NVQ Beauty Therapy level 2 not covering everything?

[xnailsbylisax]

Is it an NVQ or could it be a VRQ ...
... with a vrq the units can be different ?

I work at a school academy and We have done vrq with previous students when they were pre16 - as they were not allowed to do waxing or tinting units so we did the self tan unit instead ...
I would recommend that you check to find out which you are on. many colleges are now doing vrq.
Nvq's are a 70% pass and vrq you only have to get 60% pass in exam and don't have to answer any wrong answered questions as in Nvq you need to answer these in open questions ie written or can be verbally asked. The other difference is with nvq's you have to pass every practical assessment whereas with vrq you have 4 assessments but only have to pass the last one.
what I would say is vrq's are recognised but it does say that the student may need extra support when qualified whereas a Nvq you are work ready. Vrqs you don't have to do practical assessments on paying clients.

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I'm doing a VRQ & we're doing waxing & we also have to do practicals/assessments on paying clients x

 

[catface]

Just saw that last post there..

For the VRQs I teach, pass mark on independent papers is 70% and oral questioning or other methods are used to bring the mark up to 100% . There are generally three or four practical observations ( depending on the unit) , and it's not just the final one you have to achieve. I teach both VQs and VRQs and there really is little difference in terms of standards and evidence requirements. Back in the day when VQs were introduced, the difference between the two was that VQs were workplace based - they were designed to be done "in-service" and were practically assessed in the workplace. This changed and they can now be delivered in a "realistic work environment" - exactly the same as VRQs.

 

[sanilulu]

Sorry but you are wrong :

I am a qualified assessor and have been for a number of years and assessing students on both qualifications

These are the differences taken From habia & city & guilds website ...

Nvq = work ready
Vrq = sometimes needs extra support once qualified


NVQ vs. VRQ
National Vocational Qualifications vs. Vocational Related Qualifications
VTCT offer NVQ (National Vocational Qualifications) as well as the VQ (Vocational Related Qualification).
Both types of qualifications are fully recognised for insurance and within the industry
NVQ
An NVQ is a work-related, hands-on qualification that focuses on employment skills for you.
They've been developed by the industry for the industry.
It is a collection of units which, when completed, gives you the full compliment of skills required to work in the beauty industry.
The achievement of all units makes you competent or 'work ready' for your new beauty career.

VRQ
A Vocational Qualification is similar to an NVQ in that it is work related and practical and focuses on developing your employment skills.
It will apply to a specific subject within that industry.
This is great as a 'preparation for work' qualification.
The units that make up the NVQ are chosen and developed by industry specialists (HABIA) who identified the main skills that are required to fulfil a specific job role or occupation.
Where other subjects have value within the sector, but do not wholly contribute to the core of what the industry actually needs, e.g. Reflexology, then the VRQ is offered to ensure a certain level of knowledge is attained and meet insurance requirements.
VRQ's are like 'pockets of skill' within a subject area related to an occupation
- See more at: http://www.beauty-training.co.uk/customer-service/qualifications.ashx#sthash.2R8tNzBt.dpuf


http://www.cityandguilds.com/Courses-and-Qualifications/Qualifications-Explained

Hope that explains it a bit more to the lat post
- you do not have to have paying clients with a vrq you can use block heads (hairdressing) and other students to pass assessments as opposed to NVQs. Timings are also less strict on Vrqs in the practical assessments.

You also don't have to get 100% for vrqs ... it is a 60 % pass rate for exams and dont have to answer incorrect questions to get to 100% as with an Nvq .







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[sanilulu]

So to answer the op - if she is on a Nvq waxing is part of her qualification units
If not she may be on a vrq or similar ...
Xxx


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[Jay2999]

Sanilulu sorry to butt in on post but as you seem to know what you are talking about I've a quick question .... Do u have to do epilation on level 3 nvq to get the level 3 I'm on the general route, its just I absolutely hate it and was wondering if I could just drop that part from the course? X

 

[sanilulu]

Sanilulu sorry to butt in on post but as you seem to know what you are talking about I've a quick question .... Do u have to do epilation on level 3 nvq to get the level 3 I'm on the general route, its just I absolutely hate it and was wondering if I could just drop that part from the course? X

Hi ya

Sorry hunni you can't drop it, it is part of the mandatory units - my advice - stick at it as once your qualified it's up to you if you use it or not (especially if you don't enjoy it)
Iv posted below the criteria for NVQ L3 general route from Edexcel so you can see how the units make the whole qualification (it doesn't matter which awarding body it is)

Hope this has helped you hunni... Xxx

What is the qualification structure for the Edexcel Level 3 NVQ Diploma in Beauty Therapy – General (QCF)?
Individual units can be found in the Units section. The QCF level and credit value are given on the first page of each unit.
The Edexcel Level 3 NVQ Diploma in Beauty Therapy – General is a
65 credit qualification which consists of 6 mandatory units (55 credits) plus a minimum of 10 credits from optional units.

