Experimenting with nsi

[Mavric01]

Hi guys!
I currently use calgel but have been and brought some nsi products as I am wanting to test other gels strength etc (especially over white tips) Can someone tell me a quick step by step guide to how to use nsi products, including the use of primers etc, thanks very much, look forward to your replys x

 

[geeg]

Hi guys!
I currently use calgel but have been and brought some nsi products as I am wanting to test other gels strength etc (especially over white tips) Can someone tell me a quick step by step guide to how to use nsi products, including the use of primers etc, thanks very much, look forward to your replys x

Please forgive me for singling out this post, but if a company is prepared to sell you their products with no training so that you have to use the salon geek site to beg for basic information I think that is totally irresponsible of the company.

It's not YOUR fault, but shame on the company. Lord knows who they are selling products to.

You should give them a call and ask or take a conversion class ... not use the salon geek site in this way.

I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but it is the way I feel about this. My comments are not directed at you personally.

We are supposed to be professionals and not sell professional use products to those who do not know how to use them or have used other things but never used a particular brand. I think one of the biggest reasons our industry is in the state it is in is because of this practise. I personally as a professional would never use a brand that sold products in this way. MY HUMBLE OPINION.

 

[tracey louise]

do you mean you actually purchased full size products or have you got sample sizes?
when i first went to order from nsi i had to prove i was qualified and who i trained with before i could buy there products so that only professionals who were qualified to use there products could buy them although that was a few years ago so have they changed there policy then?
go to www.nsinails.com and register and you will be able to watch videos that will be much easier for you than to have to read instructions or you can phone them on a free phone number 0500131009
i love using there products and there customer service is second to none so im sure they would be happy to help you.x

 

[Christine81]

when i first went to order from nsi i had to prove i was qualified and who i trained with before i could buy there products so that only professionals who were qualified to use there products could buy them although that was a few years ago so have they changed there policy then?

I did conversion classes (l&p + gel) with them in February and their policy has not changed (at least not NSI Norway) :green:

 

[salpep]

You can order all products from some of the main nail companies, I know NSI and YOUNGS NAILS don't want any proof that you are a professional!

 

[spn01]

Hi guys!
I currently use calgel but have been and brought some nsi products as I am wanting to test other gels strength etc (especially over white tips) Can someone tell me a quick step by step guide to how to use nsi products, including the use of primers etc, thanks very much, look forward to your replys x

Mavric01, Please go back to NSI and ask them to demonstrate for you. It is important to give each gel system a "fair" chance. That includes receiving adequate education of the system and using the correct/recommended UV Lamp for curing. Anything less than this is not really a "test".

 

[tracey louise]

i agree with andrea in that if you dont know how to correctly apply a product then you are not really giving it a fair chance.
i am suprised by nsi as i didnt think anyone could just buy there products

 

[Deena]

I had to order some NSI products for a college course recently <fibreglass kit, as it happens, which I was a little disappointed with> and they sent me some l&p samples. They were very helpful and said they would only supply to those who did their conversion courses. However, I could get any of their products <if I wanted to> from a local wholesaler with no training in their products.

 

[Mrs Geek]

I had to order some NSI products for a college course recently <fibreglass kit, as it happens, which I was a little disappointed with> and they sent me some l&p samples. They were very helpful and said they would only supply to those who did their conversion courses. However, I could get any of their products <if I wanted to> from a local wholesaler with no training in their products.

I logged online with NSI and could purchase anything I wanted from them no questions asked! I did this to 'see' if there were restrictions in place and there weren't! I then got my sister-in-law to do the same just to make sure (she is nothing to do with our industry) and sure enough she could also purchase liquid and powder.

I have never come out and said it until now but since they seem to be naminhg and picking on certain companies, I may as well.... their talk seems to be very cheap when it comes to 'only selling to the professional'... its simply not the case.:smack:

 

[geeg]

I rest my case.

When suppliers stab the professionals who support them in the back by selling to the public ... your clients ... it's time to take the steps that are necessary so that your business is protected by those suppliers with integrity who only sell to professionals.
If we all did this then our industry would be one hell of allot better thought of and respected and in allot better shape than it is now, where every tom, RICHARD and harry IS able to buy pro use only products and join the kitchen mafia doing friends and family.

NO WONDER NO ONE RESPECTS WHAT WE DO.

 

[Mavric01]

Oh dear seems like i have caused a bit of a stink on here with a simple question! I am a qualified nail tech and simply went to a local beauty wholesalers and found some nsi gel, which i have heard talked about on here a fair bit so thought i would buy a few of the products to test the gel against my current gel (calgel) I am especially after a strong, tough gel to wear over white tips. I did ask in the well known beauty wholesalers what products I needed and the lady replied 'too be honest I dont know, i deal with hair and am not in the know of any nail products, but what i can tell you is that if you dont see something here that you want we can order it directly from nsi for you' I would also like to add that i was not asked if i was an account holder, had any proof of qualifications etc. Calgel on the other hand will not supply anyone with their products unless they have trained them in calgel and have an account open with them, I will do some research out of here as to how the nsi works, its not that I want to take on nsi its simply because I wish to experiment with other gels etc to see what the competition is like and also as I have said before it would be nice to find a gel which is that bit stronger than the clear calgel to wear over white tips.

