Jane Iredale vs Art Deco-opinions, please

[Zooks]

Hi Geeks

I have been looking at taking on a make up range for some time. I still don't intend to commit until the end of the year.

I'd like some help or advise from anyone who has used either range and advise on the salon situation I mention below!

I started off using Art Deco and I do love their products from what I have trialled. I do however find it really frustrating getting a reply from them via email, fab when I call but I don't always have the time. Also as I am in South West Devon they are unable to send a rep which makes it really difficult for me to get a real feel for the brand. The cost price is fab as is the retail price though and they do some fantastic stands.

I recently discovered Jane Irdale, I have only just received my samples, had a little play today and have found it to be fab. I also like the fact that they are recognised by the iiaa. Much more expensive at cost and retail. But they will send a rep out to me and they have been raved about on here.

I am a little stuck between the two but my my main reason for asking is that I plan on taking on Environ at the end of the year and JI is dispatched from the same people which is a plus BUT there is a salon 6 miles away that offers both Environ and JI. I am very taken with the idea of JI. I don't want to be seen to be treading on anyones toes and having Art Deco would make me the only one in the South West (as far as I have found).

What do you think? Sorry for the ramble.

 

[squidgernetball]

As you know, I'm a big JI fan. Because the whole range is mineral based, with all known aggravants removed, I feel I can apply it with confidence after waxing, and for clients with major skin conditions and problems! The products really do work well together If you imagine a salon somewhere like London, a six mile difference is massive. Do you know roughly how many salons there are in your neck of the woods - ie in the same town/village?

 

[Zooks]

Ah I thought you may see this

There are about 7 in the next town, none in mine!

The being able to apply them after waxing or a facial is a massive plus. The whole reason I want to do Evnviron is to increase the amount of facials I do so I guess that's a huge selling point.

I would also like to know specifically how the Art Deco Mineral range compares with JI. As we all know only too well a few brands out there claim to be mineral based and infact they aren't as mineral based as we would have hoped. I don't have this worry with JI.

Thanks Hun

 

[MrsSmith]

I use Jane Iredale and it is fantastic. The products are such good quality they sell themselves. Ok they are not the cheapest but you use so little an amount if you compare it to the cheaper brands it works out cheaper! Let the clients come in and try on the BB cream or another base, when they go away that day and don't have to reapply at all they will be back. Most of my sales come from the events where the makeup artist comes up and does appointments for you. I also find that if a client has been in to have their makeup done for a special occasion they normally come back to buy something as it just stays all day. You won't regret it. IIAA are a great company and offer fantastic customer support x

 

[Zooks]

Thanks Mrs Smith.

Does anyone else have anything to add to this?

Thankyou

 

[MaisyMouse]

Jane iredale and environ have transformed my business, the best thing I ever did was switch from Art Deco to jane iredale. I used Art Deco in the very beginning but wasn't that fussed on it. Now I have jane iredale, I too absolutely love jane iredale and environ and the retail opportunities are huge :Love:

 

[ArtdecoCouture]

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Artdeco is a High Street retail makeup range.

Artdeco has products in their range both decorative and mineral.

Artdeco have minimum orders of £2500

Artdeco do NOT work with many celebrities on your TV screens everyday.

Artdeco's colour palette is similar to others.

Artdeco's magnetised eye shadows have average pigmentation.

Artdeco offers you 30% margin.

In terms of sales, Artdeco is in High Street Retail in Germany.

The Artdeco distributer for the UK is based in Dublin and has been responsible for the brand since December 2015

 

[Bonkers]

Cannot recommend artdeco highly enough the customer service is fantastic and the makeup is just perfect easy to work with and has fab results. The rep was fab that cane out to me too

 

[Becki2003]

I've never used JI before but here's another vote for Artdeco. I have the mineral makeup and think its brilliant. It's used on Corrie, Hollyoaks, Emmerdale etc so it's up there with other pro brands xx

 

[virtues2011]

JANE IREDALE........all the way! I am a little bias to this.... I love the IIAA - excellent company, Environ is amazing skin care and result driven! AND something you can't buy in the high street..to me this is where the likes of Clarins/Elemis etc fail - you can buy their products anywhere including QVC. Surprised Decleor haven't been on there yet....you can buy that pretty much everywhere and every other salon seems to sell it. I'm all for exclusivity and something a little different - this is just me I'm sure..... nothing wrong with any of the other companies though if you like that sort of thing - I'm happy to purchase skin care that is suitable for plastic surgeons and GP's and have amazing before and after pictures.....am I going on...LOL

 

[shedunlop]

I saw the Artdeco rep last week and still haven't calmed down! I was blown away by the vast range of makeup and will be placing an order much larger than I had planned at the end of this week!

