Capital training, any old Tom/Dick/Harry doing it!

[Shell-Perfect10]

I agree and put a similar post up about people doing one day courses then under cutting everyone else and I got shot down in flames, basically got told people doing the one day courses are more interested than those who go to college. I still don't agree with it, really think people should have a beauty background and understanding and their anatomy and physiology before under taking any beauty work. Where I am locally one girl worked in construction has done a few one day courses and is severly under cutting all the people who spent years if their life training, doing tans for a tenner, HD brows for £10, shellac for £10. She's also doing waxing and then spray tanning people straight after cos she has no understanding of the skin or risk or infection it's things like that you really don't learn on a one day course, yes you get told not to do it but you dont get told why!

 

[gillian w]

What you learn will depend on your trainer.There are college tutors teaching full courses that are dreadful and there are short course instructors that are brilliant and vice versa

 

[jacquelineanna]

Hardly! You sound lovely so please take this in the way that's it's meant but I don't think you'd be called a training snob by training with Capital. x[/QUOTE


:lol: :lol: :biggrin:

 

[pinknfluffy]

Just wanted to add my two penneth worth - i recently trained on a 1 day course, i was made redundant from my customer services full time job just before xmas, and with 2 children to support i couldnt manage to be out of work long. i have never claimed a benefit in my life, and do not intend to start now! I grew up within holistic therapy, my parents owned & ran a very successful clinic, i have trained through part time collage courses in body massage, baby massage, and indian head massage, many years ago, but have been offering treatments in each on a saturday through the clinic.
I have always thought about branching into beauty, and with my parents separating, me & dh bought out his half of clinic, so me being made redundant was the perfect opportunity to make my dream real!
I passed my 1 day waxing course, i have since come home & purchased a start up kit, and since practised on anyone & everyone, on average, 8-9 times a week! its been 3 weeks, i would now say i am confident in leg/arm/facial/chest on both men & women, but bikini's still daunt me a little, although i have had NO complaints from any of my models,( in fact, the mother of a friend who has been getting waxed for 15 plus years said i was better, quicker, and caused less pain than her regular therapist!!!) I have not yet charged a client, i am setting up a room at our clinic, and will begin advertising in February, ready to start earning (hopefully) after half term.
So, just because i was unable to attend a long-term course, does not mean i am irresponsible or have no interest. I intend to be the best damn waxer in my area, and the only way to do that is through experience, and taking the correct precautions / using proper practice etc...so i can confidently say that already, i am well on my way to achieving my dream!
sorry rant over!

 

[TLC Lisa]

Completely understand the opening topic of this post, however in my experience it all depends on the individual having the training and how serious they are at commiting themselves to learning the theory as well as the practical. I started by doing a nails course over 6 months and since them have gone on to so 1 day courses to offer other treatments. The trainer I found is an absolute godsend, very thorough and will not let you leave until she is happy with the practical and that you are confident wit the theory. I have on some occasions asked a few questions the day after and my trainer is more than happy to help. Once these 1 day courses have been completed I practise for weeks on friends and family until I'm happy to offer that specific treatment.

In a hairdressers in my town there is a hairdresser who did 2 years beauty course at college and cannot even paint a nail ....... And she left qualified with an NVQ.......reason for this, she is not interested ....how do I know this ? Because she comes to me to have her gelish done every 3 weeks.

So IMO I think I depends solely on the individual
Xxx

 

[<3nails]

I've done LEVEL 2 Beauty intensive in proper college and I think only 4 girls from the lot actually work in salons and another 5 work in boots the rest do random jobs not beauty related.I've done short courses too and I wished I've never wasted my time with the local college, their diplomas are only good if you are planning to be employed by a salon or company.In the real life the one that counts is your passion , dedication, experience and talent.

Sent from my GT-I9300 using SalonGeek

 

[Matthew Taylor]

Oh my god!
I cant believe that I spent 2 years at college learning all about my specialist field - skin. Learning the anatomy and physiology of the whole body, and how many things can affect it. Absorbing information over all those months and some of it taking so long to go in; spending hours and hours trying to perfect my techniques for each unit......
And after all that I could have just done a morning course at Capital or Sallys! I feel robbed!

I'm sorry but the you cannot learn nails/facials/waxing in a morning/day course and then be deemed to be competent; no matter how enthusiastic and dedicated someone is it is not right to be let loose on poor joe public even though you are insurance covered!
It scares the shizzle out of me!

Do we see Doctors learning it all in a month? No!
Does a cardiac surgeon that specialises in the heart just do a just week course because he/she is just specialising in that area therefore doesnt need to know everything else? No!

So why should our industry be any different?
Oh, because its 'only' beauty - its not serious is it!
The quicker this country regulates this industry the better

 

[angelina221]

I am one of those people that have done one day courses. I've also done 2 day courses and a 10 day course.
I also spend hours researching and revising.
I honestly think it is down to the individual and how much work they are prepared to put in.
I am not stupid enough to think that I can do a one day course and then I'll be completely proficient in that subject, although I am aware that some people do.
I would never perform a treatment on a client until I felt competent.
I have my own salon and I've had girls from the local college work at my salon for a few days.
Most of them were doing level 3.
I would not have employed one of them. In fact, I refuse to let them work in the salon now.
They don't have the standards that I have, they don't have the knowledge I have and a lot of them don't have the right attitude.
It really is down to the individual and how much they really want it and how much work they are prepared to put in.
As for saying that the girl was only doing the course to get some money, well to be fair, that's what I do it for!
I love my job but I wouldn't do it for nothing!

