Gels Vs Acrylic

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Rachel Mary

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Hi Guys
I want everyones honest opinion on what they prefer Acrylic or Gels and why. Where I trained they would not teach Gels as they believe (in their words!) they are rubbish and are not durable. I have read so many posts and it seems that a lot are Gel inclined. Do you think it is worth offering both services or specialising in one.
xxxx:Love: :Love: :Love: :Love:
 
Rachel Mary said:
Hi Guys
I want everyones honest opinion on what they prefer Acrylic or Gels and why. Where I trained they would not teach Gels as they believe (in their words!) they are rubbish and are not durable. I have read so many posts and it seems that a lot are Gel inclined. Do you think it is worth offering both services or specialising in one.
xxxx:Love: :Love: :Love: :Love:

i have just passed my masters im brisa gel, and all i can say pet it that gel IS as good as l & p, gels are more flexable than l & p but this doesnt stop them deing as strong - as far as being burable - they are - if applied in the correct way, dont let peeps that dont know what they talking about tell you any different, many of us techs have our favs (me included) - gel is as good and as strong as l &p but they both have diff qualities

thats my opinion chuck
 
Rachel Mary said:
Hi Guys
I want everyones honest opinion on what they prefer Acrylic or Gels and why. Where I trained they would not teach Gels as they believe (in their words!) they are rubbish and are not durable. I have read so many posts and it seems that a lot are Gel inclined. Do you think it is worth offering both services or specialising in one.
xxxx:Love: :Love: :Love: :Love:
Gel is a self levelling product, meaning the amount you apply should cover the entire nail plate. In observation & experience, the gel "flows" over the nail with little sculpting, and will not cure until exposed to the light system.

The benefits? perfect for clients with strong healthy picture perfect nails, allowing flexability, like a thick coat of polish & minimal prep, no filing, and ready to wear! Easy application with practice!

Pitfills? NOT RECOMMENDED FOR HARD WORKING HANDS! or NAIL BITERS! You can not cosmetically correct nail growth patterns, it follows the curve of the nail plate. you can not perfect the application by shaping, or thinning at the cuticle and nail tip. STICKY goo all over you if you arent specialized in the service. Gels tend to accomodate natural nail clients, versus one accustomed to enhancements.

Sculptured~ cosmetic correcting is possible by balancing nail plate imperfections. You can create perfect smile lines, moons, and give the appearance of an ellongated nail bed. NOT POSSIBLE WITH MOST GEL PRODUCTS. Acrylics in general are the most durable application, a tangiable perfect over all appearance. As well as durablity is gauged by the liquid to powder ratio in the 3 zones of application creating molecular balance, and stregnth. Anyone can wear them when applied and maintained properly!
 
Damn I wrote a huge answer and then pressed the back button before submitting my reply.

Okay this is an answer coming from a gel user who uses a high end product and I'm afriad Gotnail? that your answers are based on products and knowledge that are way out of date. Sorry don;t mean to offend but I get tired of hearing that gel can't do this that and the other and l&p is best ... no doubt the same as l&p users get tired of hearing that gels are far better for your nails than l&p which apparently some people are still scaremongering people with, saying L&p is so terribly damaging.

So Rachel Mary in answer to your question, firstly may I say that your trainers need to get out of the Dark Ages and come into the 21st Century. Gels have developed so much recently, even in the 4 years that I have been using them. I now use Creative's Brisa which is their rentention+ in a gel form and trust me it is strong.
So the truth about gel is...
1. totally odourless
2. No guess work with mix ratios, it's all done for you
3. You can build a natural looking nail with a perfect apex and completely flush at the cuticle end - take a look in my gallery and you will see this is true (although mine aren't perfect!)
4. Great for nail biters - I specialise in them and most of my clients are biters in varying degrees of cannabalism!
5. They are strong if applied correctly and you use an up to date, high end brand
6. There are gels available in colours to disguise flaws on the nail plate and give the appearance of an elongated nail, and if your brand doesn't make them then you can mix your own - Ruth (nailsinlondon1) has a great recipe for this
7. The strength issue comes from people applying it like polish. This is not how it is done, you build an apex just as you would with your l&p. A lot of places teach the brush on method which is so out of date and should only be used for natural nail overlays.
8. It doesn't cure until you place it under an uv light, so you have time to play with it, or remove and start again which is great in the early days as you don;t have the Himalayan mountains to file down as often happens with newbies!
9. It's more flexible and so more comfortable on the nail (that is just a personal opinion though)
10. They are less prone to lifting and so clients can go longer between infils, most of mine are 3-4 weeks and could go to 6 weeks if they wanted to.
11. It is harder to get a crisp smile line with gels, but not impossible
12. Clients can experience a heat spike as the gel starts to cure (do a search on heat spike and you'll find out more)
13. You can sculpt with gel no problems I often do it.
14. I have never lost a client because I only do gel.