The customer service has been excellent from the first contact through to Dee, their rep, who was very patient with me and totally knowledgeable about their products and the industry in general. I can thoroughly recommend them and their products.:wink2:

 

[Zooks]

Somehow I have only just come across the replies on this thread!

There seems to be almost an equal split between the two.

Interesting to see that you can now apply Art Deco straight after a treatment such as waxing or a facial. I do really like Art Deco but feel jI and Environ work well together.

Oh decisions. Anyone else have anything to add?

I know Jane Irdale are running an offer at the minute which is why I searched the thread!

 

[squidgernetball]

All I will add is the following:

When I originally started out in skincare and make up, I used and retailed Virgin Vie and Thalgo. With both brands I was constantly looking round at what else was out there. Since taking on Jane Iredale, I dropped Virgin Vie and just don't look elsewhere. I no longer make comparisons as I truly believe that I have the best make up range for me and my business.

I carried on with Thalgo for some years, and then took the plunge and moved to Environ. I now no longer look at what other skin care is out there.

Yes, the two work extremely well together. You don't have to carry a huge range of anything as delivery is so quick, and if you're ordering one, you can add the other to your order. I'll pm you the details of my open day on Friday. I LOVE these products. I will never use anything else on my skin!!!

 

[ladyh4]

I recently took on Jane Iredale in my salon, and I wish I'd done it years ago!! Products are lovely on all skin types, the training and support you receive are outstanding! I recently had my first make up event which I was terrified about as I had never done anything like it before, I couldn't believe how well it went and the sales were incredible and enabled me to pay for my environ training in a few weeks time. The fact that it can be used after waxing, facials etc is great and when you do your mini makeovers after treatments its a great way of introducing the brand to your clients.:biggrin:

 

[ArtdecoCouture]

I recently took on Jane Iredale in my salon, and I wish I'd done it years ago!! Products are lovely on all skin types, the training and support you receive are outstanding! I recently had my first make up event which I was terrified about as I had never done anything like it before, I couldn't believe how well it went and the sales were incredible and enabled me to pay for my environ training in a few weeks time. The fact that it can be used after waxing, facials etc is great and when you do your mini makeovers after treatments its a great way of introducing the brand to your clients.:biggrin:

 

[virtues2011]

Hi, as both sets of products can be applied after facials & waxing it is hard to decide, both sets of products are good quality, well supported and well manufactured and packaged.

For me the actual differences are twofold:

1. Price, in terms of buying there is no direct comparison, Artdeco don't need offers as the product costs less, sometimes by 70% or 80% because we keep our margins tight, don't waste money on advertising or exhibition stands. We pass the savings onto you 52 weeks of the year, not just to boost our sales. In these trying times your customers appreciate the keen pricing allowing them to make multiple purchases.

2.Fashion, again in terms of pigments, fashion collections tied in with high street fashion there is no comparison. Artdeco is ultra fashionable and prides itself on being able to work the red carpet from start to finish, dealing with all ages not just the mature market. 500 new products a year is unmatchable.

I attach some pictures of the fashion difference in action, our trainers are actual professional celebrity makeup artists and work on our Artdeco Creative Team (ADCreativ) with our Hair creatives and stylists.

ArtdecoMUA xxx

Hi there.

If you are comparing the two brands why do you suggest that Jane iredale is for the mature person? I sell JI to all age groups. .. probably not teenagers as the prices are too high compared to some of the lower end high street shops. With the pictures that have been supported with your post I see nothing that cannot be achieved with Jane iredale make up... regardless if you use actual celebrity make up artists.

I don't see where Jane iredale have loads of offers either. ... if they did I must be missing out on them!


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[squidgernetball]

I'm afraid 500 plus new products a year is a massive turn off for me. So is the fact that they are on the high street.

