I think that China is probably the supplier of the CND shellac based on what I've researched and you all can check it out as well, you have the information now.. (personal thoughts)
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I think that China is probably the supplier of the CND shellac based on what I've researched and you all can check it out as well, you have the information now.. (personal thoughts)
Klassy Klaws
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China most definitely not supply CND Shellac, CND have there own Labratory which makes all there products they also have test Salons where everything is highly tested before it is put out into the professional market.
They even had to build another Lab to keep up with the huge demand for Shellac and this is all in the US.
For someone who claims to be an expert, where is your evidence that all these nail products are made in China? It's easy to throw dirt - especially if you don't use your real name to post.
You also take a very simplified and ignorant viewpoint. Take Apple - I moved to Apple last year because I was sick and tired of crappy Windows PC's reliability, never ending Windows updates and viruses. I don't use a virus filter on my Mac and have never had a problem in 12 months. The Mac works perfectly every day without blue screens and lasts 7 hours on a battery charge. Networking is a breeze - you don't need to be a certified MS specialist to network multiple Macs, and multiple printers. Backup's are done every night and unlike most of the PC solutions I tried, they work. When I had some questions - I waited less than 2 minutes on the phone for a support engineer - good luck getting that service from a PC supplier. More expensive - yes - but my time and that of my employees is expensive. Apple is simply a more professional solution and I don't care which factory makes them because I trust the manufacture.
The same applies to nail products. You take the simple view that buying a product is just buying an item. That's not true unless you are a total idiot. When you buy a product you give your trust to that manufacturer, that the product works as advertised, is safe and that support is there when you need. Nail manufacturers also develop their own educational programmes - which takes considerable time and money to develop and manage continuously.
While there are companies that buy products, slap a label on and sell cheap - I've yet to find one that sells products of any quality. Most of those companies don't employ anyone who can actually make a good set of nails or has any kind of advanced knowledge.
It's a common failure of people without business experience to focus on material cost, instead of focusing on potential profit. If you use cheap material, you will only ever sell your product or service at cheap prices. Use high quality materials and deliver a unique and high quality product (nails) combined with excellent service - then you can build a great reputation and charge accordingly. Strange how many of these people who obsess on material cost actually aspire to own a Mercedes or have the money to visit a top hair salon!
Today it seems that there being so many experts giving their free advice - it's amazing that none of them actually made a business or were actually successful beyond their own imagination. Maybe their free advice is worthless.
No wonder you don't use your real name.
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No, it is made by little aliens in Area 51.
Seriously... Shellac is forumlated (each colour individually) and made in the USA and it is packaged at Colomers (owners of CND and American Crew) packaging plant in Mexico. You don't even have to get this info off the internet, you can get it on the bottle where US companies are required by law to list country of origin.
I also know of the company that makes most of the other brands out there. It is not in China. Anyone else trying to tell you otherwise is either seriously misinformed or is from China, trying to sell you a knock off.
If it says made in USA, it wasn't made in China. You could buy components from somewhere else and manufacture in the US, or package in the US, but then it wouldn't be MADE in the US.
CND have a shed load of patents as well as patents pending in the US and throughout the world. That one was filed in 2004 and may relate (or may not relate) to Shellac (I believe that there are multiple patents pending on Shellac).
CCO could have a patent in China, I don't know. I just SERIOUSLY doubt it. After all, this is a company that sells its products by passing off as other products. Is that patentable? Would you believe it if they printed "Made of virgin dove tears" on their bottles too? What if they printed "Chanel" on them?
There are companies that produce components or compound elements for other companies based on proprietary formulas. There are also companies that formulate, manufacture and then rebottle for multiple brands. CND is not one.
I know because I have been to Area 51.
....And breathe!
Morning Mr Geek! :green:
I will now be thinking of all the little aliens being whipped if they don't produce enough Shellac by the end of the day.
Save the aliens!
On a serious note, surely it's time to close this one now?
Morning Mr Geek! :green:
I will now be thinking of all the little aliens being whipped if they don't produce enough Shellac by the end of the day.
Save the aliens!
On a serious note, surely it's time to close this one now?
Spot on BD, all of the above and also and very importantly, terrorism.Plus looking pretty stupid in all that fakery. May as well wear a sign saying 'cannot afford the real deal!'
