New client who is prone to lifting

[showson]

Hi geeks

Just after a little advice, i have been doing nails for around 6 months now and are working mobile, so at the minute trying to get every little bit of business that i can, a lady called me after i had done several of her friends nails (who are more than happy with my work and have not had any probs at all) and asked if i would do her nails.

This lady did say that she has been to lots of different salons and has always been prone to lifitng, but she did fine a salon where she has been going to for several years and they have never lifted but they were just getting to expensive so she wanted to change.

i went on thrusday morning and did her nails using CND Retention + and her nails looked really nice and she was pleased with them. The client has called me today saying that her nails have started to lift already.

As i am still new to nails, not really sure what to do, i have no problems with lifting at all with any of my other clients.

Any advice on what you other experienced nail techs would do to help with this, as i am going to have a look and the lady wants me to put a new set on.

Any advice or tips please

 

[pamper yourself]

Hi

First of all I don't use the same system as you so if I say something stupid excuse me :lol Anyways I was looking at the cnd site and they say nailfresh is for lift prone clients. If you haven't used it you may want to look into it. I know how you feel cuz I'm currently having the same problem. Every little bit of advice helps.

Good luck. I hope someone can point you in the right direction.

 

[showson]

Hi

Thank you for your reply, i already use nail fresh and it still lifted.

Anyone else i really need some advice on this please

 

[geeg]

Hi

Thank you for your reply, i already use nail fresh and it still lifted.

Anyone else i really need some advice on this please

When a client says this kind of thing (she always has lifting) then it should raise a red flag right away.

I have had clients like this and when I do, I ask them to let me etch their nails with a slightly heavier grit than I would normally use on anyone else. I explain to them what I need to do and ask thier permission to do it. Nine times out of ten it works for them and only if I know they have an incompatibility with acrylic products. I am very careful but sometimes it is needed as a last resort. I do it with knowledge and great care of course and rather me than the discount salon down the road with their drills.

 

[solo-nails]

I use creative moxie......I push back cuticle, lightly etch the nail plate with 100 grit file, cleanse with scrub fresh twice after first coat has dried chalky, apply one coat of nail fresh, and then apply primer...if I have someone who lifts a lot I use No Lift Primer it is Not acid free so be very careful around the cuticle. I have also used Tammy Taylors primer and that works good too. I don't love the Creative acid free primer. And if I they lift really bad I will prime wait till dry and add another coat. Be sure to apply acrylic after primer is completely dry. Hope thats helpful!

 

[geeg]

I use creative moxie......I push back cuticle, lightly etch the nail plate with 100 grit file, cleanse with scrub fresh twice after first coat has dried chalky, apply one coat of nail fresh, and then apply primer...if I have someone who lifts a lot I use No Lift Primer it is Not acid free so be very careful around the cuticle. I have also used Tammy Taylors primer and that works good too. I don't love the Creative acid free primer. And if I they lift really bad I will prime wait till dry and add another coat. Be sure to apply acrylic after primer is completely dry. Hope thats helpful!

This seems incredible over kill to me and I would not advise anyone to use Creative products in this way.

CND monomers do not require the use of primer and even the acid free is only for extra dehydration if needed. Personally I have never used any kind of primer with CND. Only follow the CND routine of gentle prep and the product will do the rest without the use of nailfresh or primer.

For an extreme case only, where there may be an incompatibility problem with acrylic (as the poster ndicated) ... you may find that you have to resort to a tiny bit of etching as in my post above ... no more.

 

[solo-nails]

On the Creative Website it does not state that their monomers should not be used with a primer. The primer is optional with all of their monomers.

Why does Creative have the Nail Fresh and Nail Primer if they shouldn't be use in prevention of lifting?

I have never had luck with a client that has excessive lifting problems to not use some kind of a primer....Geeg when you say to etch the nail plate more what grit do you use....i might have to try that next time.

 

[geeg]

On the Creative Website it does not state that their monomers should not be used with a primer. The primer is optional with all of their monomers.

Why does Creative have the Nail Fresh and Nail Primer if they shouldn't be use in prevention of lifting?

I have never had luck with a client that has excessive lifting problems to not use some kind of a primer....Geeg when you say to etch the nail plate more what grit do you use....i might have to try that next time.

The answer to your first question is that I never stated that the acid FREE primer should not be used only that I did not use it myself and never have. I take the option not to use it. I certainly would not be using acid primer or another brand of primer with CND nor advising others to do so. It certainly does not advocate doing that on the CND website.:hug:

The answer to your second question is that the two products you mention are for extra dehydration IF the client requires it or if the nail technician does not know the correct CND application techniques required for the product to work at its optimum best. I don't believe I said these two products shouldn't be used?:hug:

I have used, in the extreme case of a client whose nails normally have not tolerated acrylic products, a 180 grit file to etch the plate a tiny bit more. Normally I never use anything heavier than a 240 grit on the natural nail to exfoliate it or to remove shine.

I hope that has answered your questions and that when you get an opportunity to attend one of the fantastic CND education classes you will
take it and enjoy learning from it.

 

[solo-nails]

Thanks for your insite! Always love hearing ideas for how to make my nails better and my clients happier.

 

[Missy G]

Have you tried Radical monomer? Since using Radical I found lifting problems in the past have got better

 

[VHunter]

When a client says this kind of thing (she always has lifting) then it should raise a red flag right away.

I have had clients like this and when I do, I ask them to let me etch their nails with a slightly heavier grit than I would normally use on anyone else. I explain to them what I need to do and ask thier permission to do it. Nine times out of ten it works for them and only if I know they have an incompatibility with acrylic products. I am very careful but sometimes it is needed as a last resort. I do it with knowledge and great care of course and rather me than the discount salon down the road with their drills.

It's funny that you should say this because I have found that on 2 of my clients, this is necessary. And I always wondered about it...
Now I know I'm not alone in this.
THANKS!