Jane Iredale mineral make up contains no aggravants such as Bismuth which can affect the skin, making it tingle. I have said it on here before - not all mineral make up is created equal. A very small amount of minerals is needed to be called a mineral make up. If a mineral make up is important to you, make sure you know what you are buying and stocking.

I specialise in skincare, and am happy that I can confidently retail to my clients products that will make them look fab while looking after their skin. The colour range with Jane Iredale is superb, and my clients range from a 14 year old girl with serious skin problems to ladies in their 80's.

 

[ArtdecoCouture]

I'm afraid 500 plus new products a year is a massive turn off for me. So is the fact that they are on the high street.

Jane Iredale mineral make up contains no aggravants such as Bismuth which can affect the skin, making it tingle. I have said it on here before - not all mineral make up is created equal. A very small amount of minerals is needed to be called a mineral make up. If a mineral make up is important to you, make sure you know what you are buying and stocking.

I specialise in skincare, and am happy that I can confidently retail to my clients products that will make them look fab while looking after their skin. The colour range with Jane Iredale is superb, and my clients range from a 14 year old girl with serious skin problems to ladies in their 80's.

Saying that the "High St" is a turn off makes sense.

500 is a lot to have to restock all the time.

 

[Littlegems1]

Saying that the "High St" is a turn off means that you are turned off by the makeup in Vogue, Harpers & Queen, Chanel, Dior, mainstream Movies, Music and TV. However if your customers don't like to look like the images from the world around them within 2014 then that is understandable.

500 hundred new products gives you runway fashion, choice, variety, trends and innovations, all skin tones, higher sales and profit, so again I understand if this is a turn off for you. Artdeco is highly targeted towards the discerning fashion conscious customer who wants proper skin solutions, highly pigmented makeup that stays on at a value driven price. In this Artdeco is exceptional and beyond comparison.

Within the core range mature skins, problem skins and high performance requirements are always catered for.

ArtdecoMUA xxx

Hi

I've used JI for years and it is the best thing I've used on my skin.

The salon that I freelance at is a stockist along with environ and to be honest, we all make a killing with these products.

I've never used Art Deco so cannot comment on the quality or preference etc.

What I will add is what is your clients looking for in a make up brand?

Like a previous posted we also have a huge age range between the ages of our clients that purchase JI which ranges from a few teenagers with problematic skin to our oaps.

Personally I have never had a client come in asking for the latest trend,the latest catwalk or vogue make up. The exception being when I was working in department store, only then would a client ask what the latest trend was.

I have found that clients that come to our salons for makeup consultations are usually asking what will suit them colour and texture wise, and also something natural everyday that they can achieve at home.
Alternatively when they come in for an evening look I'm always asked for natural but with a smokey eye lol.

I think that my clients will be willing to change their lipstick colour per trend/ season but not there whole look, with the exception of summer/winter colours.

Some fab replies already, it may also be worth asking your current clients what they look for when buying makeup.

 

[squidgernetball]

Saying that the "High St" is a turn off means that you are turned off by the makeup in Vogue, Harpers & Queen, Chanel, Dior, mainstream Movies, Music and TV. However if your customers don't like to look like the images from the world around them within 2014 then that is understandable.

500 hundred new products gives you runway fashion, choice, variety, trends and innovations, all skin tones, higher sales and profit, so again I understand if this is a turn off for you. Artdeco is highly targeted towards the discerning fashion conscious customer who wants proper skin solutions, highly pigmented makeup that stays on at a value driven price. In this Artdeco is exceptional and beyond comparison.

Within the core range mature skins, problem skins and high performance requirements are always catered for.

ArtdecoMUA xxx

My point was that the availability on the high street of Artdeco products means less salon exclusivity. Nothing to do with the fashions on the high street. For a small business, 500 plus products is a massive turn off. So a client comes in, and I don't stock the whole range, but the department store up the road does. Customer lost!

The OP has asked for views on the different ranges, so I am giving my view. I invested a lot of money to take on Jane Iredale, so really did my homework and am speaking as someone who has been working with and retailing the products for many years. With the greatest respect, your view may be slightly biased in favour of Artdeco if you work for the company!

Vicki x