Mandatory units
Credit value required: minimum 55, maximum 55.
Y/601/5875 - Monitor Procedures to Safely Control Work Operations
R/600/1277 - Contribute to the Planning and Implementation of Promotional Activities
Y/600/9090 - Provide Body Electrical Treatments J/600/7562 - Provide Facial Electrical Treatments A/600/7462 - Provide Body Massage Treatments D/600/9043 - Provide Electrical Epilation Treatments


Optional units
Credit value required: minimum 10.
D/600/7504 - Provide Indian Head Massage
K/600/7523 - Carry out Massage Using Pre-blended Aromatherapy Oils J/600/7545 - Provide Stone Therapy Treatments
T/600/1272 - Contribute to the Financial Effectiveness of the Business T/600/8755 - Plan and Provide Airbrush Make-up
D/600/9012 - Provide Single Eyelash Extension Treatments K/600/7487 - Provide UV Tanning Services
R/600/7533 - Provide Self-tanning Services
Y/600/8764 - Provide Female Intimate Waxing Services
D/600/8765 - Provide Male Intimate Waxing Services




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[Beki89uk]

Funnily enough someone on my course asked exactly the same question to my tutor this week. As above you can't drop it as it makes the overall qualification
(Level 2). My tutor also said you might find it difficult to find work without the waxing qualification anyway xx

 

[catface]

Sorry but you are wrong :

I am a qualified assessor and have been for a number of years and assessing students on both qualifications

These are the differences taken From habia & city & guilds website ...

Nvq = work ready
Vrq = sometimes needs extra support once qualified


NVQ vs. VRQ
National Vocational Qualifications vs. Vocational Related Qualifications
VTCT offer NVQ (National Vocational Qualifications) as well as the VQ (Vocational Related Qualification).
Both types of qualifications are fully recognised for insurance and within the industry
NVQ
An NVQ is a work-related, hands-on qualification that focuses on employment skills for you.
They've been developed by the industry for the industry.
It is a collection of units which, when completed, gives you the full compliment of skills required to work in the beauty industry.
The achievement of all units makes you competent or 'work ready' for your new beauty career.

VRQ
A Vocational Qualification is similar to an NVQ in that it is work related and practical and focuses on developing your employment skills.
It will apply to a specific subject within that industry.
This is great as a 'preparation for work' qualification.
The units that make up the NVQ are chosen and developed by industry specialists (HABIA) who identified the main skills that are required to fulfil a specific job role or occupation.
Where other subjects have value within the sector, but do not wholly contribute to the core of what the industry actually needs, e.g. Reflexology, then the VRQ is offered to ensure a certain level of knowledge is attained and meet insurance requirements.
VRQ's are like 'pockets of skill' within a subject area related to an occupation
- See more at: Beauty Training | Customer Service | Qualifications


Qualifications Explained - NVQ, SVQ, VRQ | City & Guilds

Hope that explains it a bit more to the lat post
- you do not have to have paying clients with a vrq you can use block heads (hairdressing) and other students to pass assessments as opposed to NVQs. Timings are also less strict on Vrqs in the practical assessments.

You also don't have to get 100% for vrqs ... it is a 60 % pass rate for exams and dont have to answer incorrect questions to get to 100% as with an Nvq .







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Thanks for that Sanilulu. Our external verifiers and/or awarding bodies must be giving different advice - this is a direct lift from a VTCT VRQ RoA book ( VRQ Unit UV30424 )

"Achieving the external paper
The external papers will test your knowledge of the criteria highlighted in white. A pass mark of 70% must be achieved. Criteria not achieved will be identified to your tutor/assessor. You will then be orally questioned or asked to produce other forms of evidence as all unit criteria must be achieved.
"Environment
Evidence for this unit must be gathered in a real or realistic working environment.
2. Simulation
Simulation is not allowed in this unit.
3. Observation outcomes
Competent performance of ‘Observation’ outcomes must be demonstrated to your assessor on at least four occasions.