 

[Emily Case]

I am part of the "one day brigade" too.

I firmly believe that if you can take a qualification and run with it, you'll do well. It depends on the person training! I'm a quick learner and I LOVE to learn. My training only fuelled my passion to research and practise and get the most out of my course. Sure, the training wasn't amazing but it gave me the basic knowledge which I have used to better myself. I will say though, I had to do theory work and pass a test in order to do the practical training. It's about the individual.

Xxx

 

[leni]

I am one of those people that have done one day courses. I've also done 2 day courses and a 10 day course.
I also spend hours researching and revising.
I honestly think it is down to the individual and how much work they are prepared to put in.
I am not stupid enough to think that I can do a one day course and then I'll be completely proficient in that subject, although I am aware that some people do.
I would never perform a treatment on a client until I felt competent.
I have my own salon and I've had girls from the local college work at my salon for a few days.
Most of them were doing level 3.
I would not have employed one of them. In fact, I refuse to let them work in the salon now.
They don't have the standards that I have, they don't have the knowledge I have and a lot of them don't have the right attitude.
It really is down to the individual and how much they really want it and how much work they are prepared to put in.
As for saying that the girl was only doing the course to get some money, well to be fair, that's what I do it for!
I love my job but I wouldn't do it for nothing!

Exactly the same as you!
Also done some short and some longer courses and own successful salon. And the girls that come here for training come with the attitude "I know it all"

 

[Miss Sylk]

my reply to the thread title is i feel disheartened and hurt by our professional salon suppliers for not thinking of us pros who have kept loyal to them for many years when starting to sell to the public, it's all about the sales these days eh!!!

 

[cheekychick]

I did my VTCT beauty level 1 at college and learnt all of my health & safety, contra indications, contra actions etc. Then did a day mani & pedi course with capitals ( then later went onto shellac with cnd.)
We had a lovely trainer who sat with us individually and went through everything. She had worked for the brand Jessica for many years and taught us lots of great things.
To be honest I knew pretty much everything already through research as I am very passionate about nails and genuinely want to do well.
But the cost of courses held me back (didn't train in beauty until I turned 25 despite wanting to do it at school but my family/myself couldn't afford to)
We aren't all like what some of you describe.
I use quality products from cnd, am fully insured and recently started working In a salon where I am teaching them new things despite them training for 3 years at college and being in the industry 10 year longer than me.
Everyone is different. The people doing a day course, not ones who think they know it all, don't do the proper research and undercutting everyone else won't last in the industry and will lose more than they gain. Don't know why some of you waste time stressing about what others are doing- put that wasted effort into your own business and you'll do a hell of a lot better.
Xx

 

[pauladee]

I have a full time office job which I have been doing for almost 10 years. I have always wanted to change direction and start working in the beauty industry, but unfortunately with a mortgage and bills to pay I can't leave me job to go to college for 2 years, I did look at doing an NVQ on a night course, but couldn't afford it.

Doing the short courses enables me to start doing what I am passionate about. I do my research and make sure I only train with highly recommended , professional (Kim Lawless, Nouvatan, Flirties and CND) companies.

 

[jmd1980]

Just my tuppence worth....

I think in the UK we have a lot we could learn from the US system of regulation and licensing of therapists. To be eligible for licensing, a certain number of training hours must be completed in conjunction with written exams. I have completed documentation for a number of ex students applying for a license in the US, and the eligibility requirements are extremely stringent.

This is not to put down anyone completing short courses - we all learn in different ways and at a different pace. I have taught students who achieved better competency in a week than others did in a full academic year.

I do think that some measure of standardisation is needed. We cannot and must not expect clients to understand the different methods of training for therapists. If there was a standardised system of training and regulation, clients could be more confident in their choice of therapist and salon.

We are working in an industry which is increasingly competing with the medical industry in terms of skincare, hair removal, anti-aging etc. If we are to remain competitive and be taken seriously, I think me must up our game.

For me,regulation and licensing is the answer, of course this is only my opinion!!

 

[KayaPapaya]

I don't think anyone will dispute the fact that quality training and then practice, practice, practice is the way to go.

Until very recently, I would have very much have been the advocate of "college" training. But after two very long and tiring (part-time evening) years at my local tech, trying to master hairdressing, I'm now not so sure.

I'm about to embark on a number of "short" intensive courses, to kick start a brand new career for me.

When I mentioned to this to one of my teachers this year (I currently have 8 teachers for the 9 hours a week I do at college - have no consistency, none of them know who we are and I'm in a mature group of 10 students!) - they asked why I wasn't considering doing another course with the college.

