UV lamp ... confusion!!

[zemma]

does anyone know a good make of a uv gel lamps and where to get them, ive got one from rio and its usless and what wattage is best to get??

xx:cry:

 

[Nail Envi]

You would need to use the manufacturers lamp for the gel you use for best results. HTH.

 

[Vetty]

does anyone know a good make of a uv gel lamps and where to get them, ive got one from rio and its usless and what wattage is best to get??

xx:cry:

Rio is not a professional product line and their lamp will not cure a professional gel product. As has already been said you need to get the lamp manufactured for your product line, there is no such thing as a universal lamp that is guaranteed to cure all gel systems.

 

[NSINAILS]

does anyone know a good make of a uv gel lamps and where to get them, ive got one from rio and its usless and what wattage is best to get??

xx:cry:

Any brand name manufacturer's lamp should be good. Of course, I can recommend NSI You should definitely invest in a 36-Watt lamp (four 9 Watt bulbs) if you plan to do gels on a regular basis. That way you will be sure that bright whites and opaque colors will cure completely. These gels may not cure in just a 9 watt lamp.

 

[xAnnaBannAx]

Any brand name manufacturer's lamp should be good. Of course, I can recommend NSI You should definitely invest in a 36-Watt lamp (four 9 Watt bulbs) if you plan to do gels on a regular basis. That way you will be sure that bright whites and opaque colors will cure completely. These gels may not cure in just a 9 watt lamp.

No this is incorrect information.

As has already been said you MUST use the correct gel lamp that is recommended to be used with the specific gel, if you dont then you are putting yourself/clients at risk of overexposure and service breakdown.

please read http://www.salongeek.com/general-articles/35947-choosing-uv-lamp-your-gel-system.html

 

[NSINAILS]

No this is incorrect information.

As has already been said you MUST use the correct gel lamp that is recommended to be used with the specific gel, if you dont then you are putting yourself/clients at risk of overexposure and service breakdown.

please read http://www.salongeek.com/general-articles/35947-choosing-uv-lamp-your-gel-system.html

Sorry, I respectfully disagree. Manufacturer's lamps have different features, but as long as the lamp uses high-efficency bulbs, it doesn't matter if those bulbs are put in a CND lamp or an NSI lamp. If someone switches gel systems, it doesn't necessarily mean that they need to buy a new lamp.

 

[ValencianNails]

Sorry, I respectfully disagree. Manufacturer's lamps have different features, but as long as the lamp uses high-efficency bulbs, it doesn't matter if those bulbs are put in a CND lamp or an NSI lamp. If someone switches gel systems, it doesn't necessarily mean that they need to buy a new lamp.

I'm going to respectfully disagree with you also :wink2:

Each UV lamp that has been designed to go with a specific gel brand (usually high end brands) has bulb placement to ensure an optimum cure using specific bulbs. Therefore, using the right lamp with the right bulbs and the corresponding gel will ensure you don't have under/over curing.

Why there's so much dillying and dallying where this is concerned totally baffles me. Doug Schoon has written about it, not only in his book but also on this site. The info is there, from a highly respected person within our industry yet people still choose to ignore it!

 

[zemma]

Thanks for the replys bit confused still!! i use edge products just i was given the lamp but i think i will purchase an edge uv lamp then to be on the safe side.

cheers zem xx

 

[NSINAILS]

I'm going to respectfully disagree with you also :wink2:

Each UV lamp that has been designed to go with a specific gel brand (usually high end brands) has bulb placement to ensure an optimum cure using specific bulbs. Therefore, using the right lamp with the right bulbs and the corresponding gel will ensure you don't have under/over curing.

Why there's so much dillying and dallying where this is concerned totally baffles me. Doug Schoon has written about it, not only in his book but also on this site. The info is there, from a highly respected person within our industry yet people still choose to ignore it!

Yes, I do agree that in the best circumstances a lamp that goes with your gel system would be best. That being said, realistically, it can't always happen and that doesn't mean a tech is being negligent or that the gels won't cure. What if someone uses more than one gel system? Perhaps Brisa for pink & whites and Christrio for color gels, and OPI for soak-off lacquer. Are they really have three different lamps on hand?

While I certainly wouldn't argue with Doug Schoon, at times, I think a tech needs to use her best judgement. Perhaps test the curing of a gel system with another lamp before using a client. But a lamp for each gel system isn't always realistic. That's all I'm saying.

 

[Violet Star]

I would also recommend using the lamp with the same gel product you use. They are different and using a different branded lamp will make a diffierence.