 

[XeLeGaNcEnAiLsX]

Why, oh why do we need to put other companies down just because we don't use their product and they are seen as a competitor and it's an easy chance to have a dig????

As you all seem to be pro S2 (and i also find them very helpful with regards to customer service and deliveries), i opened an account with them not long ago to order some minx products. I was asked to send my certificates over to prove i have been trained in nails but when i sign in on there website it allows me to order anything i like even though i have NOT done ANY training with them whatsoever. This is not a dig at S2 as i think they are a very professional and helpful company but i also think the same about NSI.

I do use NSI products and when i have ordered FULL kits from them i have received a dvd with full instructions and videos of how to use the systems. The person who posted this thread was trained in Calgel so does have gel training. Any reputable company that sells products to professionals only asks that you have training in nails, NOT that you have had training with them.

xxx

 

[geeg]

Oh dear seems like i have caused a bit of a stink on here with a simple question! I am a qualified nail tech and simply went to a local beauty wholesalers and found some nsi gel, which i have heard talked about on here a fair bit so thought i would buy a few of the products to test the gel against my current gel (calgel) I am especially after a strong, tough gel to wear over white tips. I did ask in the well known beauty wholesalers what products I needed and the lady replied 'too be honest I dont know, i deal with hair and am not in the know of any nail products, but what i can tell you is that if you dont see something here that you want we can order it directly from nsi for you' I would also like to add that i was not asked if i was an account holder, had any proof of qualifications etc. Calgel on the other hand will not supply anyone with their products unless they have trained them in calgel and have an account open with them, I will do some research out of here as to how the nsi works, its not that I want to take on nsi its simply because I wish to experiment with other gels etc to see what the competition is like and also as I have said before it would be nice to find a gel which is that bit stronger than the clear calgel to wear over white tips.

But not a gel your customers can also buy right?

You didn't raise a stink at all. It is about time it was highlighted how our industry is being ruined and diluted by products being made available to all and sundry.

For a strong, colour stable beautiful gel that is only sold to professionals by professional look at CND brisa Gels www.sweetsquared.com

AND before you ask you will be required to produce a certificate of competence and you will be required to do a Conversion class using the products and which includes your kit and of course everything you need to safely do nails and to understand the products. Well it only makes sense doesn't it!

 

[Vetty]

Why, oh why do we need to put other companies down just because we don't use their product and they are seen as a competitor and it's an easy chance to have a dig????

As you all seem to be pro S2 (and i also find them very helpful with regards to customer service and deliveries), i opened an account with them not long ago to order some minx products. I was asked to send my certificates over to prove i have been trained in nails but when i sign in on there website it allows me to order anything i like even though i have NOT done ANY training with them whatsoever. This is not a dig at S2 as i think they are a very professional and helpful company but i also think the same about NSI.

I do use NSI products and when i have ordered FULL kits from them i have received a dvd with full instructions and videos of how to use the systems. The person who posted this thread was trained in Calgel so does have gel training. Any reputable company that sells products to professionals only asks that you have training in nails, NOT that you have had training with them.

xxx

It's nothing to with 'competitors' IMO, it's about holding up industry standards. The account you opened with S2 is the same account you are now using on their website so there is no need to further prove your qualifications. If someone unknown to S2 tries to order online they need to go through S2 first in person and proof their training before they get a login. Clever, eh?

FWIW, there are plenty of companies that don't require proof of any training at all let alone training with them and that is what allows your clients to buy products as easily as you can.

 

[XeLeGaNcEnAiLsX]

I can help you with telling you the steps of how to apply nsi gels over white tips but i think it would be better to get training in it if you wanted to go on and offer it to the public.

Prep the nail -push back eponychium, remove all cuticle by applying cuticle remover and scrape away remaining cuticle. Gently file the natural nail to remove all natural nail shine, use a brush to wipe away any filing dust, use nail pure plus saturated on a lint free pad to wipe over nail making sure to get into the sidewalls to dehydrate the nail.

Apply white tip to natural nail with nail glue, cut tip and file to desired length and shape, buff over white tip to remove the shine off the tip (to allow the gel to adhere to the tip), brush away the file dust again and if needed wipe nail again with nail pure plus on a lint free pad. Apply balance bond primer liberally to all nails (just over the natural nail - not on the white tip)

Apply a very thin layer of a nsi builder gel over the whole nail and cure for 2 minutes, do not wipe off tacky layer, then apply another coat (this time a thicker coat to build the apex) then cure again for 2 minutes. This time you need to remove the tacky layer with nsi cleanse on a lint free pad.

Then buff over all the nails and again wipe over nails with nsi cleanse. Then apply a thin layer of Balance finish clear and cure for 90 seconds.

