Anyone tried the new Vani-T Velocity Tan?

[Jenx]

I just tried it yesterday and am delighted with the results, but would love to know if anyone else has tried it.
I wrote in my blog about it, but no-one else seems to have tried it yet.
It is a spray tan which you wash off after 1hr for light, 2hrs for med and 3hrs for dark.
Would love to know what results other people got. I kept it on for 2 1/2hrs, but has anyone tried it for 1 hr or 2hrs or even over the 3hrs.
Thanks,

Jennifer

 

[number1kitty]

I just tried it yesterday and am delighted with the results, but would love to know if anyone else has tried it.
I wrote in my blog about it, but no-one else seems to have tried it yet.
It is a spray tan which you wash off after 1hr for light, 2hrs for med and 3hrs for dark.
Would love to know what results other people got. I kept it on for 2 1/2hrs, but has anyone tried it for 1 hr or 2hrs or even over the 3hrs.
Thanks,

Jennifer

Whats scary is it contains black walnut oil, I had a similar tan solution once and it kept irritating my clients skin and caused an anyphylatic shock in another girl who just came in for an unrelated treatment but breathed the solution in. I find it the strangest ingredient to include in a product as its a known irritant and toxin. Had the same problems with Xen Tan.

I have to say though I lurve the retail line of Van-T is sooo sexy. x

 

[Ruth Mills]

Whats scary is it contains black walnut oil, I had a similar tan solution once and it kept irritating my clients skin and caused an anyphylatic shock in another girl who just came in for an unrelated treatment but breathed the solution in. I find it the strangest ingredient to include in a product as its a known irritant and toxin. Had the same problems with Xen Tan.

I have to say though I lurve the retail line of Van-T is sooo sexy. x

Actually, the inclusion of walnut oil makes sense from a chemistry point of view. Walnut oil contains juglone (5-hydroxy-1,4-napthoquinone) which is chemically similar to lawsone (2-hydroxy-1,4-napthoquinone) which is found in henna. Both stain the skin brown via a chemical process called Michael addition. This might well be a faster chemical reaction than the Maillard reaction by which DHA reacts with the skin... I know that henna paste doesn't take so long to stain the skin - but the longer you leave it on, the darker it gets...
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[number1kitty]

Actually, the inclusion of walnut oil makes sense from a chemistry point of view. Walnut oil contains juglone (5-hydroxy-1,4-napthoquinone) which is chemically similar to lawsone (2-hydroxy-1,4-napthoquinone) which is found in henna. Both stain the skin brown via a chemical process called Michael addition. This might well be a faster chemical reaction than the Maillard reaction by which DHA reacts with the skin... I know that henna paste doesn't take so long to stain the skin - but the longer you leave it on, the darker it gets...
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Its a known irritant though isn't it. And skins a sensitive little critter. Team that with DHA, Alcohol, DMDM Hydantoin etc and its a recipie of disaster for some clients. The less irritants in a solution the better from an insurance point of view.

I just prefer to stay away from anything nut related after I got lots of red raw irritated clients a few years back and then had a girl go into shock on me ~ How I didnt get sued is only a question of there must have been someone looking out for me. I refered the shock victim onto the company responsible but they got out of all responsibility because she was not actually having a spray tan!!! Surely theres a safer alternative?

 

[Ruth Mills]

I would have thought that any formula containing walnut oil should have a prominent warning on it for nut allergy sufferers! And I guess that this could be the case of where something supposedly "natural" is actually an irritant and capable of causing bad reactions in some people - ironically synthetic juglone might well pose a lot less of a risk even though it's not "natural" as then you wouldn't get some of the other compounds in walnut oil (which could well be more allergenic than the juglone itself)...
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[Jenx]

Thanks both for that info, I would never even have thought to mention about nut allergies. I have had a quick look at the ingredients, but not yet had the chance to google everything yet.

Jen x

 

[Jenx]

Ok, I have googled the black walnut oil and can see it could cause allergies (presumably due to it being a nut) however I can't see anywhere that it is a known skin irritant. In fact a lot of the sites suggest it is good for skin conditions like eczema.
Getting a bit confussed here, could one of you point me in the right direction please. I am a bit sad and do like to know all the answers - blame my engineering brain lol x

 

[Ruth Mills]

Ok, I have googled the black walnut oil and can see it could cause allergies (presumably due to it being a nut) however I can't see anywhere that it is a known skin irritant. In fact a lot of the sites suggest it is good for skin conditions like eczema.
Getting a bit confussed here, could one of you point me in the right direction please. I am a bit sad and do like to know all the answers - blame my engineering brain lol x