So VTCT clearly states that VRQ external papers must be made up to 100% . assessment must be under realistic conditions, and no air clients can be used . It also states that all four practical assessments must be passed.

From your own link to the City and Guilds site : "NVQs are our most popular qualifications and are usually completed in the workplace. One of the benefits of a NVQ is that they test your ability to actually do the job, which makes them suitable to take whilst in work. A key part of your course will include proving that you can do certain work-related tasks. During the course you will be assessed through your portfolio, where you build evidence of the work you have done, and by observation, where an assessor watches you work and checks that you can perform the necessary tasks. "

As I said, VQs were originally a workplace -based qualification that can now be delivered in a realistic work setting.

Service timings are specified in the record of assessment book, and are no more flexible than N/SVQs.

Our centre, and centres that I verify work for, have to practically assess VRQ candidates working on clients (real human ones! ) that are not known to the learner . They are not allowed to be summatively assessed working on each other ( though formative assessment can be carried out this way, the same as with N/SVQs)

I don't teach, assess or verify hairdressing , but wanted to make clear that the VRQ requirements for the subjects I teach, assess and verify are not as you've laid out in your post above.

 

[catface]

woops, apologies folks for the HUGE post

 

[Jay2999]

Thanku for the answer xx

 

[Mommabear]

Thanks geeks for all ur answers/advice, im back in on tuesday, so will go and kick some ass with a lot more knowledge will keep u all updated on what gets said xx

 

[kirsty1989]

This is very interesting I am about to apply for a course myself and I am now very concerned about the course and qualification.

The website of the beauty school state this:

QUALIFICATIONS
VTCT Level 2 Diploma in Beauty Specialist Techniques (VRQ)
VRQ qualifications are the international and higher equivalent to NVQ, which cover wider range of subjects and education.


After seeing the comments I want to actually no if my qualification I will be getting after will be as one lady said a 'work ready' or a 'preparation to work'.

I will be paying a lot of money to do this course so really don't want to be getting ripped off.

I am now also very concerned of wether my course will include waxing so I will be contacting them with this query in the morning.

So hoping someone can clear this up for me.

Thanks

Kirsty xx

 

[coco.]

Go on the vtct website and look up that beauty specialists techniques qualification and it will tell you exactly what is included in the course.

 

[kirsty1989]

Thankyou I will check that out I just don't want to be paying a lot of money for it. Are NVQs better than VTCTs xx

 

[smallandcute]

The vtct course doesnt cover the same topics as the nvq course and to me there appears to be a lot more gaps in the training for instsnce you dont do eye lash perming or extensions like you do with the nvq. To me this is a lower qualification then the nvq but sadly the vrq seemz to be replacing the the nvq. Somehow i feel that the beauty qualiciation standards training and education should be going up not down! Personally i would say go for an nvq not the vrq beauty specialist course

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[kirsty1989]

Thankyou for that I am trying to find a school that does the nvq not VRQ I did loads of research and came across the information regarding the VRQ to be kinda classed as a not work ready qualification which is really strange. I was going to be paying £2500 to do a course at the london college of beauty a make up but to see it comes as a VRQ qualification has made me really doubt wether after doing it I will be as employable as someone with a nvq xx

 

[hazeleyes]

Thankyou for that I am trying to find a school that does the nvq not VRQ I did loads of research and came across the information regarding the VRQ to be kinda classed as a not work ready qualification which is really strange. I was going to be paying £2500 to do a course at the london college of beauty a make up but to see it comes as a VRQ qualification has made me really doubt wether after doing it I will be as employable as someone with a nvq xx

Apparently they are phasing out nvqs now and replacing with vrqs to make courses more accessible for everyone- I think you will find lots of colleges offer vrq instead now!

 

[kirsty1989]

I just contacted a local college for information and they are scrapping NVQs they will now be VRQs there will be nothing different in the course only the way you get passed xx

 

[hazeleyes]

I just contacted a local college for information and they are scrapping NVQs they will now be VRQs there will be nothing different in the course only the way you get passed xx

Yeah All colleges are going that way, something to do with it being easier to actually get on the courses when you aren't working in the environment already (Nvqs are designed to be work place based where as vrq have more theory) but it's still exactly the same level and soon ei be just as respected - it's just cos it's new and anything new takes getting used to!

round here they don't offer NVQ beauty only VRQ in any of the colleges and I'm in London so the are loads of colleges around me.

I wouldn't worry a VRQ is just as valid when getting a job and insurance and most of the young ppl coming up will all have VRQ so employers won't discriminate anyway soon I doubt NVQs will exist!