Lynne Baker
Lynne The Skin!
One question I do have about short training courses like this is are people sufficiently confident to understand their clients' medical histories, medications and contras?
Sweet Squared and Tibby Oliver allowing non professionals on the courses!
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[QUOTE=Nails
It was you who first tried to jump!
I won't back down on this topic - I have know of a number of people who know next to nothing about the treatments they do.
Another girl did a few hours of a hair extension course (had no hair experience before) bought some hair and went off to her client - complained the hair extension took 3 hours and wanted to increase the cost of the treatment as she spent 'overtime'! And to make thing worst the hair soon fell out!
And yes, she undercut professional hairdressers
These courses are awful and should not be allowed! A few hours and days does not help, you can't covered everything especial when you no pervious experience. These course make fools out of people.
True professionals suffer, clients lose confidence and are left out if pocket.
It was you who first tried to jump!
I won't back down on this topic - I have know of a number of people who know next to nothing about the treatments they do.
Another girl did a few hours of a hair extension course (had no hair experience before) bought some hair and went off to her client - complained the hair extension took 3 hours and wanted to increase the cost of the treatment as she spent 'overtime'! And to make thing worst the hair soon fell out!
And yes, she undercut professional hairdressers
These courses are awful and should not be allowed! A few hours and days does not help, you can't covered everything especial when you no pervious experience. These course make fools out of people.
True professionals suffer, clients lose confidence and are left out if pocket.
Nails<3
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Im not going to argue with you. Like I said read my comment. Don't tar everyone with the same brush.
TO are not cheap courses. Nothing else to say.
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Lynne Baker
Lynne The Skin!
But they ARE short courses...
Dexy
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Don't shoot me just saying , I've done level 3 nvq and short courses and found them both to be a valuable learning curve, at least the lady in question has done some training with a reputable company rather than just buy x y or z products from eBay or amazon and decide hey I can do it I'm qualified like some people do, there is always going to be someone that will be coming into the business and better to have some rather than no training , just keep doing your job well and let her get on with it ?!
Its Awful - to think some people only spend a few hours to gain a qualification & could start a business the same day.
With a qualification that takes 3 plus months to complete the student has plenty to time to ask questions, practice in the lessons and at home. They try different techniques, build a portfolio ect...
With a qualification that takes 3 plus months to complete the student has plenty to time to ask questions, practice in the lessons and at home. They try different techniques, build a portfolio ect...
My personal view is....... An NVQ is a good starting point and gives you a good base of information and skill to work from which you can then do short courses to add to your skill.
But I'm sure there's plenty of good skilled successful therapists out there that have learnt through short courses without an Nvq.
Each to their own in my opinion, we all know what we are capable of and if you feel you can be a good therapist with short courses rather than an Nvq then go for it :thumbup:
But I'm sure there's plenty of good skilled successful therapists out there that have learnt through short courses without an Nvq.
Each to their own in my opinion, we all know what we are capable of and if you feel you can be a good therapist with short courses rather than an Nvq then go for it :thumbup:
skingeek78
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[QUOTE=Nails
They would be briefly trained in a subject/treatment, but not a qualification.
I don't doubt there are excellent courses out there, but why not get the minimum level qualification first? It doesn't have to take years to accomplish, neither be full time, also previous skills and experience might be taken into account? it not a question of doing the time, it about equipping yourself with relevant knowledge and skills to offer the best safe service for your clients. I am sure we would all like to cut corners but really what this argument boils down to is a comparison between knowledge gained on a few days of learning and the knowledge gained to obtain a certain standard with a qualification, things that will have been covered during study include contraindications, medical history, suitability for treatment, anatomy...in depth, you will then go over them again during product training, which is kind of what I view these courses to be really. There are those of us who held jobs within Nursing and Healthcare, Dentistry etc... But yet still undertook anatomy and physiology, did full beauty training to become therapists, because we were changing profession and whilst we can use our previous skills and experience it's kind if arrogant to suggest that just because we did such and such job or have such and such degree we shouldn't have to do the relevant training to become something else. I am fully aware that training does not make a good therapist, it comes down to the individual and I am not saying all go and get NVQ's, there are alternatives! Also I am aware that some training such as specialising in waxing and nails there are some truly excellent specialist courses out there.
They would be briefly trained in a subject/treatment, but not a qualification.