Lisa_Street
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Hi guys,
It is a fair debate about the other brands that provide shellac polish. CND were the first people to market the shellac hybrid nail polish, but they don't own the term 'shellac'. In fact, their trademark application for the word 'shellac' in Australia was recently rejected because you can't own a descriptive word as a trademark. And 'shellac' has been around for years (most of the oldies would know shellac as being a non-toxic polish for wood!).
But anyways, without going off on too much of a tangent - the question here is what are the CCO polishes like?
For me as an example, I have both CCO and CND polishes at home (was curious to try a cheaper alternative to CND for personal use), and honestly I have found no difference. I think the key is obviously being professional trained in application process and of course your lamp needs to be top-notch!
Selling CCO in a salon and claiming it to be CND is not right, it is what it is - a cheaper alternative. But I think for personal use and a good quality cost effective alternative, I'm very happy with my CCO polishes.
To test it out, I initially tried using just the colour polishes with my CND top and base coats and found that to be fine, and then bought the CCO top and base to test that out and I'm really happy with it. Can't actually see a difference in wearability to be honest.
Bluesky on the other hand I was not happy with. Found the consistency and wear-ability not so great.
Anyways, just my thoughts!
It is a fair debate about the other brands that provide shellac polish. CND were the first people to market the shellac hybrid nail polish, but they don't own the term 'shellac'. In fact, their trademark application for the word 'shellac' in Australia was recently rejected because you can't own a descriptive word as a trademark. And 'shellac' has been around for years (most of the oldies would know shellac as being a non-toxic polish for wood!).
But anyways, without going off on too much of a tangent - the question here is what are the CCO polishes like?
For me as an example, I have both CCO and CND polishes at home (was curious to try a cheaper alternative to CND for personal use), and honestly I have found no difference. I think the key is obviously being professional trained in application process and of course your lamp needs to be top-notch!
Selling CCO in a salon and claiming it to be CND is not right, it is what it is - a cheaper alternative. But I think for personal use and a good quality cost effective alternative, I'm very happy with my CCO polishes.
To test it out, I initially tried using just the colour polishes with my CND top and base coats and found that to be fine, and then bought the CCO top and base to test that out and I'm really happy with it. Can't actually see a difference in wearability to be honest.
Bluesky on the other hand I was not happy with. Found the consistency and wear-ability not so great.
Anyways, just my thoughts!
geeg
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And your credentials for making your statements re quality wearability etc would be what exactly? Why should anyone give your comments any credence at all? This is your first post here. Your profile says nothing about you or your experience! Whether you own a salon, how many clients you do etc.
Fact is, Most gels get the same wear as Shellac (nothing new there) ... Fact is, what you say is that ,,,,,'in your opinion' CCO is like other GELS.
Fact is, Shellac is not a gel. Fact is, Shellac is hypoallergenic new technology (CCO is not). There are allot of differences from prep to finishing and removal, all of which I have mentioned many times before.
You are comparing oranges to tomatoes, which doesn't work and means pretty much nothing.
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Evaperk
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The CND dog bowl dappen dish I got from S2 had a huge 'made in china' sticker on the bottom ;-)
Just proving that Not all things out of china are bad........
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geeg
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This has just gone to the top of my list for being the silliest post I have ever read on salon geek ... Congratulations.
The post you quote fron izzidoll is absolutely correct re CND enhancement products.
Dappen dishes and uv lamps and brushes and other accessories are not enhancement products ... They are accessories and of course CND out-source the manufacture of those things. We do not have a glass blowing or metal turning or brush making or pump making plants for accessories. Some accessories are made to CND specifications in China ... Some are not.
Evaperk
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Sorry Geeg, I'd read up to the point in the thread where it seemed to be turning into a 'everything made in china is fake and supports human trafficking etc' when I posted this and I don't think it's a silly point if you take it in the context that it was meant (not everything manufactured in china is bad), which is the downfall of internet forums as tongues cannot be seen in cheeksThis has just gone to the top of my list for being the silliest post I have ever read on salon geek ... Congratulations.
The post you quote fron izzidoll is absolutely correct re CND enhancement products.
Dappen dishes and uv lamps and brushes and other accessories are not enhancement products ... They are accessories and of course CND out-source the manufacture of those things. We do not have a glass blowing or metal turning or brush making or pump making plants for accessories. Some accessories are made to CND specifications in China ... Some are not.
The whole debate is moot as it is horses for courses, professionals use professional products, designed by professionals for professionals, messers (people wanting to save or make a quick buck) use products designed for messers by people wanting to make a quick buck.
