Uniform; Really getting to me now

[lillamy]

Education is their training, it's very important, the most important thing, in my opinion. Education is why these people think normal clothes happens to be choice rather than a rather than a standard, I could go on but I will just get it for other geeks, night.

but you do not always get the best training in the private schools either and you DO get all types of accents, nationalities, backgrounds, ages and attitudes I know cos I went to one of the biggest (and apparently best... not in my opinion unfortunately) and all I can say is that I wont be going back (nothing to do with the paying fellow students though, more so with the school) AND to add to this I work in one of the big spa chains and most of my colleagues have an NVQ from their local college.. and they are completely professional, tidy and perform treatments to the highest of standards

 

[sarahpoppy24]

I did NVQ back in 2004 and it had a whole unit on stuff like what jewelry was appropriate what make up was right even down to washing daily and wearing the right deodorant! Also has stuff on things like not eating offensive foods like garlic etc! So if people are choosing not to follow this then it's not the colleges fault is it? We are taught all this in college and the people who couldn't be bothered to follow the rules/didn't bother doing course work always dropped out so never left with a qualification any way! So glad of colleges they get your foot in the door with the right qualifications and are available to everyone.

 

[Rinn]

Bluesky shellac! :-O oh no, this would actually devastate me to the point of me considering giving her notice to leave.
I'm so glad my therapist is using all CND, the reason behind that could be because I supplied it all though! .. We only opened 4 months ago and for her the beauty side of things has been slow on picking up. We figured Shellac is what she needed as it was what everyone was asking for but she couldn't afford the initial outlay for it all and it was horrible seeing her struggling, so I bought it all to start her off and now shellac is what brings in her main income! X

i don't think this girl realises how lucky she is.
you've actually bought her a full kit, and supplied her with a uniform .
you have been more than generous.
i think you should sit her down and have a chat with her about the dress code in a friendly but firm way . i know she is self employed but the clients who come to you don't know this , they will just assume you employ her. so she is representing your business.
so i think if she was prepared to accept the shellac kit then she should be very receptive to your issues about her outfits.
take the bull by the horns... sit her down and spell it out to her. :biggrin:

 

[eternalscot]

Im not against council colleges as I mentioned previously the old HND/BTEC was great which were from your local colleges. I have three NVQ 3 one in Beauty, one in Business Administration and one in Floristry. If you look at entry forms to university you will find:

NVQ level 2 is the equalivent to a GSCE
NVQ level 3/HNC is the equalivent to an A level

ITEC, HND and CIDESCO are dipolma level

All these posts I worked so hard for a NVQ blah blah, I don't doubt they did but I have three and found them all easy (too easy). but thats fine because by their very nature they were not designed to be academic more vocational. However, there are some positives and some negatives that come from the NVQ system on balance I prefer the old system.

This is NOT about the council/private colleges, prior to 1996 council colleges had a different system where by therapists usually had 2 A levels before going to college and then done an HND over 2 years. Beauty Therapy was not so seen as an occupation for unacademic types with few options in life. Colleges were picky and standards were higher. On the plus side NVQ gave opportunities to people who would have struggled previously to enter the profession, rightly so, although they should of been a happy medium.

Now there is no point getting into an argument based on weather I attended a private school. This is about the qualification in theses local council colleges where they are desperate for passed marks and bums on seats for financial gain and I qualified teacher I can assure you this goes on.

 

[TailoredTips]

being self employed myself the lady who owns the salon im in isnt overly fussed but the simple way get a friend in who she doesnt know and get them to comment to you who is she and when you say who she is get them to say o didnt realise as she wasnt in uniform then you have a opening to say to her about it i know its sneaky but ive had people comment that i was in a different colour to the rest and when we explain it was so i wasnt seen as a hair dresser by mistake they were all impressed that i was in a full uniform
it is a very sneaky way of doing it but it puts you into power over it

 

[BABSann]

Im not against council colleges as I mentioned previously the old HND/BTEC was great which were from your local colleges. I have three NVQ 3 one in Beauty, one in Business Administration and one in Floristry. If you look at entry forms to university you will find:

NVQ level 2 is the equalivent to a GSCE
NVQ level 3/HNC is the equalivent to an A level

ITEC, HND and CIDESCO are dipolma level

All these posts I worked so hard for a NVQ blah blah, I don't doubt they did but I have three and found them all easy (too easy). but thats fine because by their very nature they were not designed to be academic more vocational. However, there are some positives and some negatives that come from the NVQ system on balance I prefer the old system.

This is NOT about the council/private colleges, prior to 1996 council colleges had a different system where by therapists usually had 2 A levels before going to college and then done an HND over 2 years. Beauty Therapy was not so seen as an occupation for unacademic types with few options in life. Colleges were picky and standards were higher. On the plus side NVQ gave opportunities to people who would have struggled previously to enter the profession, rightly so, although they should of been a happy medium.

Now there is no point getting into an argument based on weather I attended a private school. This is about the qualification in theses local council colleges where they are desperate for passed marks and bums on seats for financial gain and I qualified teacher I can assure you this goes on.

The thread was about how a therapist dressed not about qualifications in local colleges. I did an advanced diploma level 3 in college, ive also done nvq's and short courses, i always wear a uniform and so do my colleagues. However I have a friend who has only done short courses and also looks immaculate with her make up and uniform. I think it's down to the person not the training as to what they wear or what they think they can wear. It's all about how they want to be perceived.

I've copied and posted some info about NVQ's as your information is incorrect according to what I found on the net.