Come on those of you who STILL think gel, wraps and l&p are so different. If you use the latest products and techniques then you will know they are not. If your clients are that heavy handed should they be having long nails anyway? And if so then it is up to you as their technician to re educate them on how to use their hands.

So please can we stop this "gel is so weak" stuff cos frankly I get tired of it? Sorry hun you hit a raw nerve!! (Or the other one I hear is don;t have wraps because they shatter - well that's down to poor technique not the product.)
 
Sassy Hassy -

You are absolutely correct! I had the greatest opportunity, when gel hit the professional market originally in 1985. If you could have seen that! It was worse than kayro syrup! The impression the product made was unsuccessful in the industry and was reintroduced in the early 1990s.

Most products are regional, and trends are set by the specialists... I agree there have been some improvements over the years. However, as long as it has been available in comparasion to acrylics it fails to meet the Manufacturers longtime staple that continues to be the number one product disributed by its suppliers.

The variations in the color palatte, and the brands available will never take over in sales or as accessible as the product that revolutionized our industry, and gave you the inspiration to become a Nail Care Specialist.

I always recommend in specializing in an enhancement; create a name for yourself! I chose to specialize in acrylics, and if you take a moment I didn't bash the product, I state clearly from observation, and limited use of the product! Congrats for mastering a technique few mastered, I refer my clients to area specialists to use while travelling in different areas.

You know, flying off the handle leaves an impression... I hope you don't speak to your guests out of context. It can be potentially detramental to your longterm income. Once you are out of control, you can never gain control. Best wishes to you! Your nails look great! Cheers to your passion, for without it perfection would never be ascertained!
 
Hi Gotnail? and welcome to the site. You sound a smart lady and it is always an asset for this site to have nail technicians who are well educated, experienced and talented joining and contributing.

The Nailgeek site was started to bring quality education and the FACTS to nail technicians both new and old. To dispel myths and misinformation and hearsay. The FACTS come from indisputable sources and industry heads such as Doug Schoon (our chemical adviser) and many educators from different companies.

We also of course welcome opinion on the site re most issues from nails to cookery. What is misleading for many is misinformation or information based on "observation and limited use of product" for that is as useless as no information at all.

Gels have a very checkered history in the USA because it is not in the USA that gels for nail enhancements were pioneered. In fact Europe (Germany in particular) is where gels were first manufactured for use in the nail industry. Because of this fact, they have been widely used as a primary system for thousands of nail technicians for many years. In many European countries gels have been more widely used that any other system (completely opposite to the USA) . It is only very recently that these European gels have come to the US and that the US has embraced their use, as well as now having several manufacturers that are US based.

The early US gels got off to a very bad start many years ago in the USA with many suffering from allergic reactions etc and they got a very bad rep with technicians (not to mention scaring the US manufacturers to death with law suits). The idea of gel enhancements was abandoned for quite a few years, until a few years ago. US techs have until very recently been very resistant to their use.

There are so many different variations of gels that one simply cannot generalize about them or their use or their strength longevity etc. They vary widely. For instance they are not all self leveling for a start. They do not all have an uncomfortable heat spike. Some soak off and some do not. Some are really strong and some are not. Some are beautiful and some are not. Some have a sticky inhibition layer and some do not. Some are hypoallergenic and most are not. "progression is key" (Gotnail?)

So you see why your "observation and limited use of product" does not really help the poster of this thread with her query. It only serves to confuse in this instance.

Helping with quality info is the number one thing we do here on the nail geek and I'm sure you will be a great contributor to the site. I warn everyone though, these geeks are so smart and so well informed, that they will 'jump' on any info that is not 'spot on correct' :biggrin: This is what makes the site so great.
 
Thank you for elaborating my thoughts! I have been working all nite on a line of product I will be launching in the Spring of 2006. I love reading everyones' insight! and to be honest... I love to motivate those that believe inthemselves enough to express their beliefs! The U.S. has such limited Specialists as passionate about what they do, it's a dying art. Very refreshing to say the least!

However my Professional Thesaurus is limited and ready to hit the hay! Then it will be a new day soon for me! Have a great one! OBTW: Idea: give a gift certificate to your long term guests as a holiday "I appreciate you" any dollar amount and it will be appreicated, plus it eliminates forgetting gifts, or and expense that we can do with out!
 