To be honest, with a full time job, I simply (selfishly) couldn't bear the thought of another evening of my week gone for the next 3-6 months. And with the consistently less than great experience there for the last 2 years, I would rather not do the course.

I'm under no illusions that I'll become an expert overnight, but I'm looking for better quality training with support.

I don't think you can blame people for wanting to do shorter courses, as I say, until very recently I would have always gone down the longer course route, and, you know, never say never.

 

[Glitterbox81]

I wanted to do a college course and applied and got accepted however as a 31 year old with a mortgage and bills to pay there was simply no way to make a full time course work. I couldn't get enough funding to pay my bills (and believe me I tried), I couldn't keep my current job and attend college as they don't offer it as a part time or night course anywhere near me, the only course they DO offer anyway is the SVQ2 or 3 which seemed outdated (manual tanning only for example) and mainly focused on things I didn't want to do- massage and waxing for example. They didn't offer spray tanning, gel polishes, eyelash extensions so I'd have done my 2 years at college and THEN have had to do all the 1 day courses anyway (more expense I couldn't afford).

So maybe instead of focusing your anger and disgust at us 1 day brigaders you should focus it on the education system for their outdated courses and lack of help for mature students wanted to change career.

I have done the short courses and then have come home and researched and practised and gone back to my trainer with any questions. I'd never work on someone if I thought I wasn't ready.

 

[KayaPapaya]

I wanted to do a college course and applied and got accepted however as a 31 year old with a mortgage and bills to pay there was simply no way to make a full time course work. I couldn't get enough funding to pay my bills (and believe me I tried), I couldn't keep my current job and attend college as they don't offer it as a part time or night course anywhere near me, the only course they DO offer anyway is the SVQ2 or 3 which seemed outdated (manual tanning only for example) and mainly focused on things I didn't want to do- massage and waxing for example. They didn't offer spray tanning, gel polishes, eyelash extensions so I'd have done my 2 years at college and THEN have had to do all the 1 day courses anyway (more expense I couldn't afford).

So maybe instead of focusing your anger and disgust at us 1 day brigaders you should focus it on the education system for their outdated courses and lack of help for mature students wanted to change career.

I have done the short courses and then have come home and researched and practised and gone back to my trainer with any questions. I'd never work on someone if I thought I wasn't ready.

Quite right!
Hit the nail on the head. There's no support for those over the age of 18 who work and want to change direction in life.

We really don't have the luxury to not work, so we need courses that fit our lifestyles. That being said, this is where we get into the circle of sub-standard courses exploiting this market.

Believe you me, if I could do a full time 2 year course I'd do it in a shot, in fact I'd rather do an apprenticeship, but who'd pay my bills? I get no help from anyone! I work to pay for college, if I don't work, I can't do a full time college course either, as the dole office hassle you to work. If I want to do a course, I save up and pay for it. Half the girls on my course get their courses free, kits paid for, uniforms paid for, consumables paid for, and don't care if they pass or fail, and some of them have done this twice already. I get nothing but I'm investing in my future.

That being said, if I want to better myself, that's a sacrifice I'm willing to take.

 

[KirstieLou]

Shocks me too!! However guves us the edge, i spent 4 years in college training in beauty and have done further courses and the amount of knowledge I have to give to clients now is so beneficial!
I am forever fighting these quick buck makers but when I get a client who's been to these people they don't leave because they can ask me anything about there treatment, bodies and nails and I know it (most of the time!)

 

[angelina221]

Shocks me too!! However guves us the edge, i spent 4 years in college training in beauty and have done further courses and the amount of knowledge I have to give to clients now is so beneficial!
I am forever fighting these quick buck makers but when I get a client who's been to these people they don't leave because they can ask me anything about there treatment, bodies and nails and I know it (most of the time!)

Funny that, but my clients are shocked at my knowledge too.
In fact a lot of my clients say I am the best therapist they have been to.
Not bad for doing one day courses.
I have done probably about 50 courses and A&P is covered on most of them so I have a good knowledge of it.
I have done courses on Correct Consultation and Medical Issues and Infection Control.
I had one girl from college tell me that she had learned more from me in one day than 2 years in college.
I guess it depends which college you go to as well.
This same girl also asked me about a machine in the salon. I told her it was a microdermabrasion machine.
Her reply 'Oh we are going to learn that at college. Well they said they won't know if we will have enough time to do it but we'll get passed anyway.'
Now that IS scary!

 

[KirstieLou]

Funny that, but my clients are shocked at my knowledge too.
In fact a lot of my clients say I am the best therapist they have been to.
Not bad for doing one day courses.
I have done probably about 50 courses and A&P is covered on most of them so I have a good knowledge of it.
I have done courses on Correct Consultation and Medical Issues and Infection Control.
I had one girl from college tell me that she had learned more from me in one day than 2 years in college.
I guess it depends which college you go to as well.
This same girl also asked me about a machine in the salon. I told her it was a microdermabrasion machine.
Her reply 'Oh we are going to learn that at college. Well they said they won't know if we will have enough time to do it but we'll get passed anyway.'
Now that IS scary!

As I said clients who had been to 'quick money makers'