Sweet Squared and Tibby Oliver allowing non professionals on the courses!

[cazjp69]

Ive always had a niggle at the long courses firstly u could be learning something u don't want to do and from working in a high school i know if ur not interested in what is being taught u dont take much notice which means u could end up with a qualification saying yes u can perform the treatment but uve not taken much notice so dont really know how to do it correctly also u might find that your tutor is specialised in a different treatment which means they are teaching you something they arent 100% but because the course states it they have to teach it. Take semi perm eyelashes lately ive had quiet a few students retrain with myself as they have felt the training at college has just not been good enough. There are pros and cons for both ways of training and u cant knock someone for the way they have chosen

 

[Tashytootoo]

I also started later in life. I wish I'd known when I was younger that this is what I wanted to do as I would have loved to do the 3 years training, unfortunately that is not possible now when I have so many financial and personal commitments. So I've had to do intense courses but believe me you have to know your stuff for them to pass you!!

I did a years make up course at college first of all, then intensive courses in spray tanning, nails (CND), HD brows, lash extensions (lash perfect) and recently I have just done the 2 day SV training. I can hand on heart say I learnt a hell of a lot more on each intensive course than I did at a whole year of make up college. It's a completely different way of learning and it's what suits me (and a lot of others) best.

OP, do you do SV? If not perhaps look at this a different way...I presume you do her nails as you've posted in the nail forum, so when she's wrapping everyone up and they admire her nails where are they going to come? To you Perhaps if you don't so SV you could return the favour and help your client who has been brave enough to start up alone? Just a thought

 

[sarah-lou76]

I'm not saying you have to do a 3 year course but I don't think that 2 days is long enough! You couldn't just do a 2 day cutting course then call yourself a hairdresser! (By the way this I didn't mean to post this on a nail forum, its because I did it on my phone, I meant to but it on the biz forum)

 

[Belle Vie]

Having been on various one day/one week courses I can say it absolutely depends on the quality of the education as Mum says above. S2 provide great intensive courses that teach you the products inside out and there is lots of ongoing support after the day. It's great that you had the opportunity to spend 3 years of your life in eduction but a lot of us don't have that and yet we still have professionalism, knowledge, business sense and talent for our trade in fact lots of us go on to have very successful businesses. Don't be scared of the competition, if it worries you, you just need to up your game.

 

[Penny71]

Interesting thread, I did Aromatherapy and Reflexology to start and did those as full academic year courses. I then went on to do lots of short 1 and 2 days courses. I do feel that initially you need a longer course to cover health and safety, contraindications, client consultations, A & P but after that I don't feel the longer courses are necessary as a lot of the content is just repeated information. Also people who come to this industry with previous work experience and/or more life experience have a LOT of transferable skills.

 

[lucyh]

I'm doing one day course to try and learn the best I can to be the best I can. I can't afford to go back to college. Before you judge you should know more. I studied biomedical science at university which included human dissection as a way to teach anatomy and physiology. I feel my knowledge of that area is good and I helped teach that on my one day mani and pedi course. I think the courses are good as a foundation but as long as your willing to put the effort into researching and keeping up to date which I would have thought any professional would do x

 

[skingeek78]

Interesting thread, I did Aromatherapy and Reflexology to start and did those as full academic year courses. I then went on to do lots of short 1 and 2 days courses. I do feel that initially you need a longer course to cover health and safety, contraindications, client consultations, A & P but after that I don't feel the longer courses are necessary as a lot of the content is just repeated information. Also people who come to this industry with previous work experience and/or more life experience have a LOT of transferable skills.

I agree, I believe a solid foundation is the best route. Then choose your areas, it doesn't have to take 3 years but the background knowledge will help you in your chosen field. Any shorter courses or refreshers depend heavily on the quality of the education. x

 

[izzidoll]

I'm not saying you have to do a 3 year course but I don't think that 2 days is long enough! You couldn't just do a 2 day cutting course then call yourself a hairdresser! (By the way this I didn't mean to post this on a nail forum, its because I did it on my phone, I meant to but it on the biz forum)

I have moved this to the Biz Forum.

This client obviously must have matched the criteria required for this course. You don't say if it is body wrap or the Faith Lift training, but either way it is one treatment therefore she won't be calling herself a Beauty Therapist so your analogy doesn't really apply here.
She will be carrying out one brand specific treatment, therefore I don't see it impacting on your business at all, or even on her custom at your place of business.
Or am I missing something?

 

[Lynne Baker]

I can see this from both perspectives.
Firstly, as a beauty therapist with a 5 year track record of happily treating clients I was utterly dismayed to find that one of my clients has set up as a spray tanner earning "pocket money". She uses a well known brand, but any money she makes is for her treats; it is not an essential component of her household income. She's not insured, and all she does is tan friends and family, some of whom were my clients. It matters not a jot to her if she's busy or not, and she charges much less than I do.
Another client has recently trained in Shellac, and much the same is happening there as above.
Are these people taking business away from me? You betcha. Does it mean I need to "raise my game"? I guess so.