NVQs are not formally defined in terms of equivalence to conventional academic qualifications. However for the compilation of social statistics and other purposes, approximate equivalences have to be established. The following equivalences are used by the London School of Economics's Research Lab[1]
NVQ 1 = foundation GNVQ, three to four GCSEs at grades D-E, Business & Technology Education Council (BTEC) first certificate.
NVQ 2 = five GCSEs at grades A*-C, BTEC first diploma.
NVQ 3 = two or more A levels, BTEC Ordinary National Diploma (OND), City & Guilds Advanced Craft.
NVQ 4 = BTEC Higher National Certificate (HNC) or Higher National Diploma (HND), or City & Guilds Full Technological Certificate / Diploma
NVQ 5 =NQF 7-8
[edit]According to the Qualifications and Curriculum Development Agency
The Qualifications and Curriculum Authority and Office of the Qualifications and Examinations Regulator have a list of academic equivalents that varies from LSE's:
NVQ level 4 - equivalent of Certificates of Higher Education.
NVQ level 4* - equivalent of Diplomas of Higher Education, or sometimes bachelor's degrees.
NVQ level 5* - equivalent of master's degrees or doctorates.[2]
[edit]According to the University for the Creative Arts

 

[Tomme]

I completely agree, but it opens up debate which I believe is a good thing. Gets a bit boring everyone just saying, oh how wonderful hun, wear shell suit to work as long as it's white! The debate should be while these rules are in place in the first place health and hygiene and people flouting it just show their ignorance. Your work wear should be that only worn at work and not public transport etc getting contaminated etc, this is why nurses are not suppose to strut around in their uniform, through the streets. In my job I do a lot of invasive pocedures e.g permanent make up, dermal roller, electroylsis and it's not great to be wearing everyday clothes (in my opinion), neither is wearing lots of gold jewelery or hoops which could catch, it appears these things were not drummed into them when training.

I'm reading this and seeing because I don't drive I'm lower on the life chain than you, and because of this I must change my clothes before getting on a bus?
Please find some nice good quality fashionable tunics for me, as the male range is diabolical. Most look like a t-shirt you can get from primark.
Because of this, while training I was told to wear a black shirt or t-shirt to better blend in with the female uniform.
I have not changed this view at all, I can get a good fit in shirts more easily, are quicker to replace if damaged and in turn cost less than buying tunics every time I accidentally get bleach on them.

I'm guessing your viewing from the beauty industry which granted is more clinical, hairdressing is a fashion industry which is why you will see many stylists out of uniform with a guideline on what to wear as well as some who prefer to be in uniform. Myself prefers the latter.

And under no circumstances would I wear a track suit of any colour in any situation, but if that is someone's choice of dress then so be it xoxo

 

[eternalscot]

The thread was about how a therapist dressed not about qualifications in local colleges. I did an advanced diploma level 3 in college, ive also done nvq's and short courses, i always wear a uniform and so do my colleagues. However I have a friend who has only done short courses and also looks immaculate with her make up and uniform. I think it's down to the person not the training as to what they wear or what they think they can wear. It's all about how they want to be perceived.

I've copied and posted some info about NVQ's as your information is incorrect according to what I found on the net.

NVQs are not formally defined in terms of equivalence to conventional academic qualifications. However for the compilation of social statistics and other purposes, approximate equivalences have to be established. The following equivalences are used by the London School of Economics's Research Lab[1]
NVQ 1 = foundation GNVQ, three to four GCSEs at grades D-E, Business & Technology Education Council (BTEC) first certificate.
NVQ 2 = five GCSEs at grades A*-C, BTEC first diploma.
NVQ 3 = two or more A levels, BTEC Ordinary National Diploma (OND), City & Guilds Advanced Craft.
NVQ 4 = BTEC Higher National Certificate (HNC) or Higher National Diploma (HND), or City & Guilds Full Technological Certificate / Diploma
NVQ 5 =NQF 7-8
[edit]According to the Qualifications and Curriculum Development Agency
The Qualifications and Curriculum Authority and Office of the Qualifications and Examinations Regulator have a list of academic equivalents that varies from LSE's:
NVQ level 4 - equivalent of Certificates of Higher Education.
NVQ level 4* - equivalent of Diplomas of Higher Education, or sometimes bachelor's degrees.
NVQ level 5* - equivalent of master's degrees or doctorates.[2]
[edit]According to the University for the Creative Arts

I have read this and this and I was correct NVQ 2 is GSCE level NVQ3 A level (not A grades), this is confirming what I stated. HND is much higher as I stated e.g NVQ4 this is also on the same level as ITEC and CIDESCO e.g NVQ is dipolma level. This is what I already knew and stated and what the further education colleges and universities go on.

I stand by what I said about the colleges, by stating that alot of people training would of stood no chances getting into the colleges 20 years ago. Yes this has given opportunities to lot of women (and men) who would probably not of gone into further education to do beauty then as I they would either of had to had paid £ or have two a level before attending. What I have noticed over the past decades is the price of beauty treatments which are perform at colleges e.g, nail, tanning, wax, tint, shape have gone down alot. However, there is still a good living more specialised treatments, which are maintaining their price well e.g permanent make up, caci, peels and so on.

As for the chap mentioning his trip on public transport and wearing a shirt, as I mentioned I do not mind wearing normal clothes they just have to be for work, the only thing I would state is technically you should wear a coat over it when on the bus or tube for hygiene reasons. Back in the old days when I trained you had your white dress and court shoes and you had to wear a long coat outside, but I suppose my training was perhaps more setting me up to be a lady as alot of these private beauty schools where previously finishing schools, they were terribly twee!