Hi
I hope nobody took it that I was putting down Gels, I was simply asking for all opinions, so I could make an educated decision on which area I would go with my own business!!! Sorry if you took my educators words for my own!! They were not.
 
gotnail? said:
Thank you for elaborating my thoughts! I have been working all nite on a line of product I will be launching in the Spring of 2006. I love reading everyones' insight! and to be honest... I love to motivate those that believe inthemselves enough to express their beliefs! The U.S. has such limited Specialists as passionate about what they do, it's a dying art. Very refreshing to say the least!

However my Professional Thesaurus is limited and ready to hit the hay! Then it will be a new day soon for me! Have a great one! OBTW: Idea: give a gift certificate to your long term guests as a holiday "I appreciate you" any dollar amount and it will be appreicated, plus it eliminates forgetting gifts, or and expense that we can do with out!

Thank you for the 'tip' of the day, and enjoy a good sleep!! sounds like you need it. Good luck also with the new product ... we all get excited about things like that... passion is the middle name of most of the geeks. :)
 
Going back to your original question Rachel Mary...
I think it's definitely worth offering more than one service.
My intensions are to be a 'full-service' technician eventually, if you can offer all 3 nail systems then you appeal to a greater audience.
:hug: xx
 
I love gel.
I only use gel now because of my asthma it is so much easier...
The plus side for me is definately that the dust and smell doesnt set me wheezing!
 
Thats an aspect I never looked at for health and the no odour. Are they all odourless and what are the better brands of Gels that are around that you recommend. I see that Brisa by Creative seem to be the most popular. What about IBD are they good?
 
Rachel Mary said:
Thats an aspect I never looked at for health and the no odour. Are they all odourless and what are the better brands of Gels that are around that you recommend. I see that Brisa by Creative seem to be the most popular. What about IBD are they good?

I love the new cutting edge technology behind Brisa Gels. Brisa is not a generic line. It is hypoallergenic, not as sticky to work with (and therefore less likely to become overexposed to the product for the technician). There is virtually no heat spike... they are very strong and long lasting not to mention beautiful and easy to work with. I have never tried a gel before (and I have used many over the years) that is as nice. It is also the latest advance in gel technology and I like to be at the forefront with these things!
 
Rachel Mary said:
Thats an aspect I never looked at for health and the no odour. Are they all odourless and what are the better brands of Gels that are around that you recommend. I see that Brisa by Creative seem to be the most popular. What about IBD are they good?

I use IBD builder strong its great in pink but the clear seems to collect air bubbles...
Very strong, cooler curing (no burn), and really nice consistency.
I never tried Brisa but heard loads of good stuff about it too I might have to give it a whirl! (
Am I ever going to make any money? all I seem to do is spend it again!:o )
 
I use bio - and am very happy with it. Although it is very expensive !! How does Brisa compare ??
 
sassy sarah said:
I use bio - and am very happy with it. Although it is very expensive £15 for 4 ml !! How does Brisa compare ??

I had some overlays done with Bio when I went on a cruise in the summer they were very nice looking.
The tech was a bit ott with the filing of my natural nail though 3 of them broke the next day!
I cant believe they use such expensive and great products then ruin in by not having decent training.
 
I have heard of Brisa and Ibd but never heard of the Bio Gels, does any Aussie out there know if they are available here. Have heard of a few products on here that havent heard of before such as Akzents (think thats how it was spelt) I am getting very interested from what you are saying about the gels and might give them a try once i have mastered the L&P. Probably not a great idea to juggle both till I am accomplished at one!!!
 
Rachel Mary said:
I have heard of Brisa and Ibd but never heard of the Bio Gels, does any Aussie out there know if they are available here. Have heard of a few products on here that haven't heard of before such as Akzents (think thats how it was spelt) I am getting very interested from what you are saying about the gels and might give them a try once i have mastered the L&P. Probably not a great idea to juggle both till I am accomplished at one!!!

Bio gels come from South Africa and are WAY out there for price. I also dislike the use of the word BIO as it is misleading in terms of what it is ... what does it mean anyway?? In their marketing they try to mislead the public with facts like their product is safer to use (not true) that it is organic (so are all nail products) and that your nails can still 'breathe' (untrue as we all know). I think products should be sold on their merits not misleading info that lulls the general public into false beliefs.
 
When the lady on the cruise did my nails she told me to only get Bio done so they could breathe I had to turn away as I was dying to laugh!
I didnt tell her I was a tech I like to see what they will come out with!
 
I may be wrong but i thought it was Calgel that did the whole.."nails breath" and "this causes no damage to nails" sales thing...i didnt think it was Bio Sculpture. xx
 

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