Sweet Squared and Tibby Oliver allowing non professionals on the courses!

[sarah-lou76]

One of my clients whom I know has no professional training what so ever has gone on the Tibby Oliver courses, and has set up her own business! I thought sweet squared were for professionals only but apparently any Tom, Dick & Harry can walk in off the street, do a 2 day course and then set up there own business! Surely this should not be allowed?

 

[MissOwen]

Tom, Dick and Harry cant become professionals unless someone lets them walk in off the street and do a training course?

Your clients has now completed the necessary training to offer this service, she's as entitled to do the course as much as anyone else. I know its a worry that it may effect your business but at least she is qualified to provide the treatment correctly :hug:

 

[Nails<3]

One of my clients whom I know has no professional training what so ever has gone on the Tibby Oliver courses, and has set up her own business! I thought sweet squared were for professionals only but apparently any Tom, Dick & Harry can walk in off the street, do a 2 day course and then set up there own business! Surely this should not be allowed?

If she has done the correct course that allows her to buy TO products then s2 have done nothing wrong.

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[Belle Vie]

Not all professionals hold NVQs. I don't and I'm no less professional for it. If they're investing in quality products and the associated training then good on them!

 

[paigemcdonagh]

I don't hold an NVQ either. Everyone has to start somewhere..

 

[TPB]

Agreed, I have diplomas which are accredited by the guild of beauty therapist! Nothing wrong with it, I feel my treatments are worth the training I was given, I've manage to build up a client base also with good recommendations.

 

[Dannigirl83]

I don't have NVQs either but doesn't mean im less professional for it. Im a single mum with another job and a mortgage to pay aswel as bills etc and there is no way I could give up my job to go to college in order to follow my dream of being a professional in the beauty industry. I did short intensive courses in every area I offer and even after I qualified I am constantly researching ways in order to improve on my techniques and services I offer. If they are training to offer products from the likes of TO then surely that's a good thing rather than offering rubbish products? Please just remember not everyone who goes on short courses are looking for a quick fix job, some of us have a real passion for the industry but just cannot at our stage in life (I was 29 before plucking up the courage to go after my dream in the industry) pack everything away and go to college.

 

[sarah-lou76]

I don't think that's right! I trained at collage for 3 years and then went into a salon as a junior and built my skills up! I don't think it's right that after a 2 day training course you are then "a professional"

 

[Lisawoolley]

I completly agree, I also went on a 3 year course straight from school an then on to train as a junior. I have been doin beauty an nails for 13 years altogether an still learnin as new things come out. The client should not be aloud to just think I no ill set up a business doin some treatments after no previous training in any of the beauty industry at all. I personally think it's shocking no wonder businesses are goin out of business because of these people, SHOCKING.

 

[rachelt73]

Sorry, but I feel that this is a somewhat patronizing post by the OP

At the end of the day the beauty industry remains unregulated, and any "Tom, Dick or Harry" can set up shop with fake products from Fleabay and trade as a business.

The fact that some of us have not come into the beauty industry by way of a 3 year college course, but through differing circumstances have attended shorter courses that enable us to trade with legitimate insurance does not make us any less professional. If that were the case then such courses would not be accredited by professional bodies.

My own personal situation (as I'm sure with many others on here) is that I've retrained later in life having spent the best part of 30 years in a PA role, including responsibility for Accounting, Marketing, Health & Safety & Human Resources.

Being able to give up work for 3 years to attend college and chase my dream wasn't a financially viable option for me, however instead of just setting up in my back room with cheap products, I chose to invest in training with a respected manufacturer that would allow me to offer my services both professionally and with the full backing and ongoing support of an industry body. Does that make me a non-professional?

A little bit of respect and understanding works both ways, there's room for all of us here - at the end of the day we all have our clients' best interests at heart

 

[Kim Lawless]

With respect, if someone wants to specialise in facials, then why should they waste 2 or 3 years at college studying nails, waxing etc if they have no intention of doing them.