LOL you are as bad as me with my chemistry brain! I am amused as I mentioned the possibility of using Lawsone as a spray tan ingredient in another thread recently - and then I learn of a formula with walnut oil (i.e. Juglone as the active ingredient) in it. Have a look at lawsone on Wikipedia. I think that is where I read about juglone being similar...
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[Jenx]

LOL you are as bad as me with my chemistry brain! I am amused as I mentioned the possibility of using Lawsone as a spray tan ingredient in another thread recently - and then I learn of a formula with walnut oil (i.e. Juglone as the active ingredient) in it. Have a look at lawsone on Wikipedia. I think that is where I read about juglone being similar...
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Ha ha, I think I read that thread, was that the one about DHA free solutions?
I'll have a wee look on wikipedia and see what I can find :hug:x

 

[Ruth Mills]

Ha ha, I think I read that thread, was that the one about DHA free solutions?
I'll have a wee look on wikipedia and see what I can find :hug:x

Oh yes, that was the thread I think
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[Jenx]

From what I have found on the internet, Black Walnut Oil can be used in cooking and salads etc so surely must generally be considered safe. I am getting more confused by the minute as there isn't a lot of info there lol. It does contain juglone, but surely this must be a tiny amount if the oil is safe for human consumption!?!

 

[Ruth Mills]

From what I have found on the internet, Black Walnut Oil can be used in cooking and salads etc so surely must generally be considered safe. I am getting more confused by the minute as there isn't a lot of info there lol. It does contain juglone, but surely this must be a tiny amount if the oil is safe for human consumption!?!

I guess you could say the same about henna though (containing lawsone) - incidentally here are the MSDS for both...

Lawsone - Safety (MSDS) data for 2-hydroxy-1,4-naphthaquinone

Juglone - Juglone(481-39-0) MSDS Melting Point Boiling Point Density Storage Transport

Both lawsone and juglone are listed as skin, eye and respiratory irritants. Yet henna paste has been safely used for centuries for colouring the skin, despite containing lawsone, an "irritant". And most allergic reactions caused by "henna" are actually due to "black henna", which is adulterated with the synthetic dye PPD (para-phenylenediamine) - which is a common ingredient of many hair dyes incidentally.

So a lot of it probably comes down to the amount of ingredient used - and one would expect that the amount required to turn the skin brown in a spray tan formula is a lot less than that which would normally cause irritation.

However, as seen, there will be some people who are particularly sensitive - and like I said before, people with nut allergies may well be most sensitive to other chemicals in black walnut oil (e.g. specific proteins) rather than the juglone itself... although I'd need to research this further to categorically prove that this was the case...

 

[number1kitty]

From what I have found on the internet, Black Walnut Oil can be used in cooking and salads etc so surely must generally be considered safe. I am getting more confused by the minute as there isn't a lot of info there lol. It does contain juglone, but surely this must be a tiny amount if the oil is safe for human consumption!?!

There are few websites that list it as an actual cosmetic ingredient as opposed to being in food stuffs. Those that do warn away from it. Eating something is never the same as putting it on your skin! Steak takes away bruising - can also cause colon cancer - chilli has a kick to it in food - rub it neat on your skin and it will irritate the hell out it!

The guy that makes my tan solutions told me all about it and its risk or irritation especially when combined with other ingredients.

It is a strange ingredient to put into a tan solution ~ they have some good products so surprised at this.

How do they say their express tan works? It must be an oily solution as the ingredients are quite oil based so there must be alcohol in there to penetrate the DHA otherwise the oil will sit on the skin!?! I would try it but don't fancy it as I have Eczema and it flared up with the last solution I used with that ingredient.

Kate x

 

[collin]

Humans are humans and some will react to ingredients when others wont...there is no one spray tan solution ...or anything that is applied to the skin that is 100% guaranteed against someone having an adverse reaction.

This is why it is so important to not only patch test new customers but to patch test ALL customers when offering them a new solution.

Better safe than sorry :hug:

 

[Ruth Mills]

How do they say their express tan works? It must be an oily solution as the ingredients are quite oil based so there must be alcohol in there to penetrate the DHA otherwise the oil will sit on the skin!?! I would try it but don't fancy it as I have Eczema and it flared up with the last solution I used with that ingredient.

Kate x

Ah, but the Juglone in walnut oil will also stain the skin - like I said before - but via a different chemical process to DHA. It will stain the skin in the same way that henna paste does (Michael addition) - and henna paste is prepared with a mixture of essential oils, and an acidifier like lemon juice.

I would place a fair bet that Lawsone and Juglone are more soluble in oil than they are in water too... hence the solution with walnut oil (i.e. Juglone) in being oil based...

