Do you think we are harsh?

[naturalnails]

I am a member of another forum (nothing to do with the beauty industry) and they have very different rules to what we have here.

I came across a link the other day about a woman who had sued an internet site because of discussions.

Here is the link - BBC NEWS | UK | Parent website settles libel case

I know (hopefully) that nothing like that would happen on here but please be very careful about what you post, even in jest and also to think about the moderators and the jobs we do and maybe even think about why we do certain things - it is not done to spite you guys but in our own little way, to protect you.

Keep on geeking!

 

[Marlise]

Hi,

Please excuse me, my head feels like it's going to explode, so will say what I think, but might not come out the way I want it too.

I think the world has gone mad. If I were to write a book about something, there are bound to be people who don't agree with what I've written and those that do.

You will never be able to please everybody.

Having said that, I do believe we should pay people respect and not just go say nasty, unthoughtful things without thinking about it.

I have no idea who this woman is or what her views are on raising children. Comparing her to a terrorist does seem a bit harsh. Maybe her views on raising children is quite strict which might have illicit that comment, I don't know.

But, I also believe that we should be able to "disagree" with each other without it being nasty.

We see it on here all the time when people don't agree with methods used to do nail enhancements etc.

I think to "gag" us all because we now live in fear that someone might come on here and sue us because we only said what we thought or had a healthy debate is just wrong.

There should be a healthy balance.


M.

 

[naturalnails]

No one is wanting to gag anyone. It is irrelevant IMO who the woman is or the topic being discussed. The point I was trying to make was about getting the balance. Being able to have discussions without it turning nasty and also not necessarily discussing people in a harmful way if they are not able to stand up for themselves.

Hope that makes sense.

 

[collin]

- it is not done to spite you guys but in our own little way, to protect you.

Keep on geeking!

Now thats a fine thing that you care soooooo much about us ..what a sweetie moderator one you are too :Kissing:

I think this is a fantastic site which enabels us all to get a veiw point accross...sometimes spark's do fly however thats also a good sign of different view points coming together.

I think it also only fair and reasonable that when we do use this as medium to do just that that we should (as best as is possible) work within the constrints laid down by those that provide us with the forum which we are allowed, by them, to use free of charge.

Without rules where would society be and what a mess this forum would also be in???

Good job guy's and bless you all !!!!!!!
:hug:

 

[dee]

i dont agree with people getting "slagged off personally" but i think we are all allowed our views and opinions and the world is going pc mad .. example kids cant sing about black sheeps, they cant have xmas plays etc.... its just more examples of it getting ridiculous

hyperthetical scenario here.... i buy a book which i dont think explains the subject matter very well , can i say i found it to be useless ?? or am i not allowed ?? incase it insults the authour ?

am not saying it would happen on here , just want to get opinions :green:?

 

[Kim Lawless]

I think that it's wrong to try to discredit somebody on a public board. Firstly, the person that they are trying to discredit may not have read the comments and will therefore be unable to defend themselves. Also, mud sticks and it's very difficult to put things right again afterwards.

I feel so strongly about this sort of thing that I've taken legal advice and spoken with my insurers this week and they've both informed me that I can take action if I feel that someone is trying to damage my reputation as a professional or my business. There's nothing to stop you all doing the same.

Of course, we can all have a difference of opinion but when it gets personal, this should be kept private between the two concerned. You can put anything in Google nowadays and www.thesalongeek.com will come almost top of the list. Say for example, I Google 'Hair Straighteners'. You can bet your bottom $ that any thread from this site discussing hair straighteners will come up for anyone to read. That fine until they read an arguement between two geeks and one of them says 'Well I wouldn't use your salon if you use those straighteners'. Like I said, mud sticks and the seed is implanted in the readers mind to not use that salon.

Debates are great. Slander and liable are not !

 

[Verve Designs]

You can insult the book (it's an intangible object)- but not the author.

And I think that's the point- It's one thing having a healthy professional discussion, even if there is disagreement. It's a good thing, people learn from it, one way or another.

It's entirely another making personal attacks.

People ought to bear in mind that the rules of a message board/forum don't supercede the laws of the land.

 

[Bagpuss]

I think its just a matter of common sense....keep posts constructive...informative and positive.

I know its hard sometimes as emotions and passion run high but to say you don't agree with someone or something is fine....but back it up with reasons.

Keep personal comments off the forum and read your post twice before posting.

Never post in anger...walk away...have a breather and come back when you are calmer.

Use the report post function....this is great for us mods because we cant have eyes everywhere...the sooner we are notified, the sooner we can act on it and hopefully nip it in the bud.

I personally would feel mortified if I was the result of anyone being dragged through the courts due to something I said......but as the above link proves....it does and can happen.

Forum rules are there for a reason...and if you don't agree with those rules then it might be a option to re-consider your part on that forum. If I want to go to the Ivy for lunch...I wouldn't wear jeans and trainers and expect to be let in....:lol:

For the above scenario from Dee....Its about wording your post....to say a book is useless is well useless....:lol:....to say you would have gotten more from the book if it had xyz and felt more info on abc would have made the book better is constructive.

 

[dee]

For the above scenario from Dee....Its about wording your post....to say a book is useless is well useless....:lol:....to say you would have gotten more from the book if it had xyz and felt more info on abc would have made the book better is constructive.

:lol: well i know i wouldnt actually say something like that :green: was just asking for opinions, its one of them things where theres a fine line over it and me being me (a wimp) will just sit smack bang in the middle :lol:

 

[Verve Designs]

Also...