 

[hollydollymac]

Well I am nvq qualified in beauty and I don't rate it. I did it as a part time course for a year, 2 evenings a week as I am a full time social worker and I could have learnt what they taught me in 2 weeks. How they can offer level 2 as a full time college course I do not know.... If I had realised at 16 how easy my life would have been for 3 years while I did 2&3 I would have shot at it instead of paying 2k for the pleasure 7 Years later. Sorry girls but an nvq dosent always mean your capable either. I wouldn't let half the women on my course touch me with a boots cotton pad let alone a wax strip!

The reason you go to a salon as a junior afterwards is because the industry loves a cheap tea maker/cleaner in exchange for experience because college dosent properly equip you for the workplace and before you go wild at me- same applies for degrees, for social work to law to medicine... The nature of the education beast means no one is equipped for the working world these days.

If you are so sure that this client and people doing 1 day courses and buying from s2 will be naff then what are you worried about?

 

[MissOwen]

Businesses don't go out of business because of these people. Businesses go out of business because of poor decisions or not doing a good enough job to keep their customers! But its much easier to blame someone else for their lack of success.

For those who have had a 3 yr courses at college and gone on to build their own business, your experience and skills should be excellent enough for you to excel in your business and not worry about anybody elses. Especially the Tom's, Dick's and Harry's who have only done mere 2 days courses with professional companies who have won awards for training

 

[Kim Lawless]

One of my clients whom I know has no professional training what so ever has gone on the Tibby Oliver courses, and has set up her own business! I thought sweet squared were for professionals only but apparently any Tom, Dick & Harry can walk in off the street, do a 2 day course and then set up there own business! Surely this should not be allowed?

But attending the course would make them a professional.

 

[busybee32]

But attending the course would make them a professional.

Exactly a professional in that brand specific treatment.

 

[sarah-lou76]

I'm sorry but as far as I'm concerned a 2 day training course is one step up from watching a tutorial on YouTube! You don't have the background knowledge of anatomy and physiology, you can't possibly be aware of all the contraindications of the treatments and for them reasons it's affects everyone in the industry!
2 days for a conversion course yes, but to be able to do a 2 day training course then call yourself a professional beautician just makes a mockery of our industry!

 

[mum]

So are you saying that the only way to be a 'professional' in the beauty industry is by doing a 3 year course? Learning services that you have no intention of using?

Good teaching is all about the quality of the teacher. Did you know before you started that you would be getting a good teacher? There are short intensive courses that condense the 3 yr college course into 6 months teaching all the L2 +3 services and some of them have an excellent reputation.

S2 has an excellent reputation for education. Are you aware of what their course entails? It doesn't stop at 2 days and most definitely includes all the requirements for the specific treatment.

There are many ways to train. You followed 1 route and spent a lot of time learning a lot of treatments. This is another route that specialises in just 1.

I don't believe you are in a position to be so negative or shocked about something that you clearly do not have all the information about.

 

[Susandoeshair]

Sorry to sound stupid, but I've always wondered what NVQ stands for? I'm in the US

 

[Dnx]

One of my clients whom I know has no professional training what so ever has gone on the Tibby Oliver courses, and has set up her own business!

Good for your client! She will no doubt receive excellent training.

I thought sweet squared were for professionals only

Why did you think that? They offer a number of courses to the complete novice right here and these are just the CND ones: http://www.sweetsquared.com/Education/Foundation

but apparently any Tom, Dick & Harry can walk in off the street, do a 2 day course and then set up there own business

Absolutely! Yes they can, simply book and pay for the course with reputable educators Sweet Squared, complete the coursework that is provided beforehand, pass the closed book test on day 1, then pass the complete course proving you are proficient and competent to perform the service safely and professionally; do all of this and I guess a certificate is issued

Surely this should not be allowed?

What should not be allowed - free enterprise, self improvement, education? Why not? Should not be allowed by whom?

Sarah-Lou, it might be worth congratulating your client and having a chat on a professional level, as if she's planning on not charging her worth, it may be beneficial for both of you discussing the wider benefits of charging appropriately for her services, so as not to devalue the market - supply and demand. Win/win. Isn't that what professionals do?



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[Dnx]

Sorry to sound stupid, but I've always wondered what NVQ stands for? I'm in the US

National Vocational Qualification

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NVQ


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