HTH's

xxx

 

[geeg]

Why, oh why do we need to put other companies down just because we don't use their product and they are seen as a competitor and it's an easy chance to have a dig????

As you all seem to be pro S2 (and i also find them very helpful with regards to customer service and deliveries), i opened an account with them not long ago to order some minx products. I was asked to send my certificates over to prove i have been trained in nails but when i sign in on there website it allows me to order anything i like even though i have NOT done ANY training with them whatsoever. This is not a dig at S2 as i think they are a very professional and helpful company but i also think the same about NSI.

I do use NSI products and when i have ordered FULL kits from them i have received a dvd with full instructions and videos of how to use the systems. The person who posted this thread was trained in Calgel so does have gel training. Any reputable company that sells products to professionals only asks that you have training in nails, NOT that you have had training with them.

xxx

No one is making a 'dig' at anyone because they are a competitor. Any digs, as you call it, are because of what some companies (and I have been very general and never mentioned nsi if you would like to read my posts again) are doing to undermine the professionalism of our INDUSTRY. I hope that means something to you.

As vetty explained ... only those with existing ACCOUNTS with S2 can log into the website. No account no access. It took Samuel over a year to make the site so secure that no non professionals can gain access. I thought all customers would understand that, it has been our policy and our culture for 25 freaking years!

As for your last statement ... it is just not true ...

Any reputable company that wants its standards upheld and who wants to support their customers success when they use their products ... TRAINS THEM HOW TO USE THEM FIRST because they CARE about that their customers do well with it.

 

[XeLeGaNcEnAiLsX]

It's nothing to with 'competitors' IMO, it's about holding up industry standards. The account you opened with S2 is the same account you are now using on their website so there is no need to further prove your qualifications. If someone unknown to S2 tries to order online they need to go through S2 first in person and proof their training before they get a login. Clever, eh?

FWIW, there are plenty of companies that don't require proof of any training at all let alone training with them and that is what allows your clients to buy products as easily as you can.

The point i was trying to make is that i have had no training at all in any of CND's products, yet the account i hold with them will allow me to order any of the kits, be it Brisa Gel, Retention+ etc.. without having any training with them. I don't want this to be about who is better between nsi & cnd i was just giving the other side as all the replies seemed to be against how unprofessional nsi were because they sell to people in the industry but have not necessarily had training through them.

I am all for people having training before they even touch a product - it's more fool them if they don't because if they spend all this money on buying the products without training, when it comes to working on paying clients, the end result will be a very poor set of nails, which in turn will mean the client not going back to them! So they have failed before they have even started.

xx

 

[geeg]

The point i was trying to make is that i have had no training at all in any of CND's products, yet the account i hold with them will allow me to order any of the kits, be it Brisa Gel, Retention+ etc.. without having any training with them. I don't want this to be about who is better between nsi & cnd i was just giving the other side as all the replies seemed to be against how unprofessional nsi were because they sell to people in the industry but have not necessarily had training through them.
I am all for people having training before they even touch a product - it's more fool them if they don't because if they spend all this money on buying the products without training, when it comes to working on paying clients, the end result will be a very poor set of nails, which in turn will mean the client not going back to them! So they have failed before they have even started.



xx

I agree and I don't think the thread was talking about who is better CND or nsi? It was talking about NOT THOSE who sell to just those in the industry without training, but those who sell to non professionals without training. It is happening .. it is just plain WRONG of those who are doing it. I don't think we as professionals should support those who do it. I have a right to make that point. I care passionately about my industry and I will do what it takes to stop those who are ruining and undermining it. So should the rest of us. End of.

Also You are incorrect re your account. You only hold a secondary account if you have never done training with CND and can only purchase retail or Minx not the pro products .... even on the site. If I am incorrect about this then we have discovered a loop hole which will be closed asap.

 

[XeLeGaNcEnAiLsX]

No one is making a 'dig' at anyone because they are a competitor. Any digs, as you call it, are because of what some companies (and I have been very general and never mentioned nsi if you would like to read my posts again) are doing to undermine the professionalism of our INDUSTRY. I hope that means something to you.

As vetty explained ... only those with existing ACCOUNTS with S2 can log into the website. No account no access. It took Samuel over a year to make the site so secure that no non professionals can gain access. I thought all customers would understand that, it has been our policy and our culture for 25 freaking years!

As for your last statement ... it is just not true ...

Any reputable company that wants its standards upheld and who wants to support their customers success when they use their products ... TRAINS THEM HOW TO USE THEM FIRST because they CARE about that their customers do well with it.

How is it any different with letting any joe bloggs off the street order products to letting someone who holds an account yet has no training use your products????????? To me that is exactly the same!

 

[Vetty]

How is it any different with letting any joe bloggs off the street order products to letting someone who holds an account yet has no training use your products????????? To me that is exactly the same!

But you can't have a full account with CND/S2 without having CND training...... If you have done nail training but not a CND Foundation or Conversion course you will only have a secondary account which means you can buy manicure products, Minx etc. With no training you can't buy from S2 at all.