Lifting nails (gel)

[Miss Sylk]

Just read the thread on page 2 that someone is having problems with lifting with NSI acrylic.

Would this be the same answers for me with Acrygel (gel)?

I however do not use scrub fresh and am considering it. I have read the Prep tutorial on here and a lot of products were used in the prep that i dont have and have never been told to or suggested to use in any salon ive worked in. I used only my tool, sanitiser spray and prep pen (acrygel item). The lifting happens within a week of application.

So as for tools etc is that where my problem lies or is it in my actual work with the tool?

Any help much appreciated as i feel the only answers i have got so far is to get training, which i am waiting to hear back from Michelle Porter about. I dont want to do a full nail course again, so i just need a quick 121 trouble shooting session, hope someone can do this for me as its quite hard to find troubleshooting classes, for gel, with same or similar system, near where i live and thats affordable!!

xx

 

[sparkle]

Hi
Wonder if anyone can help. I am having problems with gel that appears to be shrinking from the edge of the nail and then lifting? After reading some comments I did not realise gel had to be stirred?

The other problem is if the primer freezes is it okay once thawed. As I am mobile and based in a salon I need to carry products about and finding it hard to stop things freezing or becoming very cold. Wondering if it affects the gel also. Do a few acrylics wonder if they are affected.

Look forward to hearing from you all:|

 

[sparkle]

Can someone please advise me on this. After researching there seems to be either gel on top of nail polish or done through coloured gel and then Biosculpt gel. Have had a lot of clients asking about this and would like to offer it:|

 

[Bunz]

You should always use a prep product such as Scrubfresh (Creative), Nailpureplus (NSI) or what every goes with your specific product line, to sanitise and dehydrate the nails for a pathogen free surface and maximum adhesion of your extensions.

 

[Miss Sylk]

I use the primer from my range, thats all they have in that range to prep with.

About gel on top of varnish. I a having a problem with that too. Sometimes it cracks, on impact then if i press and crack it more (imagine a frozen lake) it can, with force, be rubbed off the nail, revealing a gooey nail varnish underneath. I would think that that means the nail varnish was not properly dry when applying the gel, but ive left it over 20 mins to dry?

 

[chellesbelles]

Hi

With acrygel...their finishing wipe liquid is a dual purpose dehydrator and sticky residue remover, Was this not explained in your training? You will find it with the acrygel products in any wholesalers that stock it. I've aslo used my NSI nail pure plus with Acrygel and I have had no probs with that.

Chelle

 

[Envy]

About gel on top of varnish. I a having a problem with that too. Sometimes it cracks, on impact then if i press and crack it more (imagine a frozen lake) it can, with force, be rubbed off the nail, revealing a gooey nail varnish underneath. I would think that that means the nail varnish was not properly dry when applying the gel, but ive left it over 20 mins to dry?

Nail polish can take a full 12 hours to cure - many are touch try within 2-10 minutes, so even though you are leaving it 20 there is still hours until this is truly cured completely.

Polish relies on an evaporation process whereby the solvents that keep the polish fluid evap leaving behind the resins to bond and cure. By capping this with a gel top coat you are effectivey stopping the polish from being able to cure.

There are some UV top coats that are apparently very good over polish, but a full gel top coat is most likely never going to work well for you until the polish is fully cured.

 

[Envy]

Hi
Wonder if anyone can help. I am having problems with gel that appears to be shrinking from the edge of the nail and then lifting? After reading some comments I did not realise gel had to be stirred?

The other problem is if the primer freezes is it okay once thawed. As I am mobile and based in a salon I need to carry products about and finding it hard to stop things freezing or becoming very cold. Wondering if it affects the gel also. Do a few acrylics wonder if they are affected.

Look forward to hearing from you all:|

Hi Sparkle, you should really start a new thread when proposing a new question - this will ensure you actually get acurate answers and your question gets seen by those that can answer

But here's answers to the above

Gel shrinking - gel does shrink, traditionally as much as 20% - if the prepared surface is not perfect this will exagerate the problem, lifting will really be down to prep and application rather than the shrinking.
- stirring the pot won't really help or stop the above, it's done more to ensure even distribution of the colour pigment.

Temperature will most definatly affect products, but each in different ways, frozen primer should be fine once thawed. All nail products are rated to work optimally at room temperature, anything less or more can throw the process out. I would suggest for mobile using a 'chilly bin' (portable ice box) don't add the ice blocks of course and they will keep a stable temperature - if loaded in a warm room then they stay warm.

 

[LadyFinger7]

There is a primer pen, but Acrygel also has products called Sani-Spray (which would be like scrub fresh - a nail cleanser) and Finishing Wipe to remove the sticky residue as well as clean your gel brush. I have always used these with Acrygel and had no problems. As long as the nail plate is thoroughly cleansed, your all good. ANY residue will cause lifting.

I've actually heard from a tech using it that china glazes UV top (in the white package) coat will work without cracking over polish - haven't tried it myself though but I have a bottle and am curious to try..

When I've done enhancements on someone's nails and then use polish, the only issue is usually the fading of the shininesss or a little fading on the free edge, which can be fixed by having the client re apply top coat by themselves. I barely ever have issues with polish coming off on enhancement clients, the enhancement is hard and mostly inflexible like the polish. It's the natural nails that are trickier to keep polish on.

Howevor, I have also heard an idea from another tech of putting polish on a client, then having then come back the next day when the polish is totally dry to quickly 'beach proof' their nails by adding the UV Top Coat then. I've done this myself and you really must make sure to cap the free edge because otherwise (I'm not sure with all UV Top Coats) I've found the polish itself will creep up the nail plate with the gel!

 

[Envy]

Howevor, I have also heard an idea from another tech of putting polish on a client, then having then come back the next day when the polish is totally dry to quickly 'beach proof' their nails by adding the UV Top Coat then. I've done this myself and you really must make sure to cap the free edge because otherwise (I'm not sure with all UV Top Coats) I've found the polish itself will creep up the nail plate with the gel!

This is one of Heather's tricks 'beach proof' top coat, and in that instance we are talking a full gel top coat.

For the peeps, I would like to clarify that there is a big difference between a 'gel' and a uv top coat. One is nail polish top coat that uses uv light to cure.
The other (gel) is actualy a methacrylate (acrylic) product that uses UV to solidify into a hard polymer structure

hth's