I say go with The Edge lamp x

 

[ValencianNails]

Thanks for the replys bit confused still!! i use edge products just i was given the lamp but i think i will purchase an edge uv lamp then to be on the safe side.

cheers zem xx

These previous threads should help explain it a bit more :hug:

http://www.salongeek.com/nail-geek/82919-brisa-gel-lamp-can-cure-other-brands.html

http://www.salongeek.com/nail-geek/32919-uv-lamp-difference-products.html

http://www.salongeek.com/nail-geek/82536-uv-lamps.html

 

[ValencianNails]

Yes, I do agree that in the best circumstances a lamp that goes with your gel system would be best. That being said, realistically, it can't always happen and that doesn't mean a tech is being negligent or that the gels won't cure. What if someone uses more than one gel system? Perhaps Brisa for pink & whites and Christrio for color gels, and OPI for soak-off lacquer. Are they really have three different lamps on hand?

While I certainly wouldn't argue with Doug Schoon, at times, I think a tech needs to use her best judgement. Perhaps test the curing of a gel system with another lamp before using a client. But a lamp for each gel system isn't always realistic. That's all I'm saying.

That's exactly what it means, it would be negligent of the tech in question to not have the right UV lamp for the specific brand of gel they're using.

If they're using more than one brand of gel then they need to have the lamp recommended for each one, if they don't then they could find out that their insurance isn't valid.

As Doug said in one of the threads I posted before, gel appears to be cured at 50-55%, it looks cured, it acts cured, but it isn't fully cured... Realistic or not, I know for a fact that I, along with a lot of other responsible techs, don't want to risk the health of my clients or the reputation of my business by not having one of the most important items in my gel range, the correct lamp.

I know that these threads come up from time to time, and there are always posts that disagree with one another, but facts are facts, you can't change that.

 

[NSINAILS]

That's exactly what it means, it would be negligent of the tech in question to not have the right UV lamp for the specific brand of gel they're using.

If they're using more than one brand of gel then they need to have the lamp recommended for each one, if they don't then they could find out that their insurance isn't valid.

As Doug said in one of the threads I posted before, gel appears to be cured at 50-55%, it looks cured, it acts cured, but it isn't fully cured... Realistic or not, I know for a fact that I, along with a lot of other responsible techs, don't want to risk the health of my clients or the reputation of my business by not having one of the most important items in my gel range, the correct lamp.

I know that these threads come up from time to time, and there are always posts that disagree with one another, but facts are facts, you can't change that.

I applaud your conviction and your dedication to your clients. However, I still can't call a tech negligent for say, using NSI gels in a CND lamp. A tech would know if the gel wasn't curing because there would be service breakdown. We'll just have to agree to disagree

That being said, I do think I should have asked the orginial poster what product they were using. Certainly if you are starting from scratch, buying the lamp that goes with the product you are using makes sense.

I definitely think making an investment in a full hand lamp is a wise choice though. A lamp with one bulb doesn't always have enough energy to cure highly-pigmented gels - that was the main point I was trying to make and I got off on a little tangent.

 

[xAnnaBannAx]

Yes, I do agree that in the best circumstances a lamp that goes with your gel system would be best. That being said, realistically, it can't always happen and that doesn't mean a tech is being negligent or that the gels won't cure. What if someone uses more than one gel system? Perhaps Brisa for pink & whites and Christrio for color gels, and OPI for soak-off lacquer. Are they really have three different lamps on hand?

While I certainly wouldn't argue with Doug Schoon, at times, I think a tech needs to use her best judgement. Perhaps test the curing of a gel system with another lamp before using a client. But a lamp for each gel system isn't always realistic. That's all I'm saying.

So you have said it yourself....I think when a tech clearly does not fully understand a specific area i.e gel in this case then it would definately be in everybodies interest, particularly the poster of this thread and all the other techs looking for this information...to give them the best and correct advise and regardless of what brand you yourself are selling.

 

[NSINAILS]

So you have said it yourself....I think when a tech clearly does not fully understand a specific area i.e gel in this case then it would definately be in everybodies interest, particularly the poster of this thread and all the other techs looking for this information...to give them the best and correct advise and regardless of what brand you yourself are selling.

Yes, in this case, I should have asked for further information before making a recommendation. Although, I still stand behind what I said.

I would never purposely mislead someone just for a sale. Another $170 in NSI's pocket isn't worth that. I do genuinely want to help techs and learn more about what is going on in the industry. This is why I come on Salon Geek everyday.

 

[adelekeegan1]

I just can't understand why people don't use the correct lamp for their system.

I know that lamps are not cheap, but if you are prepared to invest in the product, you really should invest in the appropriate lamp.

If you have a client return with any problem, how will you ever know what is causing it - if you are an inexperienced tech you can at least discount curing problems if you have the correct lamp and return to your educator if problems persist. If you are experienced how can you really know if the product is fully cured ???

I have read Doug Schoon's book and grasp the facts and it seems a false economy to me to risk losing clients for the price of a few sets.

 

[zemma]

Hi Guys
Hope i havent caused too much friction with this one lol!!!

thanks for everyones input i will say that i will now buy a lamp that goes with my specific products (edge) to be on the safe side and try to find one that is a full hand lamp.

cheers everyone
zem xx:hug: