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Food for thought peeps!

How many of you check the credentials of those you book courses with? Do you take their word for it or do you check to see what they are saying is true?

The reason I ask is because in the last year or so there have been more and more therapists entering the world of training, either for a company or on their own and good for them in that. Trouble is they seem to spend less and less time in the business before jumping to become trainers.

How much experience would you like to see your educators have in the particular subject you wish to train in?

Do you think that it is important that they actually make a living from their work or is it ok to have a full time job and only do their beauty part time in the evenings and weekends? Would you be able to take business advice from someone who has not worked their beauty/nails/hair as a business?

For those of you who have attended private training courses, how much research have you done before attending or do you just take the word of the trainer as to when he/she started in the industry and that they actually qualified in the particular subject?

There have been a few threads on here recently about geeks attending courses that were not even accredited but I have come across trainers in my time that either didn't have the experience they say they have or have exaggerated their experience or worse still did a day course and a little while later set up as a trainer. The importance to check credentials is paramount to you getting the right training and knowing you can trust who you are paying your hard earned money to.

So how many of you do your homework?:wink2:
 

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But surely if a course is accredited, this is proof that a trainer is qualified and has suitable experience?
 

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I think the trouble is that virtually anyone can have a course accredited. They only have to do a PTTL's course, pay the insurance company and annual fee and away you go!

Who gives the people accrediting the course the authority to accredit courses? I've never been able to find that out.
 

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What did you have to show Kim? I have been looking into training and that is what has sparked me off. I have been in the industry for around 18 years but have watched people come in and go straight to training others without any real experience and this worries me.

So what qualifications do the insurers ask for and should they ask for more?

I also think that a potential trainer should be assessed for ability in their field of expertise before being accepted for accreditation and wonder if you agree?:wink2:
 

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I have my courses accreditted through The Guild and I have to provide certificates in any course that I wish to teach, also proof of teaching certificate, etc.

I also am putting my courses through Professional Beauty and again, they have asked for copies of all relevant certicates and teaching certificate.

I can't speak for other accreditation companies.

Oh and 20+ years for my teaching and 17 for holistic therapies.
 

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I agree with this topic!

A few months ago on I went on a semi permanent eyelash extension course and the trainer was not suitably experienced at all and I had to demand my money back. Not going to name names or insult them but . . .

The trainer admitted she does not even do full sets of SP lashes, only put one or two in to show other therapists, and if she had to do a full set, she would struggle and take her hours!! I was fuming. She was supposed to be an expert

Also when she was isolating lashes, there was clearly about 5 or 6 lashes there. She was clearly not suitable to train anyone, but everyone on her course passed!

I demanded my money back and rebooked with a different company.

Zoe.
 

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I agree with this topic!

A few months ago on I went on a semi permanent eyelash extension course and the trainer was not suitably experienced at all and I had to demand my money back. Not going to name names or insult them but . . .

The trainer admitted she does not even do full sets of SP lashes, only put one or two in to show other therapists, and if she had to do a full set, she would struggle and take her hours!! I was fuming. She was supposed to be an expert

Also when she was isolating lashes, there was clearly about 5 or 6 lashes there. She was clearly not suitable to train anyone, but everyone on her course passed!


I demanded my money back and rebooked with a different company.

Zoe.
Good for you my darling! What sort of research did you do before doing the course? Did you not do any or were you misled. I don't want you to name the company just to tell of your experience to help others avoid being in the position you found yourself in. :wink2:
 

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You know it has never occurred to me to ask for certificates or proof of being a trainer. You just trust people don't you?
I will be sure to ask in the future and hope everyone who reads this will do the same.
Great thread.
 

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I have my courses accreditted through The Guild and I have to provide certificates in any course that I wish to teach, also proof of teaching certificate, etc.

I also am putting my courses through Professional Beauty and again, they have asked for copies of all relevant certicates and teaching certificate.

I can't speak for other accreditation companies.

Oh and 20+ years for my teaching and 17 for holistic therapies.

This sounds really proper and how it should be. You work your own company with real clients and training centre. You have vast experience within the industry and running your business.

I am not saying that everyone has to be in the industry as long as this but a decent amount of experience is surely needed to be able to train anyone to a decent standard.:wink2:
 

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I also think that a potential trainer should be assessed for ability in their field of expertise before being accepted for accreditation and wonder if you agree?:wink2:
Who's gonna assess me? You? Come on then if you think you're 'ard enough! lol :Kissing: Oh Gawd! Can you imagine if they thought I was a crap waxer and failed me. Oh the shame!

I think that the starting ground should be the they should have a minimum years of experience as a trainer or they should have developed their own technique (as I have done).