 

[Jenx]

There are few websites that list it as an actual cosmetic ingredient as opposed to being in food stuffs. Those that do warn away from it. Eating something is never the same as putting it on your skin! Steak takes away bruising - can also cause colon cancer - chilli has a kick to it in food - rub it neat on your skin and it will irritate the hell out it!

The guy that makes my tan solutions told me all about it and its risk or irritation especially when combined with other ingredients.

It is a strange ingredient to put into a tan solution ~ they have some good products so surprised at this.

How do they say their express tan works? It must be an oily solution as the ingredients are quite oil based so there must be alcohol in there to penetrate the DHA otherwise the oil will sit on the skin!?! I would try it but don't fancy it as I have Eczema and it flared up with the last solution I used with that ingredient.

Kate x

I just looked at the ingredient list and only 2 near the bottom say they are oil. Backhousia Citriodora (lemon myrtle) oil and Citrus Aurantium Bergamia (bergamot) Fruit Oil (the walnut is extract not oil), but I am just in the process of googling everything. I am not sure how the rapid tan works, but I know that it isn't due to a high DHA percentage and it is an actual rapid process - poss partly due to what Ruth mentioned above.

As said by Collin, everything can cause a reaction to certain people and nothing is 100% 'safe' to everyone. I feel that as long as the patch test is done this shouldn't be a huge issue.

So, is there anyone else out there who has tried this solution, very keen to see how others have got on with it. :hug: x

 

[Ruth Mills]

I just looked at the ingredient list and only 2 near the bottom say they are oil. Backhousia Citriodora (lemon myrtle) oil and Citrus Aurantium Bergamia (bergamot) Fruit Oil (the walnut is extract not oil), but I am just in the process of googling everything. I am not sure how the rapid tan works, but I know that it isn't due to a high DHA percentage and it is an actual rapid process - poss partly due to what Ruth mentioned above.

Interesting! Bergamot orange - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - note the bit about bergamot containing Psoralen which has been used in "tanning accelerators" in the past...

From Wikipedia - "In the past psoralen - extracted from bergamot oil - has been used in tanning accelerators and sunscreens. Psoralens penetrate the skin, where they increase the amount of direct DNA damage. This damage is responsible for sunburn and for an increased melanin production. These substances were known to be photocarcinogenic since 1959,[9] but they were only banned from sunscreens in 1995.[10] These photocarcinogenic substances were banned years after they had caused many cases of malignant melanoma and deaths.[11] Psoralen is now used only in the treatment of certain skin disorders, as part of PUVA therapy."

 

[Jenx]

Interesting! Bergamot orange - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - note the bit about bergamot containing Psoralen which has been used in "tanning accelerators" in the past...

From Wikipedia - "In the past psoralen - extracted from bergamot oil - has been used in tanning accelerators and sunscreens. Psoralens penetrate the skin, where they increase the amount of direct DNA damage. This damage is responsible for sunburn and for an increased melanin production. These substances were known to be photocarcinogenic since 1959,[9] but they were only banned from sunscreens in 1995.[10] These photocarcinogenic substances were banned years after they had caused many cases of malignant melanoma and deaths.[11] Psoralen is now used only in the treatment of certain skin disorders, as part of PUVA therapy."

AARRGG, I am going to bed, my head is already buzzing lol.
Major information overload today :lol: I might just use the ostrich approach lol.
Thought the bit about it being used in witchcraft was funny lol x

xx

 

[number1kitty]

I just looked at the ingredient list and only 2 near the bottom say they are oil. Backhousia Citriodora (lemon myrtle) oil and Citrus Aurantium Bergamia (bergamot) Fruit Oil (the walnut is extract not oil), but I am just in the process of googling everything. I am not sure how the rapid tan works, but I know that it isn't due to a high DHA percentage and it is an actual rapid process - poss partly due to what Ruth mentioned above.

As said by Collin, everything can cause a reaction to certain people and nothing is 100% 'safe' to everyone. I feel that as long as the patch test is done this shouldn't be a huge issue.

So, is there anyone else out there who has tried this solution, very keen to see how others have got on with it. :hug: x

What preserving agents do they use?? Is it Parabens, DMDM Hydantoin or 2-bromo-2-nitropane-1 3 Diol?

Kate x

 

[Jenx]

What preserving agents do they use?? Is it Parabens, DMDM Hydantoin or 2-bromo-2-nitropane-1 3 Diol?

Kate x

LOL, I don't know. I don't see any of those names in it though. Too many chemical names and abreviations for me to cope with in one day :hug: x