someone just because not a nail tech can't have an opinion!!! Have I said anything about profit being a problem? no because we all make it in one way or another! Did I say I'd use one from eBay? no again I said I'd use the manufacture one! Are you an electronics expert or a creator of a uv system I'm guessing not so your opinion is probably no more valid than mine with the exception of what you have been told by people in the know! I haven't insulted anyone, told anyone they are wrong or caused any harm to my knowledge. You don't know my history apart from knowing I'm not a nail tech an I don't know yours apart from your currently probably a descent nail tech to feel so strongly about a lamp. Sorry if I have offended you or anyone else but my opinion is just that an opinion!

 

[lorrainewoodrow]

I have a 54 watt lamp no problems at all shellac lasts 4 weeks no chipping no peeling, i just soak off due growth of nail. This applies to light colour and dark. You must remember to apply thinly otherwise can peel or even chip. It is down to the outputt of the bulbs not the wattage. Makesure when you replace your bulbs that you have good output and replace regularly .

 

[Cesalon]

I have a 54 watt lamp no problems at all shellac lasts 4 weeks no chipping no peeling, i just soak off due growth of nail. This applies to light colour and dark. You must remember to apply thinly otherwise can peel or even chip. It is down to the outputt of the bulbs not the wattage. Makesure when you replace your bulbs that you have good output and replace regularly .

Sounds good to me

 

[Cat.]

I was unsure too but i bought the lamp after reading threads on here and havent had a problem since.. I love it.. I had a client today who had a shellac pedicure about 3 or so weeks ago before her holiday and today it was still perfect and she was very happy.. Before i bought the lamp it was lifting (on myself).. Now i have no problems and it lasts like ot should i say go for it and buy it.. 100% worth it in my opinion!! Cnd reccomend it for a reason and its clear why

Cat

 

[C the Results]

I think this thread has gone far enough it is clear there is mixed opinions some think its fine not to use the CND lamp and others think it imperative, I have the CND lamp and wouldn't change it for the world but everyone is entitled to there opinion on here as far as i'm aware we are talking £100 quid not thousands though and at £25 a set you will make your money back in no time!!

 

[mini4mum]

I trialled 3 uv lamps, when I purchased Shellac nearly a year ago (omg) I could not for love nor money get hold if a CND lamp.
So 1st I tried my Biosculpture lamp, cured ok not 100%
then tried another uvlamp another therapist lent me doing her nails lol! Again it didn't cure evenly.
I waited & the time was worth it! When I got my CND lamp it worked everytime, all the time.
In many nail & beauty treatments you can cherry pick.
BUT don't even bother or try with Shellac it is made as a system. Take it from one whom has experimented, learnt the mistakes (ideally would have purchased lamp at begininning!!) and happy to pass it on

 

[mini4mum]

Cat & Claire i so agree. We are totally trying to convert the unconvertible. It's really not rocket science - the system was built as a system & to be sold as such. That's it in a nut shell. Would you advertise that you Decleor facials and then use salon systems ? No. The whole process should be one entirety.

 

[K-Nails]

Well all I can say is that I love my CND lamp. My clients (family and friends at the moment) think it is very professional and I have named it Clara cos I love it soooo much. Would I want an inferior Clara, I DONT THINK SO!!! On a more serious note, would you knowlingly use something on yourself that perhaps would not be safe. No. So why risk it on others.

 

[Clare_11]

I have to say Cesalon you have made some excellent points and I think the information you have kindly shared is what makes for all these questions about the lamps. My personal opinion is that there are far too many abrupt know it all on this forum and it's supposed to be for helpful discussions. All very touché when it comes to CND!! And very snappy when somebody doesn't agree with them, I find this really surprising as these are all professionals that work with the general public everyday, should have better attitudes.

 

[geeg]

Systems work and that is why they are systems. The cnd uv lamp is not dear ... Don't use it and for sure you will have problems.

 

[Nailsinlondon1]

Why invest in a system and then not use that system as a system?
Why risk under curing, over exposure to uncured product?
Why risk system breakdown because of over cured product?

I am a nail Technician not a Electronics specialist and would never try to be one.
But when I invest in something new and innovating, I want to make sure that it does what it says on the tin LOL. So when a company tells me that their product has been tried and tested with 100% success rate, years of testing bulbs, UVA output from different bulbs been put to the test, positioning of bulbs has been taken in to consideration, money has been spent on developing a new product that requires this tried and successfully tested curing method, why would I doubt it?
Why would they spent money on this research if they could just get any lamp to work? Why throw money at Research and Development? Why not put this money to creating other new innovating new products?

Simple, they want us to have a product, a system, that they can with hand on heart say will work. So we the Technicians can tell our clients that this will work, that it is safe, will not cause any problems in the long run and will cause no damage to the natural nail.
If I invest in a system I need to be able to trust it. When I buy a product that promises me all that, I need to be able to trust that this is going to happen.
So it is trust that makes me buy the right Lamp for this system. It is this trust, I can then pass on to my clients, as they trust me to be educated and informed to make the right choice for them.
But this trust comes from facts based on science, research and field testing.

Just like I trust my dentist when he says brush your teeth, or you will loose them. But hey what if I think, ok I will just rinse them with mouth wash that should to it lol.....There will come a time, when he will say to me, you should have trusted me when I told you to brush your teeth, now its time for dentures lol......
So I trust him as I dont want to loose my teeth and I trust CND because I dont want to loose my clients either xxx

I know a bit of a weird analogy, but it works for me xxxx