I don't doubt there are excellent courses out there, but why not get the minimum level qualification first? It doesn't have to take years to accomplish, neither be full time, also previous skills and experience might be taken into account? it not a question of doing the time, it about equipping yourself with relevant knowledge and skills to offer the best safe service for your clients. I am sure we would all like to cut corners but really what this argument boils down to is a comparison between knowledge gained on a few days of learning and the knowledge gained to obtain a certain standard with a qualification, things that will have been covered during study include contraindications, medical history, suitability for treatment, anatomy...in depth, you will then go over them again during product training, which is kind of what I view these courses to be really. There are those of us who held jobs within Nursing and Healthcare, Dentistry etc... But yet still undertook anatomy and physiology, did full beauty training to become therapists, because we were changing profession and whilst we can use our previous skills and experience it's kind if arrogant to suggest that just because we did such and such job or have such and such degree we shouldn't have to do the relevant training to become something else. I am fully aware that training does not make a good therapist, it comes down to the individual and I am not saying all go and get NVQ's, there are alternatives! Also I am aware that some training such as specialising in waxing and nails there are some truly excellent specialist courses out there.
hollydollymac
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I've done courses a few hours long
And been given study packs prior to doing the course and then had to pass an exam before being classed as qualified and been sent away with back up info and open ended support if required.
You choose to work in an unregulated industry- as do we all, qualifications often mean nothing n, talent and flair count for alot, especially in nails
And make up artistry. If your so highly qualified and good at what you do then what have you got to worry about? Your
Clients will soon be back from the one day course girl..... Won't they?
Ps..... I did 1 day courses in intimate waxing, sienna x tanning and cnd shellac... Does it make me ****? No!
Lynne Baker
Lynne The Skin!
I wonder if this really is true though, Kim.
The standard criteria for professionalism includes the following
- Expert and specialised knowledge in field which one is practising professionally.
- Excellent manual/practical and literary skills in relation to profession.
- High quality work in (examples): creativity, products, services, consultancy, primary/other research, administrative, marketing, and/or other work endeavours.
- A high standard of professional ethics, behaviour and work activities while carrying out one's profession (as an employee, self-employed person, career, enterprise, business, company, or partnership/associate/colleague, etc.). The professional owes a higher duty to a client, often a privilege of confidentiality, as well as a duty not to abandon a genuine client just because he or she may not be able to pay or remunerate the professional. Often the professional is required to put the interest of the client ahead of his own interests.
- Reasonable work morale and motivation. Having interest and desire to do a job well as holding positive attitude towards the profession are important elements in attaining a high level of professionalism.
- Appropriate treatment of relationships with colleagues. Consideration should be shown to elderly, junior or inexperienced colleagues, as well as those with special needs. An example must be set to perpetuate the attitude of one's business without doing it harm.
- A professional is an expert who is a master in a specific type of profession.
Is it possible to be all of those things after a two day course?
Genuine question...
Rinn
CND Shellac EA
There are plenty of people who did 1 or 2 year training who are not good therapists and there are people who did 1 day courses who excel at their chosen discipline.
The cream always rises to the top........it depends on the person and on the quality of the educator.
In regard to this particular thread, I wouldn't doubt the standard of training the lady received from S2 was second to none.
It remains to be seen if the lady's business will evolve and grow or if it will die a death , all the OP can do is rise above it and offer her clients an impeccable service and ride it out.
The cream always rises to the top........it depends on the person and on the quality of the educator.
In regard to this particular thread, I wouldn't doubt the standard of training the lady received from S2 was second to none.
It remains to be seen if the lady's business will evolve and grow or if it will die a death , all the OP can do is rise above it and offer her clients an impeccable service and ride it out.
classixuk
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I have read this thread with interest!
At the end of the day, nobody can seriously doubt in any way or form that somebody who studies or practices something for 3 years, 5 days per week, will obviously have more underlying knowledge than somebody fresh from a 2 day training course. Is everyone agreed on that? I hope so.
I think that the OP's point was this...If she advertises as "TO Certified" what difference does that make in the consumer's eyes if TO are now possibly 'certifying' people to the same level after just 2 days in training, and whose previous beauty experience might have been simply selling make-up in Boots the Chemist?
Perhaps the answer here would be different levels of "TO certified" such as Bronze, Silver, Gold and Platinum?
2 day course = Bronze.
Level 2 + 2 day course = Silver.
Level 3 + 2 day course = Gold.
Level 4 + 2 day course = Platinum.
That way everyone would be happy?