As a distributor we've taken the decision to implement an exclusivity radius for our trade customers. If every other salon is offering our products I can't see how that can help the salons. The brand becomes diluted, consumers have too much choice, and The Law of Supply and Demand comes into force, pushing the price down to a lower equilibrium.

In this instance the protagonists at either end of the supply chain are the only winners here, i.e. the manufacturer and the consumer, not the ones in the middle, e.g. the service providers, because they're the ones who have to lower the prices. The manufacturers will maintain the price.

Unless and until the industry is regulated this trend of one/two day courses will continue.

 

[tonicj]

I can see this from both perspectives also. In my case I trained for longer and while there were some things I enjoyed more than others it gave me the chance to choose which route to go down and I decided to specialise in Skin.

I would say to everyone do what works for you and get on with building your business and don't waste your time worrying about what others are doing. If what other's are doing is affecting your business, then as Lynne has said you may need to "raise your game". It will always be a competitive industry to work in and all you can do is be the best you can be.

 

[Lynne Baker]

That said, I do have sympathy with those who've found their area overrun with competitors offering a very popular treatment.
It has a multifarious adverse effect on their business for the following reason. If you lose the client for that particular treatment you also lose the opportunity to up/cross sell. A headline treatment/product will get people through the door and if the footfall is lost to a competitor how do you regain the impulse purchaser?

 

[laurakate]

We were all Tom, Dick and/or Harry at one point lol!

 

[Steph86]

I'm not saying you have to do a 3 year course but I don't think that 2 days is long enough! You couldn't just do a 2 day cutting course then call yourself a hairdresser! (By the way this I didn't mean to post this on a nail forum, its because I did it on my phone, I meant to but it on the biz forum)

She isnt a professional beautician she has only done one training course so she can offer that service. Xx

 

[Lynne Baker]

Well, I never was!
I was an RGN first, then I studied for 2 years to do the CIBTAC quals.
Many things I was: loudmouth maybe, smartypants definitely, but never a Tom, Dick or Harry.

 

[skingeek78]

Well, I never was!
I was an RGN first, then I studied for 2 years to do the CIBTAC quals.
Many things I was: loudmouth maybe, smartypants definitely, but never a Tom, Dick or Harry.

LOL x

 

[Min]

I disagree with most people on here.
I've read posts where most off these people say they have heard or experience treatments that where less then standard.

No - to be a professional and good at what you do, you have to do more then just two f*****g days.

Two days is not long enough to cover even health and safety.

It's wrong, these people then go around under cutting the professional, perform an awful service and clients start to blame the products/ treatments etc... I've heard so many people blame l&p for the condition of they nails - not knowing the person who did the treatment ruined the nails.

 

[Nails<3]

I disagree with most people on here.
I've read posts where most off these people say they have heard or experience treatments that where less then standard.

No - to be a professional and good at what you do, you have to do more then just two f*****g days.

Two days is not long enough to cover even health and safety.

It's wrong, these people then go around under cutting the professional, perform an awful service and clients start to blame the products/ treatments etc... I've heard so many people blame l&p for the condition of they nails - not knowing the person who did the treatment ruined the nails.

Do you know this person is undercutting others in her area? Is she performing an awful service?

Dont make assumptions if you don't even know this person. Atleast she has done the training for the service she will be offering and not just decided to take up a new hobby untrained and Unqualified.

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[Min]

[QUOTE=Nails
Really - I don't know such people!
Who are you to say that!
I don't think you should make assumptions!!!

yes I know her and a few others for that matter.

I know about this shellac thing - just today my builder told me about his wife's nails after she had the treatment.
The stupid girl didn't even cure her nail and she smudged the paint.

I had to explain the therapist did not do the treatment properly.

She will be mine client when I'm up and running but if I didn't explain, she would have thought shellac was crap.

 

[Nails<3]

Have you actually read the thread to see what we are discussing. We are not talking about anyone you know. We are not discussing nails or shellac!

Im not sure why you are jumping down my throat. I advised you, you shouldn't nake assumptions that the lady we are discussing is going to offering cheap prices and a rubbish service. I asked you do you know the lady from the OP? Do you know her prices. If not then your comment does not make sense!!

Perhaps you should re-read the thread and my comment instead of getting the wrong end of the stick.

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[RachelBeautique]

I can see many people's opinions here of course 2 days compared to 3 years is different, but I never went to a full time beauty course. I completed short courses at NSI and CND and other reputable brands and now at the age of 19 I run my own salon which is very busy and have 4 members of staff. Am I an unprofessional?
I feel the op would be totally in her rights to say this if it had been a cheap course, but its Tibby Oliver! Come on! The courses aren't cheap and to my knowledge they offer fab training!
We all need to start somewhere and it's not always with an NVQ.