Don't quote me on this but I also remember something about only one person from a company needing their teacher training qualification and that this would allow the others to become trainers under the one qualification. That might not be the case now though, so I'd be interested to hear from anyone that knows.
 

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Great thread! There's a fairly new local salon which is owned by a man with 'a great head for business' (his words on their website) and the therapists are both newly qualified.
They have recently started advertising their 'beauty school, fast track courses, be fully qualified in weeks'
They are advertising for tutors for the subjects the therapists can't show people how to do! The courses are apparently accredited, not sure how they've managed it...
 

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Who's gonna assess me? You? Come on then if you think you're 'ard enough! lol :Kissing: Oh Gawd! Can you imagine if they thought I was a crap waxer and failed me. Oh the shame!

I think that the starting ground should be the they should have a minimum years of experience as a trainer or they should have developed their own technique (as I have done).

Don't quote me on this but I also remember something about only one person from a company needing their teacher training qualification and that this would allow the others to become trainers under the one qualification. That might not be the case now though, so I'd be interested to hear from anyone that knows.
I agree but the way it stands at the moment they don't have to prove anything at all. It would be obvious to anyone if you couldn't do a set of lashes for instance!

Don't know about the all trainers working under one qualification I thought everyone had to have a least a Pttlls qualification, maybe I am mistaken though, it wouldn't be the first time LOL!
 

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I agree with this topic!

A few months ago on I went on a semi permanent eyelash extension course and the trainer was not suitably experienced at all and I had to demand my money back. Not going to name names or insult them but . . .

The trainer admitted she does not even do full sets of SP lashes, only put one or two in to show other therapists, and if she had to do a full set, she would struggle and take her hours!! I was fuming. She was supposed to be an expert

Also when she was isolating lashes, there was clearly about 5 or 6 lashes there. She was clearly not suitable to train anyone, but everyone on her course passed!

I demanded my money back and rebooked with a different company.

Zoe.
Quite right not to name names but could you tell us the name of the company that their courses were accredited by?
 

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You know it has never occurred to me to ask for certificates or proof of being a trainer. You just trust people don't you?
I will be sure to ask in the future and hope everyone who reads this will do the same.
Great thread.
I have every certificate I have ever done (even cycling proficiency and my Brownie badge certificates).

all my therapy qualifications, teaching, assessors and CRB are in 2 folders which if anyone asked to see can be produced.
 

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I have every certificate I have ever done (even cycling proficiency and my Brownie badge certificates).

all my therapy qualifications, teaching, assessors and CRB are in 2 folders which if anyone asked to see can be produced.
So how long would you generally do a new treatment for on your own clients before you'd start offering the courses to other therapists?

Incidentally Kim, how long were you waxing for before you became a trainer for it?
 

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Great thread!!

I guess another view point is, just for example

you could have hairdresser a) and hairdresser b)

Hairdresser a) has been qualified 10 years and has been doing hair extensions for 5 years but specialises in hair extensions and on average does say 10 customers of hair extensions a week.

Hairdresser b) has been qualified 20 years and has been doing hair extensions for 15 years but only does 10 hair extensions on average a month

who would be a better trainer in hair extensions?? On paper hairdresser b) has more years experience but hairdresser a) has in my opinion much more experience!

(p.s Im not a hair dresser or hair expansionist and just using this treatment as an example who you get my point!!)
 

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I did a spray tan course and although the tutor seemed to know what she was talking about, when I stumbled across salon geek, I was disappointed by this and feel a bit embarrassed now to say where I trained. I would always look into credentials in future.
 
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i always find out what credentials trainers have since having a run in with a really rubbish one years ago ..
now i am the student from hell and ask to see all sorts , lol but .. if they havent got anything to hide why would they be worried ..
i have every certificate going bk to 1992 in frames
too much of this whole do a course in jan .. do pttls in feb and start teachjing in march , lol
 

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I would actually be embarrassed to ask a trainer for their credentials which, now that I think of it, is ridiculous as I am paying a lot of my hard earned money to train.

Can I ask the trainers on here, would you be offended if your trainees asked to see your credentials?

My clients NEVER ask to see my certificates or insurance although I often think they should.

So why would I feel uncomfortable asking a trainer?
 

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I would actually be embarrassed to ask a trainer for their credentials which, now that I think of it, is ridiculous as I am paying a lot of my hard earned money to train.

Can I ask the trainers on here, would you be offended if your trainees asked to see your credentials?

My clients NEVER ask to see my certificates or insurance although I often think they should.

So why would I feel uncomfortable asking a trainer?
I'd probably be too embarrassed too lol
But there are soooo many setting up to train nowadays that haven't got the experience or know how that I think it would be prudent to do so.
 

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