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pinkylisa28

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Hi everyone
just a bit of advice please on which gel company you all rate, if been looking at opi brisa and ezflow?
Anyone used more than one company and found the have a preference?
thanks
 
Personally I had planned never to use a gel product

The traditional gel product ingredients (such as acrylates) have a very high chance of leading to irritation and allergy... and are much further up the allergy scale than L&P

This was however until BRiSA was able to be formulated with a L&P type base chemical mix. This now gives you the lightness, speed, workability and an odour free alternative

hth's
 
brisa is it then!thanks for your reply, just going to have to wait for the lamp to come in now so i can get my kit to train with:D
 
All traditional buff off gels are made with the same "base" as l&p, brisa is no different than the others, just marketed better perhaps;) there is not a higher chance for over exposure (not sure where you heard this) than any other product if handled correctly. Pinky I have tried all 3 of those lines and my advice is to do the same if you are able. I ended up not going with any of them in the end, none of them were bad but none were great in opinion, they just weren't right for me. I ended up with NSI Balance gels and I haven't had any issues thus far, I love it.
 
All traditional buff off gels are made with the same "base" as l&p, brisa is no different than the others, just marketed better perhaps;) there is not a higher chance for over exposure (not sure where you heard this) than any other product if handled correctly. Pinky I have tried all 3 of those lines and my advice is to do the same if you are able. I ended up not going with any of them in the end, none of them were bad but none were great in opinion, they just weren't right for me. I ended up with NSI Balance gels and I haven't had any issues thus far, I love it.



Brisa is indeed a different kind of buff off gel for many reasons. It is hypoallergenic and does not contain any of the well known allergens contained in all other gels (gluteraldehyde, formaldehyde, acrylates). It is indeed different based on L&P technology and not urethane . You could say that Brisa is L&P in a gel formulation.

As for where gels stand on the reactivity list .. you are entirely correct as they are at the top of the league because you are more likely to get exposed to it due to the sticky nature of most gels. Brisa is actually less sticky too. Brisa both feels and acts differently to other gels; more technician friendly as are most of the CND products.
 
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Isn't it a pain when you're new on a forum and want honest unbiased opinions and then you see a MOD talking to a contributor like theyre 5 years old? Pull the msds from brisa and several other top gel lines and look at the ingredients. I don't recommend asking for opinions about non CND products on this website unless you want to be shunned and told you dont know what you're talking about:) **hugs** and please don't get discouraged around here, you can learn tons from these ladies if you weed through all the petty nonsense that women love to start:)
 
does not contain any of the well known allergens contained in all other gels (gluteraldehyde, formaldehyde, acrylates). It is indeed different based on L&P technology and not urethane .
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this is not entirely true, brisa does infact contain acrylate monomers and oligomers (as do all traditional gels, to my knowledge), and it IS infact a Urethane Methacrylate based product.

Pinky, I wont bother getting into the "difference" between brisa and the other products you asked about as you will just be told opposite by others even if my info is based on fact pulled directly from the MSDSs... look at the ingredients and if they are named different look up THOSE msds's and you will find they are all methacrylate monomers and oligomers:) Im not saying all gels are created equal, this would certinaly not be true, but there is not a super miracle gel, chemically they are all very similar (in the same family of acrylates). there are obviously different measurements and additives that make each system unique and its worth sampling them and finding out what works for you and your clients. Im sure youre smart enough to figure it out, its not rocket science afterall:) Dont let yourself be fooled by marketing hype (you will see a LOT LOT LOT of that here - even though this is supposed to be a networking and educational site for PROFESSIONALS, you'd never know it) always do your homework.
 
Thank you for all your replys i think im going to get a intro kit from a few companies and try them all.then i will know what suits me best.
thanks:D
 
Pinkylisa, thats the best idea! Try a few different products and see how you get on. I would recommend you try Young Nails synergy gel system. Imo, its the best on the market.
 
even if my info is based on fact pulled directly from the MSDSs... look at the ingredients and if they are named different look up THOSE msds's and you will find they are all methacrylate monomers and oligomers:) Im not saying all gels are created equal, this would certinaly not be true, but there is not a super miracle gel, chemically they are all very similar (in the same family of acrylates)

The information I supplied is based on the MSDS from the major gel brands - at the time I researched there were very few who had primarily used metacrylates - most use a shorter carbon chain acrylate - the shorter the chain in the acrylate family the higher the irritation factor. add to this the lack of other ingredients that are known irritants (as geeg has listed) and you have a much lower chance of irritation and allergic reaction.

Similar in terms of chemicals can be a massive difference - take alcohols for example.

Methanol - main ingredient in methylated spirits
can not be processed by the body properly and leads to blindness and death
Ethanol - One carbon molecule longer -
this is the alcohol we drink and enjoy (in moderation of course ;))
Propanol - one more carbon molecule longer than ethanol
is primarily used as a solvent in the pharmaceutical industry

As you know, and all techs should, small changes to molecules can mean big changes to results.
 
The information I supplied is based on the MSDS from the major gel brands - at the time I researched there were very few who had primarily used metacrylates - most use a shorter carbon chain acrylate - the shorter the chain in the acrylate family the higher the irritation factor. add to this the lack of other ingredients that are known irritants (as geeg has listed) and you have a much lower chance of irritation and allergic reaction.

Similar in terms of chemicals can be a massive difference - take alcohols for example.

Methanol - main ingredient in methylated spirits
can not be processed by the body properly and leads to blindness and death
Ethanol - One carbon molecule longer -
this is the alcohol we drink and enjoy (in moderation of course ;))
Propanol - one more carbon molecule longer than ethanol
is primarily used as a solvent in the pharmaceutical industry

As you know, and all techs should, small changes to molecules can mean big changes to results.

Youre very correct, i wasnt arguing with your info:) i was just trying to point out that this is not unique to brisa gel, (infact all of the systems she inquired about are formulated this way) and doesnt make it any healtheir or perform better than other gel systems (not saying it doesnt perform better than others, i think its one of the best systems on the market, but in my opinion there are others quite equal to it.) If you look at the MSDS of any traditional buff off gel it is made of acrylic oligomers and monomers (and usually the same types of monomers that are used in THAT company's liquid and powder acrylics)... They are not so much a premixed version as they are a partially polymerized (cured- in nail speak) version, where instead of initiator additives in one part of the system that activate the chemical reaction when joined with the other half of the system, the system is activated as a whole by photo-initiators that stimulate the polymerization process when activated by UV light.
 
If you look at the MSDS of any traditional buff off gel it is made of acrylic oligomers and monomers ...

Spot on - they do indeed have acrylic and acrylate oligomers

These are the higher level irritants - both of the other brands have over 50% acrylic/acrylate oligomers

Brisa is 90% metacrylate oligomer - this is why techs who are highly allergic to traditional gels have been successful using BRiSA
(of course they can still over expose and eventually become allergic to BRiSA as well)

hope that helps clarify
 

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