UV Gel Nails fall off

[Bootyful]

Hi all. I did a LCN course for UV gels. I did my 2nd set last night on a woman who has short nail beds and slightly bitten nails. She asked for short square tips. It was all shaped fine and nails were finished, then she asked for oval at the end of treatment. I started to shape after they were done, maybe i shouldnt? Today, she got 2 nails caught in a drawer, but instead of opening drawer, she ripped them out. Then another one she stubbed on the same drawer and that fell off too.

I am not sure what went wrong? I do acrylics too and prep in the same way and none of my acrylics have ever fallen off? Is it because I shaped again after they were finished? Did I cure for too long? (was taught 3 mins each time)

Any idea appreciated as I want to redo them.

Thanks

 

[ValencianNails]

she got 2 nails caught in a drawer, but instead of opening drawer, she ripped them out. Then another one she stubbed on the same drawer and that fell off too.

The problem is that your client abused her nails and wrecked them on the drawer.
They're not indestructible, they've taken a battering and they've broken (as opposed to falling off).
:hug:

 

[Bootyful]

She said she's not used to having nails and she has only ever had them done twice in her life. I was just worried I had done something wrong. I thought UV gels were meant to be a little stronger than that you see.

 

[geeg]

She wasn't used to nails, she bashed them .. they broke! Doesn't mean they were weak. I hope you are not even considering redoing them for free. Please say you are not going down that road..

 

[Bootyful]

No, I just wanted to make sure that I hadn't done anything wrong as in my class, not much time was spent on UV gels. The tutor said I was great, but when they fell off I was a bit upset as I was unsure if I had slipped up somewhere, thats why I asked on here.


So its ok to reshape when uv gels are done then? It wont affect them or make them more prone to breaking then?

 

[Lady_Nightshade]

If they sit on their glasses and bend them out of shape would it be the client to blame or the company who proved the glasses?

If they catch a nail in a drawer, rip it out and it breaks would it be their 'fault' or the person who fitted them?
Imo.. no brainer.

Dont worry.

:hug:

 

[ValencianNails]

So its ok to reshape when uv gels are done then? It wont affect them or make them more prone to breaking then?

Yes you can, however the apex placement on a square nail is slightly different to that of an oval nail so it's always better to shape the tips prior to the gel application.

I don't think that your apex placement would have caused her nails to break in this instance, providing you built your apex enough.

 

[Bootyful]

I shaped them prior to putting the UV gel on, but she changed her mind after it was finished.

Also, I have read online you cure for 2 mins, but I was taught 3 mins? Which is right??

 

[ValencianNails]

I shaped them prior to putting the UV gel on, but she changed her mind after it was finished.

Also, I have read online you cure for 2 mins, but I was taught 3 mins? Which is right??

Cure them for the amount of time you were taught to.

Was it an LCN site that recommended the 2 minute cure?

Just had a thought, are you using the lamp recommended by LCN to cure their gels?

 

[Prionace]

Overcuring is usually fine, the only real problem is undercuring. If your bulbs are new (or less than 6 months old) and if you are using the corrent lamp that shouldn't be the problem.
Nail bitters are usually problematic as they are not used to having long nails and the pick them... Even if they don't bite them off constant picking weakens the nails and the slightest bumb can break them.
Encourage your client to take better care of them and to be more aware of her hand moves.
But do charge unless by inspecting the others you fell your works has not been up to standart.

 

[Bootyful]

Hi, it wasn't an LCN site that mentioned 2 minutes. I just read it online as I was trying to find out about my nails breaking lol. My tutor said 3 minutes "is the norm". I didn't get an LCN lamp, my kit was very limited. I purchased a £40 UV Lamp the school recommended from a beauty suppliers.

It's strange she said UV gels are meant to be easier, now i think acrylics are easier, as they haven't fallen off...yet, touchwood.

Atm, I am doing case studies for my practical work and if I'm stuck I look online, only to find everyone's doing it differently to the way I was taught. I have seen videos where they dip the finger in acrylic powder, and another where they apply the glue on the nail and not the tip? I was taught to apply in the well.

I just got a bit stuck and when I saw online videos, some threw me off a bit as they are different to the way I was taught.

Funny how many different ways there are to do things I guess.

