Boots No.7 Protect & Perfect???

[LookGood]

I am trying to find something negative from research that the Boots No.7 range of Protect & Perfect is just a hype.
The research from the documentary on Horizon was apparantley paid for by Boots to do the tests at Manchester University as a blind research not double blind (where the tests are anonymous).
Im struggling to find a website that has proof of this and can show me the active ingredients in the range are pretty normal in some other skin care anti-ageing creams.
Is there anyone out there with a knowledge of where to look for argumentative websites on clinical tests etc?
Thanks

 

[alan27]

gossmakeupartist on youtube did a video on this, and i think it's probably what you're looking for!

YouTube - No. 7 Protect and Perfect

hth's

x

 

[LookGood]

Thanks Alan27 I saw this but I have to have evidence in writing for an assignment. Im going into Boots today to give the poor sales assistant a grilling, but then again she will be biased 'for' the product.
There is little showing against.

 

[min11]

Thanks Alan27 I saw this but I have to have evidence in writing for an assignment. Im going into Boots today to give the poor sales assistant a grilling, but then again she will be biased 'for' the product.
There is little showing against.

Would a sales assistant know? I'd have thought you would be better off going higher up than a store based employee.............

 

[LookGood]

Would a sales assistant know? I'd have thought you would be better off going higher up than a store based employee.............

I would expect her to be trained on what ingredients claim to make this product so good and give me at least an argument. If not then she may give me some details of who to ask. But even then I reckon I will only get the same speel thats on the Boots website and Horizons documentary.

 

[pure]

This is a list of the product ingredients -

Cyclopentasiloxane
Aqua
Butylene glycol
Dimethicone cross polymer
Cyclohexasiloxane
Glycerin
Dimethicone copolyol
Sodium ascorbyl phosphate
Polysorbate 20
Magnesium sulphate
Phenoxyethanol
Sodium PCA
Retinyl palmitate
Methylparaben
Propylene glycol
Lupinus albus
Carbomer
Butylparaben
Ethylparaben
Propylparaben
Isobutylparaben
Panax ginseng
Morus Alba
Tocopherol
Palmitoyl pentapeptide-3

The active ingredient will be Retinyl palmitate which is a form of vitamin A. Vitamin A has been scientifically proven to have postitive results in reducing the signs of aging, but the levels they will be able to use in an OTC product will be minimal, and in order to get really good results our skin needs to build up its levels graually, which Boots no 7 products will not do.

So although it has vit A any results will be minimal compared to other products available (salon only) which will have increased benefits due to the higher ingredient levels.

 

[Bagpuss]

This stuff broke me out....

 

[min11]

Its funny because it does work well for me, and noticeable enough for others to comment who know me. I wonder if a lot of it is down to skin type and the chance you take on anything being suitable if its not recommended by a professional?

 

[*sarah*]

This stuff broke me out....

Me too! had two lovely spots on my chin! and it was the light day cream aswell and I would'nt say I have very oliy skin.
The simple one with zinc is fab and all my red blemishes have disappeared too! obviously sensitive to most creams as I just thouhgt that was how my skin was! lol it apparently came out on top over clarins, etc xx

 

[fena]

Hi

Someone said some time ago, it was a 'posh form of Vit C'. Cant remember where i heard it though.

 

[pure]

Hi

Someone said some time ago, it was a 'posh form of Vit C'. Cant remember where i heard it though.

Whats posh about it? :irked: lol

 

[fena]

Whats posh about it? :irked: lol

Lol :lol: I have no idea, she just said is was 'posh Vit C :irked:

So i thought if that is the case i will make my own Vit C serum and did. Alot nicer it is as well
I just wish i could remember where i heard it from :irked:

 

[Martin Duffy]

How did you stabilise your VitC though, because it is a very unstable vitamin, especially when it comes to water. I'm not sure why anyone would consider it a posh Vitamin C as I wasn't aware it contained any Ascorbic?

 

[fena]

I had no idea what it contained untill i read it on here.
Hang on i'll get my notes, i have to check the Ph as well.

 

[LookGood]

I thank you all for your input. Ive found so much positive but not much 'evidence' of negative.

I'm doing a degree so I need to HARVARD reference my conclusion. If I dont get any 'negative' evidence (by paper/journal/newspaper etc) I dont have a point of argument.

Ive got 3 weeks left to work on this and Im struggling with it as well as 3 other presentations and assignments.
:cry:

 

[LookGood]

Drawing short now on what I can use to argue with. I'm going to have to use the ingredients as the cause of argument.

The range does not use Retinol A but Palmitoyl Pentapeptide-3 which is kinder to the face than Retinol A.

Boots apparantley have a company called Skin.NY(R) who claim to have the theory of this serum ingredient working 6 years before boots and are suing them??(not sure how true this is yet).

So not being well up on ingredients and what works and what doesnt. It looks like 'Pure' is right about the use of what they have in the serum is a watered down version of what is bought in a more concentrated salon formula. Hence why it takes longer to work and probably costs as much for using it over a year as some competition from a salon bought one.

Now I probably need to find its closest comparison bought in a salon only, if anyone knows of any?

Hope this makes sense??

Thanks in advance.

 

[pure]

Now I probably need to find its closest comparison bought in a salon only, if anyone knows of any?

Environ is a brand known for using vitamin A specifically, and also vitamin C. Check our their South African site which give details on their theories and products.
Environ® - A Beautiful Skin for a Life Time

 

[LookGood]

Thanks for that Pure, do you know of any other companies using the Palmitoyl Pentapeptide-3 instead of Retinol A? Obviously the quantity in the boots range must vary in the salon bought creams.

Do you think there is anywhere I can find proof of an argument that Boots range is weak compared to a salon brand?

 

[Martin Duffy]

I believe Palmitoyl pentatpeptide 3 was also known as "Matryxl", the more up-to-date version of which is Matryxl 3000, which has much vaunted benefits but as far as I can see no independent research. The latter is in CACI's new peptide serum.

 

[perfectbeauty]

found this on cosmeticscop.com

retinyl palmitate. Form of vitamin A. It is a combination of retinol (pure vitamin A) and palmitic acid. There is research showing it to be effective as an antioxidant and skin-cell regulator (Sources: European Journal of Medical Research, September 2001, pages 391–398; and Journal of Investigative Dermatology, September 1997, pages 301–305). See retinol.

and this

palmitoyl pentapeptide 3. Trade name Matrixyl, a fatty acid mixed with amino acids. The only research showing this has any significance for skin was carried out by the ingredient manufacturer, Sederma. In their research, three different “half-face” studies with a total of about 45 participants showed it to be better than a retinol or vitamin C product (Source: Journal of Cosmetic Science, January–February 2001, pages 77–78). Without independent substantiation, however, there is no way to know how accurate this company-funded research is. Further, according to Sederma’s research, the recommended concentration for this ingredient is 3% to 5% and there are few, if any, lines that include more than just a trace amount in their products. See amino acid and fatty acid.

it was in the learn section and then ingredients dictionary.

dont know if its any help to you - but at least there is reference on it to get more info

hth
nicola