At the end of the day, nobody can seriously doubt in any way or form that somebody who studies or practices something for 3 years, 5 days per week, will obviously have more underlying knowledge than somebody fresh from a 2 day training course. Is everyone agreed on that? I hope so.
I think that the OP's point was this...If she advertises as "TO Certified" what difference does that make in the consumer's eyes if TO are now possibly 'certifying' people to the same level after just 2 days in training, and whose previous beauty experience might have been simply selling make-up in Boots the Chemist?
Perhaps the answer here would be different levels of "TO certified" such as Bronze, Silver, Gold and Platinum?
2 day course = Bronze.
Level 2 + 2 day course = Silver.
Level 3 + 2 day course = Gold.
Level 4 + 2 day course = Platinum.
That way everyone would be happy?
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tonicj
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You know, I have read every reply here with interest and have come to the conclusion that if I am happy with myself and my business and how I got there then why would I care what other people do. There will always be competition in this industry and clients may come and go but I will continue to make my clients feel valued and hopefully most of them will feel that.
Cholo
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I have read this thread with interest!
At the end of the day, nobody can seriously doubt in any way or form that somebody who studies or practices something for 3 years, 5 days per week, will obviously have more underlying knowledge than somebody fresh from a 2 day training course. Is everyone agreed on that? I hope so.
I think that the OP's point was this...If she advertises as "TO Certified" what difference does that make in the consumer's eyes if TO are now possibly 'certifying' people to the same level after just 2 days in training, and whose previous beauty experience might have been simply selling make-up in Boots the Chemist?
Perhaps the answer here would be different levels of "TO certified" such as Bronze, Silver, Gold and Platinum?
2 day course = Bronze.
Level 2 + 2 day course = Silver.
Level 3 + 2 day course = Gold.
Level 4 + 2 day course = Platinum.
That way everyone would be happy?
Who would this be for though- to placate the therapist who has trained for x number of years or Jo public?
I think this thread is about something else - the OP has an issue with this specific course allowing attendees to be eligible to 'treat' public after 2 days (and possibly with no other experience).
In all honesty, I don't think most people (potential customers / Jo public) would care about bronze, silver or gold. They just want to be slimmer, lifted, plumped etc etc...
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Verve Designs
TAFNO Extensionize
In my line of business, I used to get agitated that people could get a pirated copy of photoshop, do a 6 week night course in "design" and call themselves a graphic designer. As opposed to my route of getting a degree and working for agencies to learn my trade.
*I know thats a, somewhat, weak analogy and the TO course would be perfectly adequate to train in that particular technique*
However, point I wanted to make was that I learned to let the MARKET decide who's service they'd like to pay for...
*I know thats a, somewhat, weak analogy and the TO course would be perfectly adequate to train in that particular technique*
However, point I wanted to make was that I learned to let the MARKET decide who's service they'd like to pay for...
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hollydollymac
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Exactly and if you're good at what you do why would you be so bothered that a client has set up alone! Xxx
Lynne Baker
Lynne The Skin!
Because you should always be aware of the competition. If you're not it will sound your death knell.
classixuk
Well-Known Member
It would be absolutely to placate the professional therapist, and perhaps encourage Jo Public to pay more for their services (if they (Mrs Jo Public) were bothered about such things).
You may be correct, and indeed this thread may be about the OP having an issue with TO allowing anyone to offer their service with just 2 days of training (if that's what has actually happened..so far we only have an allegation). If that is the case, and it irks the OP, I would suggest she shrugs it off and looks into other professional companies such as Millenium Body Wrap to source her materials from - after all, we don't get upset that Avon sell to the public - we simply don't support the brand in our professions. Maybe that's the future TO envisage?
As a personal thought I wouldn't think that would be the case though as they have approached the Sweets and secured UK distribution through them - and the Sweets have managed to keep CND strictly professional?
I did like your "slimmer, lifted or plumped" line LOL, but for that to happen the therapists have to believe in a product enough to buy into it and promote it for themselves - I am sure there is an Avon product that promises the same results as SV but clients aren't spending £45 a pop on it...it's the therapists that are the bridge between the consumer and the manufacturer.
Lynne Baker
Lynne The Skin!
Indeed. And what a shame that CND themselves haven't bothered to keep it so, eh?
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tonicj
Guest
Yes be aware but we can't change what's around us that's why I would prefer to put my energy elsewhere. Worrying saps our energy and dampens our personality and makes us unhappy and I can do without that xx