I think people get slightly braver because of the supposed anonymity of the internet. It's worth remembering that whenever you make a post, your IP address is leaving a little footprint of who you are, and what you said.

 

[chantell simone]

I think we all agree that a nice discussion is fine and dandy

but when you start to personally attack a person that is a different story altogether

we should be able to debate even if we may disagree without things turning nasty, I think sometimes people should sometimes stop and think before they put across their views

 

[The Geek]

If your post/thread/point is constructive (or at least benign) then it contributes to the site, its members and the other (close to) 10,000 people that come here a day.

If it is NOT constructive or benign, then surely it DOESN'T belong here.

Remember that a debate isn't a debate if the points made are only destructive and negative - that is an argument and has no relevance here.

 

[Snugglepuss]

Thanks for the link Fi - interesting one!

It is wrong that anyone should say so publically horrible things to another! We have all felt hurt by cruel words and they still sting when recalled, even a long time afterwords!

I found it quite disturbing that on one hand the lady had sued the website for comments regarding her and her methods but then on the other hand she had said at no time had she wanted to stifle debates about her book and methods AND she didn't libel any of the people who had said terrible things about her or the founders but the site as a whole! This means that ALL PAYING MEMBERS - good or bad have had to pay for the payout! Madness IMHO!

HOWEVER

Whatever, I will say is that -

That the moderators of any site have it tough - I am also a member of another site which is not nail related and the treatment of one particular girl was absolutely appalling - the sad thing about that was that it wasn't newbies it was well established members who should know better!

It is wrong that people find it in their heart to be able to say such terrible things about others!

I feel that we should respect what others say, it doesn't take much to turn your post around from a bitch-fest to a constructive one - take a little time reading it before posting!

Lots of posts are lost into the past - sometimes, but only occasionally are they resurrected, so a lot of heated posts/debates soon disappear!

We tend to only look at the posts we have been involved in or are "juicy"!

At times we all have felt like leaving a site we are involved with BUT one fab geek on here made me think when she basically said "go on have a go at me, I don't care, I am known for my forthright way but I never personally attack anyone - just state what I agree with or what I know as fact! Why should I leave the site over someone who thinks it is funny to openly have a go at me!" This particular lady actually made revise my decision to leave the site!

We should look more on the positive side and less on the negative - I personally find it difficult to continually word my posts so that no one person feels that they have been a target - but I would rather do that, than the mods have to continually watch and amend posts by me!

Sorry rambled on again - now I'm late for swimming with the boys :lol:

 

[Marlise]

No one is wanting to gag anyone. It is irrelevant IMO who the woman is or the topic being discussed. The point I was trying to make was about getting the balance. Being able to have discussions without it turning nasty and also not necessarily discussing people in a harmful way if they are not able to stand up for themselves.

Hope that makes sense.

Fiona,

I think you misunderstood. Told you I was full of a cold and what I think and what might come out of my mouth might not be the same thing ... it's all these drugs I'm taking (cold meds that is) :lol::lol:

The point I was trying to make was a healthy discussion / debate is good without it turning nasty as I said before.

I would never advocate publicly slagging someone off saying nasty / negative things.

However, as an example, we talk about the poor standards / quality of work / hygiene practices of NSS salons all the time. I believe when we talk about these things, we have the facts. Most of us have seen first hand the way they work etc and most of us have heard the horror stories from our clients.

We hear these stories from all over the world on this site. We can't all be wrong, can we ?

So the point is, when we discuss NSS, is there not every possibility that they could sue us because we are slandering them ? Or would they legally not have a leg to stand on because what we are saying is fact ?

We have such good discussions / debates on here, that it would be a shame if suddenly no one gave their opinion anymore because they are scared that they might get sued !

I agree that we should keep things constructive etc, just don't want to see that no one debates anymore because of this.

Does any of this make sense, or am I rambling ???


M.

 

[collin]

Fiona,


So the point is, when we discuss NSS, is there not every possibility that they could sue us because we are slandering them ? Or would they legally not have a leg to stand on because what we are saying is fact ?

One has to be extreemly carefull with the laws of this land as they are there to protect both individuals as well as companies alike..

In a case of slander the courts would look at and consider many things...one would be the qualification of the individual making the allegation...is she/he just an individule off the street who is letting of some hot air...or is it someone who should know better (a professional,newspaper or another company etc)

They will also consider the financial loss to the company/individual concerned as result of the slander ....remember someone cannot sue for financilal compensation for loses incurred if there havent been any.

I do have to confess that when I do see some postings both here and on other forum's I do cringe as some comments are sailing very close to the wind..given that the comments are comming from so called professional's

I do have to say that I did have a good chuckle at the importance the Grammer thread was being played up...when really spillin(opps) is clearly the least of our worries...

Guy's ..apart from the "eye's of the law" issues you really are best not attacking any singular brand name...like you they have rights also and some can have "a VERY big bite" ...these sorts of singular attacks ,apart from being risky are also not apropriate from a professional.

Stick to being constructive even through critisism..if there is a brand out there that has hacked you off..that doesnt mean they dont have thousands of very happy customers..its not right or fair for one individuals bad experiance to potentially wreck a good buisness...remimber that in so doing you might just get your "arse bitten" off in the courts.

Be sensible,adult like and professional and you really cant go wrong...likewise follow the rules of the forom from which you are speakng as these guy's also know the potential dangers for you ..thats why they have created the rules...think about it:hug:

 

[Bagpuss]

The thing with NSS is easy....just don't name the salon.....NSS is a term used for unprofessional work....To say there are alot of NSS in the area is fine....to say SALON NAME is a NSS is NOT fine.