Shop fit on possible new salon...

[makeupartistzoe]

Heya everyone, I think this is more suited to a trades persons forum but as a girly girl some rogue traders may see me coming!!!

I am in the earlier stages of writing a business plan for a new venture. I've been to see a property I like where the size, location and feel is great but the damp, flooring and ceiling isn't. Please could you guess the cost of doing the following for me...I guess some people would know 1st hand...

1. Buying and fitting 23 sq metres of hardwearing wood/preferably laminate flooring and plastering the ceiling and fitting spotlights (23 sq metres-this is the shop front.)

2.Damp proofing a cold basement, there is a bit of mould on the walls and is cold (and there are 'pavement lights' glass blocks that are exposed and would probs need windows on them.)

3.Dividing the basement into two rooms and then buying and fitting a cheaper laminate (the large basement is 24 sq metres) and spotlighting the two rooms?

and possibly putting in lots and lots of plug sockets...I'm happy to paint and do other bits myself but it's hard to estimate, my friends and family aren't really hands on with stuff like this. I know it would be hard to guess without seeing it, it's pretty damp but got too much potential....I can't stop thinking bout it....mapping out where the styling stations could be in my lil head....

Thanks very much,
Zoe

ps if it sound like an absolute nightmare then I wont take it on, I've only viewed it once and havent spoken to the landlord directly, could probs negotiate a good deal but havent got a million trillion pounds..

 

[Little Angel]

HI

You really need to get some trades men in to quote you, but to be honest if its damp and cold i would look elsewere. It can be a real nightmare, you will need a waterproof membrane on the walls, ceiling and floor and it really depends on the extent of the damp, without seeing it no-one can give you a quote.

plus if it is damp laminate is the last thing you want to lay.

I have trouble with one wall of my salon and after 15 years of fighting it i took the route of having white plastic pannelling fitted, solved the salt dropping off the walls and ruining my decor and posters in its tracks!

 

[jes]

Before getting in a builder, I'd do the following....

If you're thinking of buying or leasing the property then you need to have the building properly inspected/surveyed, to make sure there isn't any serious problems causing the damp.

You should also ask your council for planning permission, before you do anything with the basement, as they can be 'funny' about the lack of emergency exits, ventilation, etc

Also changing a 'storage area basement' into a 'retail area basement' (if allowed) will increase your rateable value, so you'll have to inform the Valuation Office Agency (VOA) and your rates will increase

HTH

 

[tenorcutie]

you mention a landlord so im assuming you are renting the property. I would think he has a responsibity to provide a dry, safe building if hes planning on letting it out!

Personally unless i had some reasurances regarding the integrity of the building i wouldnt touch it!

 

[makeupartistzoe]

Heya Guys,

Thaks very much for your advice. I've managed to email a local tradesman about all of the work and hes quoted me....except the damp which he says he'd have to see. I do think the damp would be the landlords problem but the quote for everything else I'd want doing otherwise isn't completely unattainable and I can't get the shop out of my head!

I wouldn't do anything without a serious chat with the letting agents, landlord, builders and surveyed but I need to think about the council and planning permission which didn't cross my mind at all!

-Little Angel can you remember roughly how much white plastic pannelling cost you? Thanks

 

[chicchick]

Hi makeupartistzoe,

Getting the premises right is absolutely crucial, because once you've taken on a lease it's not going to be easy to get out of legal commitments very easily.
I'd keep looking around for premises, and being as businesslike as you can. When I was looking for premises, there were places I really liked but in the end, the amount of problems to overcome with the premises just made some of them a potential (and very expensive) nightmare to take on.
Get a proper surveyor to go over the premises before you even consider going to the next stage, as s/he will be able to identify all the issues you mention (and spot more) and they will also be a mine of information for knowing what remedial works will be needed befor eyou even get to your salon fit. That will cost you, but if it brings up all sorts of nightmares its money well spent to prevent you taking on somewhere that will drain your finances.
Another posint I'd make is that location is even more important than the premises themselves, so ask yourself whether for your target clientele, the place you've seen is "ideal" or whether you should identify the location first and then look for premises in that location.
Hairdressers' Journal did a great feature on all the things to think about for planning and opening a salon including bands of costings (per square foot) depending on what level of fit you might be after. I don't know if it's still something on their website archive, but it's worth tracking down, and also looking at new salons they feature which have the costings on their hj profiles.
Very best of luck with it, and keep doing your planning as thoroughly as you can

 

[angeleyes01]

Heya everyone, I think this is more suited to a trades persons forum but as a girly girl some rogue traders may see me coming!!!

I am in the earlier stages of writing a business plan for a new venture. I've been to see a property I like where the size, location and feel is great but the damp, flooring and ceiling isn't. Please could you guess the cost of doing the following for me...I guess some people would know 1st hand...

1. Buying and fitting 23 sq metres of hardwearing wood/preferably laminate flooring and plastering the ceiling and fitting spotlights (23 sq metres-this is the shop front.)

2.Damp proofing a cold basement, there is a bit of mould on the walls and is cold (and there are 'pavement lights' glass blocks that are exposed and would probs need windows on them.)

3.Dividing the basement into two rooms and then buying and fitting a cheaper laminate (the large basement is 24 sq metres) and spotlighting the two rooms?

and possibly putting in lots and lots of plug sockets...I'm happy to paint and do other bits myself but it's hard to estimate, my friends and family aren't really hands on with stuff like this. I know it would be hard to guess without seeing it, it's pretty damp but got too much potential....I can't stop thinking bout it....mapping out where the styling stations could be in my lil head....

Thanks very much,
Zoe

ps if it sound like an absolute nightmare then I wont take it on, I've only viewed it once and havent spoken to the landlord directly, could probs negotiate a good deal but havent got a million trillion pounds..

It's really hard to give an estimate when you can't see the place yourself. WHat you really need to do is make a list of exactly what you think needs to be done. Get quotes from three building / decorating companies. They should be able to visit the place and give you a quote for free with no obligation. If you get 3 quotes you can easily see what is a good price for the work and who is a charlatan. The landlord should have no problem with you getting people in to quote for work if it helps him / her to rent / sell the place. Make sure the tradespeople are all quoting for the same work. And ask their advice - they are usually happy to give advice and share their knowledge.

Good luck with it.