The only thing I would like to know is how to put off a 16 year old using these products as my son's girlfriend has been bought a set of blue sky and a lamp that just scares me by her aunt (even though I used to do her nails for free grrrr).
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geeg
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Sorry Geeg I'd read up to the point in the thread where it seemed to be turning into a 'everything made in china is fake and supports human trafficking etc' when I posted this and I don't think it's a silly point if you take it in the context that it was meant, which is the downfall of internet forums as tongues cannot be seen in cheeks
The whole debate is horses for courses, professionals use professional products, designed by professionals for professionals, messers (people wanting to save or make a quick buck) use products designed for messers by people wanting to make a quick buck.
The only thing I would like to know is how to put off a 16 year old using these products as my son's girlfriend has been bought a set of blue sky and a lamp that just scares nme by her aunt (even though I used to do her nails for free grrrr).
I don't think that is what was said at all. The point was about 'copies' ... Fake knock off products ... (where nails are concerned) Chemical compounds that are going to be used on people's bodies. We don't know what is in them, we don't know who has made them we only know the motive behind it and it is not good is it? The motive is greed and a quick buck, and hang the consequences ... ! If every person using this stuff gets an allergic reaction, let it be on their own head; if they spend their money on rubbish and it falls apart or chips and peels, that is their problem. It definitely does scare me as to where the money goes. But we were talking about knock offs, not accessories made in China for legitimate businesses! Or 'everything made in China'. Sorry if I didn't get the joke ... To me it is a serious problem.
Evaperk
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I wish they would all get an immediate allergic reaction because at least then the serious dangers of using these products would be more obvious.
Really? Hypoallergenic new technology? why do they claim that it's odorless then? lmao. And why do CND people always bully everybody who forms an opinion that another brand works just as well for them as the other, or whatever. That's just seems strange. This is a forum, right? people talk about their experiences with different products and whatever. OMG. CND fans (or um... employees lol) are sounding like the 'bullies' of the nail industry.
NancySyd
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While I agree with you that some CND advocates are overzealous and and a bit bullyish here, you are not behaving any better. Although I don't always like their demeanor, I can't argue with their knowledge; It doesn't appear that you are bringing anything of knowledge, education or training to the table yourself. It is a forum, but even in a forum you need to back up your opinion with some facts in order to have any credibility. Where are your facts? Yeah, CND Shellac is hypoallergenic and if you review the contents of this board and many others you will see that statement is not just the result of understanding the science, but of reviewing people's experiences.
I note that you went on the Bluesky thread and threw a bomb in the water there as well. What do you intend to achieve in stirring the pot like this? I love a heated controversy, and I'm willing to go toe-to-toe, but what's your point? It really doesn't appear that you're doing anything to advance anyone's understanding. You're not being "brave," you're just being provocative without any particular purpose. When you figure out what you want to achieve, ring us back.
oh, I see, that's what this is about isn't it? This isn't really supposed to be a forum where people share information about their experiences, this is actually supposed to be a promotional portal for the distributor of certain specific products and if anyone makes any alternative suggestions, this means that the person becomes the victim of cyber-bullying by the distributor. No plain 'salon' owner or beautician would ever get so defensive as the people on this forum. That's just not normal behaviour. Therefore, it's pretty obvious that the zealots are actually either from the company CND themselves or heavily entertained with them financially to the point of bullying on the internet! this is hilarious! and you think I'm stirring something up? Actually, the other thread posted a link and sent me over here. (and I was on this thread much earlier as well talking about trademarks and patents because my father is a IP attorney, etc. It's not like that wasn't useful information you know.) Good golly. lol
geeg
Judge Gigi-Honorary Geek
Gellybaby ... Think what you want, use what you want and have a happy life!
thank you ;-):Love:
thank goodness somebody finally told me that this site is actually owned by a distributor of those products because I was beginning to wonder how it is possible that only certain products get 'sums cum laude' praise on this forum. As if one person's opinion and experience is 'right' over other's opinions, etc. give us a break!
I think Nancy has said it all.
If people are only here to post inaccurate information in support of a cheap imitation product then they should be at least be open to the accurate information also given.
This does not seem to be the case here.
I hopewhen people read this thread they read it in it's entirety and see how innaccurate some of the information is, and absorb all the good information given.
Time to close.
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