 

[ValencianNails]

Hi, it wasn't an LCN site that mentioned 2 minutes. I just read it online as I was trying to find out about my nails breaking lol. My tutor said 3 minutes "is the norm". I didn't get an LCN lamp, my kit was very limited. I purchased a £40 UV Lamp the school recommended from a beauty suppliers.
Is it a proper LCN course? (ie run by LCN as a company).
£40 for a lamp recommended by a brand such as LCN seems mega cheap to me and more than likely not the lamp the LCN themselves recommend for curing their gel products.
Contact them direct to ask.

It's strange she said UV gels are meant to be easier, now i think acrylics are easier, as they haven't fallen off...yet, touchwood.
Neither is easier than the other, L+P just seems easier to you because you mastered it first. I feel the same way about fibreglass (and many hate it).

I have a feeling that you're being taught with LCN products but not by LCN themselves?!

 

[Bagpuss]

but when they fell off I was a bit upset as I was unsure if I had slipped up somewhere, thats why I asked on here.

They didnt fall off though....SHE broke and pulled them off.

Clients often sit in front of you and say "it fell off"... what they mean is they bashed it, banged it, caught it, broke it. What we must never do is say "it fell off"...this gives them ammunition to blame us every time THEY break a nail....I always correct them and say..."its a shame you broke that nail but no big deal, thats what i am here for"...then add that repair to their bill.

 

[Bootyful]

I didn't train with LCN directly, it was at a training school that had good reviews when I typed in their details. It said they train with Acrygel, but when I went there, they used LCN. They had LCN UV lamps there, but they were never used. They used white ones in training and I don't remember any brand written on them.

We did LCN for the acrylic part of the course, but it's strange because I found their product difficult, but I bought a small tub of salon services acrylic powder, just to see, and immediately, the nails are alot better.

I'm having another go at her nails tonight, as she has removed the rest herself (just hope she hasn't ripped into the natural nails?)

 

[Vetty]

We did LCN for the acrylic part of the course, but it's strange because I found their product difficult, but I bought a small tub of salon services acrylic powder, just to see, and immediately, the nails are alot better.

I may have mis-understood but you must never use the liquid part of one brand with the powder part of another, brands and systems are designed to be used together and you as the Technician have no idea what the implications are of mixing products together.

LCN are a reputable brand, it sounds as if your training is lacking rather than the product at this stage. I think you need to go back to your educator and tell them the problems you are having or cut your losses and invest in training that comes with an international reputation, for example CND.

Hth's

 

[Bootyful]

No I didn't mix brands, used their liquid too. My tutors are hard to get a hold of. The company had lots of good reviews online. I've read about cnd but they shut their academy nearest to me and moved it almost 80 miles away. Plus it was too expensive. I considered nsi as that was 1hr away but it's all evenings or days I can't do due to me looking after kids. I was hoping to do it around kids and work for myself when qualified in evenings@ when they r both in nursery etc.

The company I used advertised as using products they don't use. There's not alot of academies nearby. there was magnetic one just up the road frome but they stopped doing it. I've now found out about calgel doing it over 2 days in Glasgow but the price is an issue for me right now so asked on another thread about funding.

 

[NoLimitNails]

Oh hun think you made a bad choice there. By not investing the money in a reputable(sp?) company, you are now having problems. Unfortunately, because price is an issue for most people, often nailtechs end up paying a lot more for conversion classes and end up paying twice as much in the end.
I know It doesn't help you right now. But apart form great advise here, seems like you would benifit from the tutorials on here (if you haven't read them) and then consider saving for a class with someone who can support you all the way!
Theres lot's of great companies, as Ezflow, Young Nails and loads of others, now I cannot comment of the support from them as I don't live in the Uk, but I can comment about S2(CND) they have a great service, and are very friendy and helpfull (I was so supprised they would go out of the way for me, as I have a great CND-distributor in DK, but needed something from S2, think it almost cost them more to help me, than what they earned on my order!) The product is also the best I have ever tried.
So start saving hun, sorry I cannot be of anymore help to you:hug:

I've read about cnd but they shut their academy nearest to me and moved it almost 80 miles away. Plus it was too expensive.

The company I used advertised as using products they don't use. There's not alot of academies nearby. there was magnetic one just up the road frome but they stopped doing it. I've now found out about calgel doing it over 2 days in Glasgow but the price is an issue for me right now so asked on another thread about funding.